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Speedy deletion declined: Crispulo Aguinaldo

Hello MLauba, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Crispulo Aguinaldo - a page you tagged - because: The original article is available under a free license. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Closedmouth (talk) 13:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Closedmouth. I'm not on NC patrol, I'm working on WP:SCV. As I indicated on Talk:Crispulo Aguinaldo, GFDL-only text is no longer a legal free license since the switch to dual licensing on June 16th. I leave it open to you to review your judgement, or, if the guidelines described at WP:Licensing update#Content restrictions aren't clear, to place the {{copyvio}} template on the page and list it at WP:CP for proper handling. MLauba (talk) 14:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Urgh, damn, that confuses things. I'm going to bed now, I'll have a proper look at this tomorrow if it hasn't been resolved by then. --Closedmouth (talk) 14:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Meh, deleted after a review of the new(ish) copyright terms. Oh well. --Closedmouth (talk) 12:36, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

J'ai une question..

Votre abilité pour la langue est très impressionante. Comment se fait-il que vous ne contribuez qu'au Wikipédia en anglais? Merci d'avance, et bonne soirée à toi :) decltype (talk) 14:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

En fait je ne sais pas vraiment, j'ai commencé ici simplement parce que j'ai vu 1-2 éléments à corriger sur un article, et maintenant une partie des fonctions disponibles sur en me manquent sur fr donc cela me freine. En allemand, je suis assez bon pour traduire de DE à EN mais ma grammaire est horrible :)

And to page lurkers, decltype asked why I was only contributing to en.wikipedia, and I answered that I started here and got used to the tools + templates of en, so that when they are different or missing on fr, it irritates me. As for German, I'm OK with translating stuff from de to en, but writing in German is nono, my German grammar is horrible (I'm Swiss German, and that's quite a bit different) :)MLauba (talk) 15:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I see — thanks for answering. I wish I could speak French like you :) decltype (talk) 15:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Growing up in a French-speaking area helps, I deserve no credit for a choice my parents made before I was born. Your French is great too BTW. ;) MLauba (talk) 15:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

No, I had a friend translate it for me :) decltype (talk) 19:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Ha! Allow me to blow a big raspberry at the French Wikipedia and gloat over our victory! Score! :D (P.S. Please forgive. I so need some levity today. :)) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Levity is what you need? I have some Levity right here. MLauba (talk) 07:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. :D Laughter is good, and I am (as it happens) rather easily amused. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 10:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Deleting History

Hello MLauba,

I recieved a notice to delete copyright violations out of the history of the Page Bond Gallery page. I cannot figure out how to delete things from the history. Simply clicking "undo" won't undo a single post and clearing out the text from a post clears the whole page. I would love to delete the material in question, but I don't understand how. Thanks SEIrvin —Preceding unsigned comment added by SEIrvin (talk • contribs) 13:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi there,

That action requires an admin, nothing you need to be worried about yourself. Cheers, MLauba (talk) 15:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Integrity
		I hereby award you this barnstar for primarily your continued civility to editors with copyright issues, and also looking through your editing history the sheer amount of contribution that you are giving to Wikipedia. If I can be of any assistance in the future please don't hesitate to ask. ^Khukri 09:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. I suspect you'll run into a couple additional G12s from me from time to time :) MLauba (talk) 09:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Template

Hi. I added a parameter to automatically include the article title in your User:MLauba/tcclean. I also dropped a usage note at the bottom. You can see it in action at [1]. Would you mind delinking your talk so that we can use it, too? :D If you do, we can always create our own, of course, but it was just a kind of utilitarian thought. Oh, and I can have it sign automatically if you want. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I think I managed to do it right. Just careful because it relies on the other subtemplate I made, User:MLauba/ifhelp (in case you want to move it into template space). I'd suggest substing that one for good in the template if this is meant to end up in template. MLauba (talk) 18:22, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Would not move it without your permission. :) It worked just fine! Once I remembered to substitute it. Good job! --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Spring cleaning

Thanks very much - it's greatly appreciated. Just to warn you - there will be some more coming down the pike in the next couple of days. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Another barnstar for you!

		The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar
		For your hard work at Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations. (You need to slow down though, there's no articles left for me!) ;-) The leftorium 14:12, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

That's my revenge because a couple of days, you cleared off one item I was finishing listing :) No seriously, if the backlog is manageable, it's mostly because you've joined. MLauba (talk) 15:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the barnstar. :) The leftorium 15:54, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

You are now an administrator

Congratulations, I have just closed your RfA as successful and made you an administrator. Take a look at the administrators' how-to guide and the administrators' reading list if you haven't read those already. Also, the practice exercises at the new admin school may be useful. If you have any questions, get in touch on my talk page. WJBscribe (talk) 11:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

My hearty congratulations. I'm sure it goes without saying that I am available should you need feedback or assistance. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:54, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! :-D The leftorium 11:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! -- you are now an administrator... And my deepest sympathies -- you are now an administrator. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 12:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

LOL! It's so true. :D --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Willkommen! Bienvenue! Welcome!

Fremder, etranger, stranger.

Glücklich zu sehen, Je suis enchanté, Happy to see you,

Bleibe, reste, stay! - Dank (push to talk) 12:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations MLauba, you have truly earned it. If you need any help with your new tools, feel free to ask me at any time. Regards So Why 14:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks all for your encouragements and your support, of course to Moonriddengirl and SoWhy for the nom but also for the votes. I know that thankspam has fallen into disgrace and thus I won't turn to that, but all to supporters, Collectonian and RegentsPark, your questions, thoughtful comments, remarks and feedback all give me food for thought. I'll endeavour to continue serving the project to the best of my abilities and make only prudent use of these new buttons.

Oh, and I guess I'll have to filch the "Copyvio admin talk header" from MRG and write a complete set of recall rules before I do much else ;)

Congrats and good luck in your new position! Feel free to ping me on my talk page if you ever need any help. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 15:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll add my congratulations as well. I'd offer my assistance too, but I strongly doubt that you'll need it :) Regards, decltype (talk) 02:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

The Perfects page deletion

Hi this is Ric Peters who is The Perfects. I created user name Opalsuns last night to update the Chris Vrenna page to include my band in the credits since he's just completed a remix and you deleted the page I put up with info on the band. I own the copyright to the name, website and all the music for The Perfects. Going to repost it now. Please feel free to contact me direct at ric.jay.peters@gmail.com thanks.

Best,

Ric Peters~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Opalsuns (talk • contribs) 02:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Midsteel Pipeline Limited

Can you close that discussion as well? Thanks. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 14:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Done MLauba (talk) 14:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Updated my article but still many issues.

i got ure note on how to rewrite my article but after i wrote it mysef and did all the reasearch it still won't work. can u help me fix them this is my first time and i'm writing about a dear prof. of mine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cametoparty (talk • contribs) 19:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Assuming you're talking about Mona El-Saghir, this article's current problem is that it lacks focus. If it's El-Saghir's biography, there's too much information about the State Censors and many other things that only indirectly relate to her because she works there. Accordingly, all reliable sources you will need to verify and support her biography should relate to her and her role, the two I just skimmed through don't even mention her.

Alternatively, if you want to write about the State Censors, the article contains too much biographical information about El-Saghir, and the reliable sources need to support what you're writing about the state censors.

If instead you are talking about Raafat El Mihi, the article was deleted because it was a straight copy / paste of a copyrighted source. In order to create a viable article on that person, you should read from several different sources discussing his life and his achievements, and create a synthesis of these different sources in your own words. The best and safest way to do that is to act as if the copy / paste function had never been invented in the first place.

In any case, the article needs to satisfy several criteria for inclusion, these are all summarized in WP:FIRST, a document that contains valuable pointers to help you write your first article.

If you need more help, you can also ask at the New contributors' help page. Good luck! MLauba (talk) 21:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanx for your time

hey,

thanx for your time. I'm talking about Mona's article and all the arabic and italian and the french source have parts of these information , the only article that doesn't is the one with the minister and I'm citing that for the relaunch. the reason why the two are so closely related is that all the papers and all the directors and writers see her as the reason for change and because she is a liberal. i do not wish to write about the censors because I'm writing a career bibliography if you will. i will add about her education next i meet with her but for now all the articles are in famous egyptian newspapers and they're mostly about her , one of them has even her name in the title , more than about the censors and every information is in the articles . Please help,

Many thanx

RSVP —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cametoparty (talk • contribs) 00:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

D. L. Geary Brewing Company

Any particular reasons you moved the cite tag back into the article body instead of leaving it quite nicely in the {{Reflist}}? I find the old way to render the wikitext quite unreadable after a while. Just wondering. MLauba (talk) 10:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of Help:Footnotes#List-defined_references. I was just doing a quick tidy up, and I hadn't seen that usage before. I'm reading the notes on it now, and I'm still unclear on its usage. When would it be used? Would it be when there are multiple cites of one book, but to different page numbers? SilkTork *^YES! 13:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

PS - I'm aware of a blue box above with instructions for your talk page. I'm afraid I haven't read it all so forgive me if I've not followed your procedure. I'm not consistent with talkpage methodology, though I do find that posting on someone's talkpage rather than my own is the most effective way of communicating with that person. I tend to copy and past threads just to keep it all together. SilkTork *^YES! 13:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

No worries, the edit notice is mostly about common queries related to copyvio work I do :)

Regarding the changes to the Reflist template, I found out in the Signpost a while ago, and found their argument quite persuasive. When working on a large article, it can become difficult to keep track of the cites and the wikitext unreadable after a while. When I read that, I thought immediately that this was a real plus and just started using it out of convenience. ;) MLauba (talk) 14:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

responded

MLauba, I was pretty tired when I responded last night. I hope you won't take any heat in the response as lessening the legitimacy (or, possible legitimacy) of the behavioral problem so described in the message. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 00:16, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Andrew Warde

I beleve you should give this one another look. As WP:Copyright FAQ states, works published before 1923 are presumed to be in the public domain under US law, and there is no indication this book was published or copyrighted anywhere but the US. Moreover, the book is listed in the Internet Archive, generally a reliable reference, as having an expired copyright[2]. As I noted in my removal of the speedy notice, the possible copyright claims would be complex, not self-evident; this would not be an unambiguous copyright violation, and therefore is not suitable for speedy deletion. If you believe the public domain claim is not valid, the article should have been subject to the (non-speedy) process for evaluating possible copyright violations. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 14:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing this question. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 16:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Left a message

Hi, ML. Thanks for stepping in to help out at WP:CP. (Your Rfa passed none too soon and we could use a few more like that. TheLeftorium should be ready to go in December, but keep your eyes peeled for others with an interest.) I left a reply at Mrg's talk page concerning your talk about OTRS permissions. Please don't hesitate to drop me a note if you have any other questions -- I am at a computer and will be checking in. Good luck. — CactusWriter | ^needles 09:27, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

MoReq2

Thank you for tagging the MoReq2 article with "WikiProject Computing" and "WikiProject Computer Science".

I don't think the latter is appropriate. Will someone else just delete that?

The former may be appropriate, possibly. Regardless of that, I'd like to do my bit in raising standards. As you must know. Could you please tell me which of the quality standard criteria need attention to raise it from Start-Class to B or A?

Thank you

MMGarth (talk) 13:27, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

If it isn't appropriate, just remove the {{WikiProject Computer Science}} - or follow the link to the project's talk page and ask them if they believe it should stay in scope or not.

For article standards, each Wikiproject has slightly different takes on the standards depending on their specific needs. For Computing, these can be found at WP:WikiProject Computing/Assessment along with the place to list these for review. As a matter of principle, new articles are listed as Stub or Start classes with unknown importance, and the WikiProjects then handle the evaluation process. --MLauba (talk) 14:05, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Ta. MMGarth (talk) 14:53, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Editnotice

Hi MLauba. Is it okay if I use the text at the top of you user page (the part that starts with "I attempt to keep conversations in one location") in my editnotice? The leftorium 20:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Considering I wasn't even polite enough to ask Moonriddengirl when I took it from her, yes, you can :) MLauba (talk) 21:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. I'll give credit to her in a hidden note then. :) The leftorium 22:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Royal Melbourne Philharmonic

You deleted Royal Melbourne Philharmonic (RMP) as a copyvio and Royal Melbourne Philharmonic as a redirect to a page which no longer existed. Before Royal Melbourne Philharmonic was turned into a redirect to the other article, I had edited the article (which someone else had created) to remove copyvio text and establish notability. Could you please restore the version of Royal Melbourne Philharmonic before it was turned into a redirect? -- Eastmain (talk) 01:42, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Discussion and history of this can be found at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian music#Royal Melbourne Philharmonic (RMP) and Royal Melbourne Philharmonic --Mike (talk) 02:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Responded there, sorry for the oversight. MLauba (talk) 09:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

U Roberto (Robin) Romano

Dear MLauba,

may I ask why you deleted this posting?

I have Mr. Romano's authorization to post the information, as well as the authorization from "Faces of Freedom", "Rugmark/Goodweave" and all other mentioned organizations. How do I best provide you/Wikipedia with proof of authorizations? Please let me know how to best go about re-instating this article swiftly?

Below, I am repasting the original article: (copyright violation deleted) Best regards, Jcowing61 (talk) 19:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

As has been indicated, we cannot keep copyrighted text on display on Wikipedia unless permission has been obtained, that's why the article has been deleted. Repasting it here is most definitely not a good idea and I must caution you against doing it again.

In order to solve this, please follow the instructions described at WP:PERMISSION, and do not re-create the articles yourself, they will be undeleted by another admin once permission is duly verified.

Regards, MLauba (talk) 22:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Action requested

Dear administrator; I read an article Islamic Emirate of Waziristan related to Waziristan, Paksitan. It is written that this is an organization but no such organization exists, althoug ther are others. From where does the name Islamic emirate of waziristan come from?? If it is a group as mentioned then no group ever used this name. It is not mentioned in any sources out of the ones provided. The name should be changed or merged with Waziristan. It also wrongly points to other language articles on waziristan (arabic eg) which is not correct as the original article Waziristan also points to the same. Despite lot of time after this objection and no proof provided from any source, the name of the article has not been changed or merged with the original article on waziristan. I request administrators to take action.

I write to you because no decision has been taken since long time even though this has been discussed on the discussion page.

Salman--91.172.125.141 (talk) 15:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello,

There is actually no administrative action that can be taken here. Administrators implement community consensus, and not only does there appear to be no consensus on this topic at all, the discussion also appears to have been totally stale for two years.

I suggest you re-start the discussion on that article's talk page and build a consensus among editors there.

Regards, MLauba (talk) 16:17, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Teacher Plus (Magazine)

Hi,

This is Divya from Teacher Plus. I have rewritten the article for Teacher Plus Magazine and I would like someone from Wikipedia to help me with updating it. Do let me know how I should go about updating the article.

Thanks & Regards, Divya Divyateacherplus (talk) 07:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

If you have rewritten the article from scratch, you can now place it on this temporary subpage. Otherwise, if you have followed the steps described at WP:PERMISSION, just be patient, the volunteers handling the mail system will process it soon. Regards, MLauba (talk) 09:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Name Change?

I have a username registered on Wikipedia that I don't want associated with that username anymore. Can I change the name? Thanks. --173.49.79.197 (talk) 23:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Please see Wikipedia:Username#Changing your username. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

On poor timing

Gaaah! I've been wanting to nominate you for adminship for a while, but have been kept so busy with arbitration in the past month that I didn't even notice your RfA come and pass! Well, consider this a combination belated support and congratulations. :-) — Coren ^(talk) 12:33, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the endorsement. I was fortunate to be encouraged and nominated by two of Wikipedia's finest, so it's all for the best :) MLauba (talk) 22:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I thought I nominated you...oh wait...you mean I'm one of those finest? Now I feel all flattered and warm and fuzzy and stuff

So Why 22:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Happy Halloween

Happy Halloween from a Moonriddengirl to a very valued colleague.

I am particularly fond of this holiday, and I am particularly grateful for you. I'm so glad you came into the Wikipedia world of copyrights. I can't remember how we got along without you. :) (It will not hurt my feelings if you want to get rid of the shiny Halloween image, though I loved it when I stumbled across it. :D I hope the "card" renders well on your page, because I don't usually make these things for myself.)--Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:18, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

You're kidding, it looks terrific and I just added it to my awards section. Thank you so much for this and everything else. The way you watch over all things copyright is a huge motivator, to know that one can be at it for years and still keep going, with a smile and always a friendly communication, that's an energy which is truly inspiring and just outright awesome. COPYCLEAN holds together just by the sheer strength of your example, day after day. MLauba (talk) 22:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Panola, Texas

I just wanted to let you know that I have been contributing to Wikipedia for over five years. I did NOT copy and paste an articles from the Handbook of Texas. The bot generated tag posted on the Panola, Texas page less than a minute after I posted stated that "If CorenSearchBot is in error: Simply note so on this article's discussion page." I thought that after I explained why the page was not copyright infringement, I could remove the tag. I'm in no way used to getting these kinds of tags on pages that I have created or heavily contributed to. I wasn't trying to get into an edit war or anything like that. Since I have been accused of copying and pasting this article when my intention was just to add content to Wikipedia about this community, I will remove it from my watchlist and make sure that I never edit it again. --Acntx (talk) 12:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC).

The sentences I deleted from the article were, intentionally or not, verbatim copies of both handbook pages you referenced. I don't know how this came to be, but in case you actually do prepare articles by copying things into an edit window and then reviewing (or paraphrasing these), I have to advise against that practice. Very often, the editor who does this ends up being totally convinced that he removed any trace of the source, in complete good faith.

However, to the later reviewer, the source is still apparent, clear as day. This is what leads to WP:Close paraphrasing, which remains a copyvio that needs to be removed.

In such circumstances, I've found that the best course of action is to behave as if the copy / paste function did not exist in the first place, and to synthesize content from several independent sources into your own words. MLauba (talk) 12:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

"I don't know how this came to be, but in case you actually do prepare articles by copying things into an edit window and then reviewing (or paraphrasing these), I have to advise against that practice." Again, this is not something I do or have done in the past. My goal was to tell the reader about this small community and my intentions were good. --Acntx (talk) 15:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC).

Prime transport limited

I had posted my company details on Wikipedia last week, which you have deleted. I am not very good using web like yourself, or at this web site, but would like you to please tell me what is required to keep is viewable. I am officially authorized to use the name and all material used by me in posting the information on Wikipedia.

Muntaqil (talk) 19:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC) Dawood KHAN Muntaqil (talk) 19:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC) Ref: "Prime transport limited" ‎ (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: http://www.ptl.com.pk/company_history.html also G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

First, you need to take care of the copyright issue by following the instructions at WP:PERMISSION. Once this is cleared, the article will be restored. Your next issue is the promotional nature of the text - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an extention of your marketing organization. As such, all contents of the article must be backed by multiple independent third party reliable sources and conform to a neutral point of view. MLauba (talk) 22:01, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

hi there!

Thanks for the message on my page. How's the mop going? ;) A8 UDI 13:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Busy, busy. Pity I got the broom + pepper spray version due to cost reductions instead of the mop + flamethrower, I could have used heavier tools :) MLauba (talk) 13:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

haha, I'm sure you'll do great things regardless. A8 UDI 17:42, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Betty Skelton Erde

Thanks for the extension. I actually finished editing it yesterday, but I'll let MRG review it before posting. Mgreason (talk) 14:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

No bother at all. MLauba (talk) 14:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

What's your thoughts on this comment of mine? If you choose to respond, please do so on the talk page. Royal broil 00:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Devonshire House Preparatory School article

Hello,

Many thanks with your help editing the Devonshire House Preparatory School article. Please let us know if the article needs any further improvements to make it acceptable. Hope I've left this message in the right place.

All the best

UnionSquare 16:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThornhillSquare (talk • contribs)

Responded at the article's talk page. However, the "us" you used here appears to imply that you're connected or acting as an agent of the school, in that case I'm obligated to warn you about editing under a conflict of interests, which is not recommended. MLauba (talk) 16:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for all your help to make this article better. I have added coverage of charity activities in India. Does this helps? I have also tightened up the citations as well. I can confirm that I am not acting as an agent for the school. I am simply a parent of a child at Devonshire house. When I refer to us I mean several other parents. Is the article acceptable now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.80.176 (talk) 21:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Jokes (film)

MLauba, thanks for making me aware about copyright infringement on Wikipedia. I am a fairly new user to editing Wikipedia, but find it very rewarding. I had made this Jokes page fairly quickly as a draft (and was planning to rewrite soon after) and had not realized there are spaces to do so without posting it on the main site. Regardless, I apologize about the copyright issue. I am currently working to create scholarly entries on Harmony Korine and his films. Much of the information I use comes from the Harmony Korine fansite. As a member of their forums, I'm currently working on gaining permission to use text/images from their site. If I succeed I will notify you here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Endlessmug (talk • contribs) 16:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome again, although I see your contributions do go back as far as 2005, making you a much longer user than me.

In reference to the Jokes article, as well as for instance the Fight Harm article that I had clear more copyrighted content from, please understand that copyrighted text is not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia without permission, not even userspace.

I've found that the safest route for any addition is to act as if the copy / paste function had never been invented in the first place, and to synthesize several independent sources into your own words. That way, you will also be able to avoid WP:Close paraphrasing, which happens when you start with a copy / paste and simply try to reword it a bit (which remains a copyright violation)

If you can obtain permission, WP:PERMISSION is the guideline that explains exactly how the process works and where to send it.

That being said, I also must caution you about using material from fan sites (even with permission), as these generally do not meet our criteria for reliable independent third party sources and cannot serve as factual verification for an article.

It is my fear that articles built around such content may pass the copyright hurdle only to find itself to be challenged for deletion on other grounds.

Hope this helps. Best, MLauba (talk) 17:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Although my contributions do go back to 2005, they were mostly minor, so I still consider myself relatively new to Wikipedia. Again, from now on I know not to copy-paste ever - I realize the legal issues involved. In terms of the fan-site as a reliable source, most of the material used is sourced from published articles/journals (see http://www.harmony-korine.com/paper/text/int_hk.html). I would consider these primary sources reliable and factually correct. I also consider myself somewhat of a Korine scholar. I own books/journals/essays published on him, have seen all his films, and am well versed in whats factual about Korine and what is not. I plan on using all this information to write solid articles on Korine and his films. Again, I apologize about the copy-paste. I was in a rush the other day and wasn't thinking. Each article contribution from now on will be legal and in my own words.Endlessmug (talk) 17:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I just recreated the Jokes page and made it a very basic, one-sentance summary. I wanted to have at least a basic page for people to edit. Endlessmug (talk) 20:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Re-creating an article

Dear MLauba,

Thank you for your comments. I started to create the deleted article again by describing the content in other words. I also started a new Talk page (noticed the talk page guidelines only after I had saved the article :( Please inform me about the next steps if my approach is wrong.

Samtuke (talk) 13:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

La solidaridad

Hi. I've restored what I believe to be the clean part of this history of this article underneath your new stub (the clean part has its own issues). My notes at CP are not as complete as they once were. I got so used to being the only administrator working there that I've probably lapsed into shorthand and some dangerous assumptions. :/ Sorry! This particular article was part of the clean-up of User:Jakosalem and his socks.

One tip I would offer: even when I am planning to create a new stub, I will typically move the article I'm deleting to a subpage. I have more than once encountered articles that have required deleting certain edits only, and even when the bulk of history was deleted before, it can be complex figuring out what to restore. I didn't stumble onto this until well after I'd started working CP, and it would have saved me a lot of time and headaches!

Meanwhile, I have a question about SCV, which I'm working this morning. :) (We've flipped jobs! Fine by me. A change is good.) The ones that I'm blanking, I'm not relisting, because they're already at CP. I'm thinking about collecting them when the day is complete so they're more visible. The header at SCV still says they should be listed at CP...but they already are. What should we do about those? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:00, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, it was? Well, by all means, delete it again, then. Sorry for second-guessing you. I feared I'd messed up by not explaining. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

No biggie :) Your advice about moving to /Deleted revisions is a good one, I've started applying it but not consistently enough ;) In this case, I deleted, then looked at the talk page before G8ing it, realized it was High Importance to the WikiProject, and started writing the stub. That's how it all came together :)

For SCV, not sure what you mean? I would routinely manually relist whatever goes to CP under that day's manual taggings, even if I'm working on the November 4th list, for clarity's sake. Having the SCV day transcluded on CP, at least in my mind, is only there as a safety net should the backlog mount to unmanageable proportions / to have a quick sanity check to see if any previously deleted articles have been recreated as vios. I still see both listings as independent, in the "old" sense. But not sure I got your question :) MLauba (talk) 14:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, we haven't really discussed how SCV is going to be handled at CP. I take your point, but I suppose I had seen it somewhat differently. My thought was that while SCV will typically be primarily addressed by those who work that board, the collected listing will be reviewed by an admin when the day comes due. At that point, the ones that have been blanked can be addressed. There's the additional complication that if they marked as relisted, the reviewing admin probably should check to see if they actually were relisted before closing the day. I'm not sure how I think this should best be handled. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, got you now. Good idea. I like it. We'll have to amend the instructions at both pages for that, though, because I believe Theleftorium (and probably The Earwig too) still relist manually the old way. But I buy the notion, let's do it. MLauba (talk) 14:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay. :) Do you want to do it, or do you want me to? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Ladies first :D I'm a bit busy right now and can't really focus my full attention on that for probably a couple of hours (men and multitasking, you now...) but might otherwise give it a stab this evening.

On an unrelated note, could you check Raj jain on today's CP listing? I still think it's fishy but I'm a bit tired and probably seeing things. MLauba (talk) 14:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

All right on both accounts. Second first. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, I haven't relisted any articles since the "new SCV page" was created. I've just added the {{subst:SCV|relist}} under the article (that's why I made this change to the template before). :) The leftorium 14:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

So it seems like we're already part way there. :) I'll address the instructions and the other volunteers. And I've finished the second matter--found a few pasted sentences. Permission would be plausible, since he cleared the image, but I've cleaned them out. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Follow up: Betty Skelton Erde

Knowing you're a very busy guy, would you mind if you get a chance checking the new article against the problems listed at the talk? I ran it through the plagiarism checker I use, but it's a fairly clumsy instrument and I would appreciate other eyes in final review. I've been working with Mgreason for over six months now, and at some point soon I'm going to want to see if he's good for flying solo (when I've completed the multiple article listing). But at this point, I can't really view myself as entirely neutral on the question. :) (Hard to work with somebody on a project for over six months and remain "uninvolved"!) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Will do either tonight or tomorrow. I'm probably using the same plagiarism checker as you are, though, I'm sure I bookmarked it after you mentioned it to Quadell on your talk page. MLauba (talk) 16:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, I haven't yet checked the sources you identified specifically but I've run the entire text against 3 different plagiarism checkers and they've all come back clean with the exception of one sentence that was present in the search engine caches from the old version of the article. I'll verify the specific texts tomorrow. MLauba (talk) 23:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I do appreciate the fresh eyes. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 23:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I've now reviewed the sources you listed, and while a couple of sentences are by necessity a tad close, I don't see them as being actionable. The only one bit I'm still a tad uncomfortable with is the half sentence and preferred model airplanes over dolls, but that's really too short to bother. MLauba (talk) 09:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Barbara Buchholz Artikel

Hallo,

sorry für die Pause, ich bin im Moment unterwegs und Land unter mit meinem Projekt www.minispaceworld.com,

Da ich in Wikipedia neu bin, bitte ich um Hilfe, wie das Problem am einfachsten gelöst werden kann. Ich habe Barbara Buchholz diesbezüglich kontaktiert; sie fragte, wie sie eine Copyright Permission geben kann. Wie kann das technisch gehen? Ich bitte um NAchsicht, wenn ich eine einfache Lösung übersehen habe, ich komme im Moment einfach nicht dazu.

Vielen Dank & Grüße z.Zt. aus Budapest,

Tibor (Spacejump) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spacejump (talk • contribs) 20:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Guten Abend,

Frau Buchholz muss uns eine Erlaubniss-Erklärung zukommen lassen, bei der klar festgehalten wird, welcher Text für was für ein Gebrauch lizenziert wird. Das Muster dazu ist hier auf der Seite WP:CONSENT zu finden. Falls Frau Buchholz' englisch nicht ausreichen würde, ist es zwingend wichtig, dass ihr bewusst ist, was eine freigabe mit sich bringt:

Ihr geistiges Eigentum, das sie in der Erklärung definiert, wird an Wikipedia sowie alle unserer weiterverwender unter einer CC-BY-SA lizenziert
Diese Lizenz wird unwiderruflich ausgestellt
Die Lizenz beinhaltet die folgende Rechte:

Der Text kann weiterverwendet werden, auch für kommerzielle Zwecke
Der Text kann abgeändert werden
In jedem Fall muss der Ursprung des Text die Namensnennungsklausel berückschtigen, in anderen Worten, Wikipedia und deren weiterverwender müssen zwingend ermöglichen, dass der Text bis zu Frau Buchholz' lizenzierten Version zurückverfolgt werden kann. Für weiterverwender genügt dazu aber ein Link zum Wikipedia-Artikel, bei uns muss die Namensnennung explizit sein.

Dies schliesst es natürlich nicht aus, dass Frau Buchholz von dem Text anderer Gebrauch machen kann (es bleibt natürlich ihr Eigentum), aber es muss ganz klar sein, dass die obenen Punkte Frau Buchholz klar sind, wenn sie die Erlaubniss erteilt.

Frau Buchholz kann die Erlaubniss auf englisch an permissions-en@wikimedia.org zusenden. Bei Fragen, insbesonders im Falle von Unklarheiten und Uebersetzungsprobleme sollte sie anstelle auf deutsch permissions-de@wikimedia.org anschreiben (mit permissions-en in Kopie) und um weitere Informationen beten.

Du darfst sie natürlich auch auf diese Diskussion hier verweisen, einfach mit Vorwarnung, dass meine deutsche Grammatik ein wenig mies ist. :)

Wenn ich weiter behilflich sein kann, lass es mich wissen. Gruss, MLauba (talk) 22:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

PS - das es auch ganz klar ist, die Ausführungen hier stellen kein rechtlich gültigen Rat dar, sondern bloss eine uebersetzte Interpretation der englischen Wikipedia Bestimmungen zur Nutzung von Text von Drittberechtigten. MLauba (talk) 22:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)