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This was indeed a false positive by ClueBot.

I followed the steps for reporting this false positive, and here is the text of the reasons I gave for reporting it as such:

The term "Homo erectus' is the valid scientific name for the early hominid also known as 'Java Man'. This fossil was discovered by Eugène Dubois, who succeeded Tiberius Cornelis Winkler in the position of curator of geology, paleontology and mineralogy at Teylers Museum in Haarlem.

This is the reference I was adding.

It was relevant to the article as Tiberius Cornelis Winkler was himself one of the earliest translators of Charles' Darwin's Origin of Species (into Dutch, in 1860), and expressed views on human evolution long before Darwin himself was prepared to publicly admit to these views.

Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 13:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Welcome

Hi Bahudhara, welcome to Wikipedia. It's always nice to see new users who are very obviously improving the encyclopedia. Just one hint: While it's technically possible to insert external links in the middle of an article, and it can indeed often be an improvement, we are not really supposed to do this. (See WP:ELPOINTS.) I think the idea is that if something is important and relevant enough to get an external link, then it's notable enough to get its own article or useful enough (i.e. very relevant to the article and provides substantial value that the article can never provide) to be put into the external links section. Or perhaps it's something else; the rule predates my arrival here.

There are a lot of users here who like eating new users to increase their self-confidence. I will be watching your talk page, but let me know if you need any help. Hans Adler 07:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Hans, thanks for the tips, and your kind offer. At this stage I'm just feeling my way in by making relatively minor edits, so I'm happy to accept any constructive criticism should I commit any faux pas.

I've had another look at the Karlsruhe article and decided to move one of those external links to the 'References' section, as that seems to be a much better fit than the 'External links' section. I found that there was already an article for the other external link, so I've changed that to an internal link.

Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 15:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Great! Generally the idea is to be bold and then just learn from the feedback, although at times the feedback is so negative that it can make you want to give up the project. This is supposed to be the easiest way, and when it works that's true. When I started almost three years ago there were already so many arcane rules one could inadvertently break that it took a long time to get used to everything, and it's getting worse from year to year.

But if I am guessing your attitude to life correctly from your user page and your start here, you can probably take some of your experiences here as important training. Good luck! Hans Adler 17:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

The Last Full measure

Thanks for making the change. I read the story many years ago in IASFM and enjoyed it. --Robert Fraser (talk) 07:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

South Australia

Hi Pdfpdf, I see that you have reverted my effort to improve the earlier edit by Shurlocksam86 (which you had also reverted). No skin off my nose really, I was just trying to do the kid a favour by adding the additional reference, based on my experience of having worked for 10 years in the ABS 20-odd years ago (with two years spent in the Publications Section, where I had to proof-read the SA Yearbook as well as all the other State office publications, including Labour Force). I certainly have no interest in trying to write an encyclopaedic article on the economy of South Australia - my interests lie elsewhere and there are too many other calls on my limited time. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 16:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Greetings Bahudhara. Your improvements are appreciated, but as I have said several times, the raw material (although accurate and well cited) was out of place and out of context. You improved the situation notably by putting the comment in an appropriate section of the article. However, I gather you agree that reporting one quarterly statistic from over a hundred years history, and probably at least 200 quarters of statistics, is not encyclopaedic. It's unfortunate that you don't have the interest to write it - it would appear that you are more than "well qualified" to do so. Perhaps we can ask you to review it if it ever does get written? Again, thanks for your contributions. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 23:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Pdfpdf, from my experience in the ABS most users are only interested in current data, which is why I added the link to the ABS source document (which contains the national and state-by-state, raw, seasonally adjusted and trend data, as well as graphs, a glossary and an explanation of the methodology used to gather these statistics).

The reason for this user interest in the very latest (seasonally adjusted) unemployment figures (and how much they vary from the previous month, quarter, or year) is that they form one of the key indicators of the current state of economic activity, and hence are widely quoted in the media and used by politicians (either to lambast each other, or to ask dorothy dixers), as well as by economists, investors, etc.

Even back in those halcyon days when the ABS used to give out hard copies of most of their publications free-of-charge (and was then regarded, by users at least, as one of the most friendly and helpful government departments), after the initial flurry of interest when the embargoed documents were released, they just became shredder-fodder as soon as the next set of figures became available.

It's mainly just academics who would have an interest in the older ("time-series") data, and even then it would be only as one of a number of means of analysing social or economic trends or history - and they would be aware of the sources anyway.

Personally, it has often been the irritating imperfections (of spelling, grammar, facts, or omissions) in WP articles that have piqued my interest and spurred me on to getting involved in editing. Since my own interests lie more in the fields of natural and environmental history (or the history of what the economy has done to the environment, rather than that of the economy itself), I was quite happy to leave that reference as a breadcrumb trail (as an invitation or a challenge) to anyone who might want to follow it up, or to expand. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 06:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

"One can but hope" ;-) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you. All read and understood; I hope it helps. Haploidavey (talk) 16:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Meetup 12 June 2011

Hi! I just wanted to let you know that Liam Wyatt is in town, so we were thinking of doing a quick meetup at Brunelli's cafe in Rundle Street (at the Rundle Mall end, near the car park) Adelaide, at 6pm on Sunday, with a possibility of drinks afterwards. So if you're interested we hope to see you there. :) - Bilby (talk) 12:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

June 2011

In a recent edit to the page Martin Luther, you changed one or more words from one international variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to another English-speaking country, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author used.

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Re: Martin Luther

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Wow!

Hey there! You're just trying to do the same technique I did with the icon in my only warning! Very cool. StormContent (talk) 03:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I just copied your text and and tried to make the warning text a little stronger (faster than trying to look up an appropriate template). But since the other article being vandalised is a BLP, that should result in a speedier blocking of this IP user - I reinforced your message at WP:AIV. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 03:34, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

My Apologies

I saw that you changed my Talk on Martin Luther. I am sorry that made that mistake. I was trying the start a new section and I guess I messed it up. Thank you for changing it back for I did not want to erase anything. Keep up the good work Ricofalltrades (talk) 16:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

No worries. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 23:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Ostroski

I found your note on EncMstr's page about this situation and was glad to see someone else had picked up the pattern, as I was wondering who to talk to or where to post a notice about it, since it's a hard situation to deal with under any of the normal remedies. Evidently the situation is even older than I knew. I found out about it because in the last few months he has begun the same type of pattern at Wikispecies, and I followed the IP trail back here. I track down his edits here and revert them whenever he vandalizes at WS. How many others are there who know about this? Other than creating a filter, I think the best way to respond is to make as many people aware of what's going on as possible. Thanks for your work following up on him. Koumz (talk) 15:51, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Koumz, when I first noticed the pattern about a year ago, I reported him to WP:AIV; since then whenever I've come across him again (I keep a number of his favourite past target articles on my watchlist). I generally report him to Materialscientist who usually responds very quickly with a block, but since Ostroski vandalises using many IP addresses, that didn't seem to have much overall effect on his level of activity. So I was happy to find that EncMstr was willing to take a different approach by creating a filter, using a list of his known IP socks (which I was continuing to update, but it has recently been archived).

If I find that another admin has reverted one of his edits AGF, I usually let them know that this wasn't the case. I can only assume that anyone who watches EncMstr and MaterialScientist's talk pages will also be aware of the situation.

According to another post on EncMstr's page (by J Spencer): He likes to edit on other wikiprojects as well, such as Commons and Wikinews. If you say that he is now targetting Wikispecies as well, perhaps that is because EncMstr's filter has been effective in blocking him from WP, but not from other WP sister projects.

It may be because Ostroski's vandalism, because of its nature, is often easily recognised as such and reverted very quickly, that there hasn't been much attention paid to it by other admins. But he has been very persistent despite many warnings and blocks; and the scale and duration of his vandalism suggest that it does deserve more serious action, perhaps by reporting him to his ISP.

I don't have any technical knowledge regarding these things - as he is on dialup his IP address is dynamic and using the Geolocate function gives both his ISP (Frontier Communications) and a location. However, I don't know whether the location given is also fixed and accurate, or simply an indication of the network route that that particular edit session took place over - in other words, it's possible that he may be using one particular computer at a fixed location, (which only appears to change over time because the network configuration also changes over time), or whether he really is accessing the internet from multiple locations. If the latter case, he may be using different computers in many locations (e.g. public access terminals in public libraries, which may be unlikely as I imagine these would all be on broadband now) or it is possible that he is travelling around with a laptop using a wireless link. If this last scenario is correct, then his ISP would be able to identify his account if they are given a log of his recent sessions. And if he is using public access terminals in libraries, perhaps contacting the library administrators might be a useful way to go. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 04:08, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

And of course, given his style of vandalism of inserting phony information, we can't assume that Edward Ostrowski is actually his real name - it's also possible, for example, that he could be trying to implicate someone he has a grudge against - but it is still an important clue as to his identity. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 04:34, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

G'Day from Martin Bull

I am not sure if this is the right place to put this so my apologies if its not :-) I am a recent member and would be interested in attending a meeting if one was planned. I can travel and currently live at Christies Beach. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marty149 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Martin, To keep the discussion thread together, it would be best to post comments about possible meetups on this project page, rather than on my talk page, or the project's talk page - it can get a bit confusing otherwise, especially for anyone relatively new. (By the way, we may have met in the past perhaps a couple of years ago - I attended two or three APANA meetings with Tony Bazeley.)

There have been a couple of WP Adelaide meetups that I've attended over the past year. They're not big events, just a half-dozen or so attending, but interesting. My recent suggestion for another meetup hasn't had any response so far, due no doubt to the holiday season, but shortly I will start pushing again for it to happen as I've got a particular project in mind that I'd like to discuss. I'm rather busy at the moment with other stuff, so it may take another week or two before I can get down to it. Other likely participants (especially User:Bilby, who is the main organiser for these events) will already have the project meetup page (and therefore its associated talk page) on their watchlists, so I'll hope for a better response when I next post the details. Cheers Bahudhara (talk) 12:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Your requested move

Hello Bahudhara. I moved the article to Pig-footed bandicoot as you requested. It looks like there are a bunch of links to the old name which may need fixing, and perhaps some double redirects. I won't have time to fix those today; perhaps you can look into it. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I've fixed the ones in mainspace articles, but left those in userspace and archived Portal pages. Some of the Lists are problematic, particularly Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals/mammal articles by size, which I have nominated for deletion. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 05:57, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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Port Adelaide

Howdy. I'm confused by your edit of 24 May 2012. Your edit summary says: "loco 'Bill operates on the Semaphore-Fort Glanville track, not at the Railway Museum." Yet your edit changes the statement "Bill is used for some of the year on a seafront rail line ... " to "Bib is used for ... ". Please review the paragraph in question. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

My mistake, I reverted the previous edit, without really looking at the second occurrence of "Bill". I made the revert after checking the page on the rides on the Railway Museum's website, which states that steam loco "Bill" operates on the Semaphore line, while "Bub" and "Ken" operate at the Museum itself. I think I was a bit distracted because I couldn't actually find a reference to a loco named "Bib" on that page. I've just had another look on the website - under the searchable page for their rollingstock exhibits (under Type="All" and Gauge="18 inch gauge") there are another couple of 457mm steam locos listed, named "Chitty" and "Juliet", but no "Bib" - but that page doesn't mention "Bub" or "Ken" either.

It's possible that there may be a "Bib" which is not currently used for rides, and is not on display either - or it may have been a mistake altogether. Rather than make an enquiry at the Museum (that would be OR), I'll amend the article to reflect what is actually stated on the Museum's website. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 12:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

The other possibility that occurred to me after writing the above, is that "Bib" may have been renamed as "Bill" when it was moved to the Semaphore line. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 05:24, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

List of museums in South Australia

Hi Bahudhara, Thank you for your note, but I have had to re-revert your addition of the 'South Australian Whale Centre' in List of museums in South Australia. Having 'local knowledge' has nothing to do with it i'm afraid. These lists of museums are for specific museums articles on Wikipedia, not redirects to locality articles. If we start doing that these lists will become devoid of their use, which is to list actual museums that have dedicated articles. As it is there is not even a South Australian Whale Centre section in the Victor Harbor, South Australia article, your'e simply linking to the attractions section of the article, of which the South Australian Whale Centre only is mentioned in one sentence! have a look at the other articles listed on the list of museums articles (particularly the Australian state ones). As you will see they comprise actual museum articles, not redirects. IF there was a dedicated section to the museum in the redirected article that would be one thing, but at the moment there isn't. Perhaps that is something you could work on, or even better, why not start a brand new article on the South Australian Whale Centre? Then it can be added to the list (If it is notable of course). In the meantime it should not be listed in the List of museums in South Australia article UNLESS it has its own article OR at least its own section in a redirected article. If you are still not happy about this, please start a discussion on Talk:List of museums in South Australia, but do not add it again until consensus has been reached with other editors. Please also remember to be civil, and don't dismiss people's views on this simply because they are not 'local'. Happy editing! Bleaney (talk) 23:56, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Alas there are too many deficiencies in WP articles for me to tackle them all on my own. I note your concerns and as I am fortunate in having been granted a bursary by ArtsSA to attend the 2012 National Conference of Museums Australia here in Adelaide later this month, largely due to my volunteer advocacy work in trying to establish a WP:GLAM project with the South Australian Museum and other local institutions, I will be happy to raise them there, and in the report I am expected to write as a condition of accepting the bursary. Hopefully this may result in an increase in recruitment and training of new editors. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 01:54, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Useful resource for developing the list - Arts SA > Organisations Bahudhara (talk) 03:29, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

North Terrace

Thanks! (I can't even use the excuse that I shouldn't edit after midnight. Ho hum.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 03:33, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Email

Humpf. My wikipedia email isn't working - neither send, nor receive. So no, I don't have mail (dammit!) Pdfpdf (talk) 14:21, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

From this end it looks like it might be working again. Could you try sending something to me via WP, please? Pdfpdf (talk) 00:15, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Two informal Adelaide Meetups - 27 Jan 2013

Adelaide Meetup Next: TBA Last: 6 March 2020

FYI. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

My but you are quite the social butterfly, aren't you! I'm envious. :-( Pdfpdf (talk) 14:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Martin Luther

Hello,

I have noticed your edits and I like them

--walkee^talkee 20:36, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

No worries, glad to help out. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 23:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

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Torrens Island

I had to amend your changes to this article, to distinguish between the heritage-listed former Quarantine Station, and the Origin Energy-operated Quarantine Power Station. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 09:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Bahudhara, thanks for your welcome and the links. Hopefully I have succesfully replied using this nightmare messaging system. Touring123 (talk) 02:43, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Blue Mountains (New South Wales)

Ha, thanks--two IPs were mucking about, and I hit mass rollback on one of them. I suppose I need to check the other articles as well. Drmies (talk) 03:57, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

When it's schoolkids playing around, I find that it can be useful to check the article's edit history, as well as checking what other articles they (and their friends!) may have edited recently. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 04:05, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's how I found that it was two of them, playing tag. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 04:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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As one of a highly select international group, you are hereby invited to join me in celebrating my 666! (Let the games begin!) Pdfpdf (talk) 11:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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German vessel Togo

An interesting article. You might find more info via the Plimsoll Ship Index link on my user page - dimensions, engine details, code letters etc. Mjroots (talk) 19:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, although that sort of technical detail isn't really my main area of interest. I had a quick look at the equivalent German article, which has quite a lot more detail about the ship's career in the Baltic in the latter part of the war, including evacuating casualties and refugees. After the war my uncle came to Australia as a DP on the ship - I have a couple of his other photos of it that I haven't uploaded to WP. Most of my mother's family were refugees, escaping from Latvia by ship to Gotenhafen (Gdansk) in 1944, but I don't know on which ship (luckily it wasn't the MV Wilhelm Gustloff!). Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 01:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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better spot

Just a suggestion...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Australia - ie to be fair you should have the same level of detail the other 3 have

why not go to

https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page - and create your own user page and get carried away there.

Even better try looking at the other users pages - whom you have eclipsed in anecdotal detail at the glam/australia on outreach...

It is where you should be getting carried away - as it is, now there is all the anecdotal (I have spoken with bilby...) in a summary page (where the other 3 persons have kept it short and sweet...) makes your details look like undue advertising, and really, you have an idea or two - you should be trying at the outreach user page - plenty of room where people are more likely to be relevant viewers.

But then, this is wikipedia. Also, Adelaide does not have an individual chapter... (if it does there is nothing showing anywhere about it) careful how you describe things. cheers. satusuro 06:40, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi SatuSuro, Thanks for the link to the Wikimedia Outreach page, I hadn't been aware of it. As Bilby is already a Wikipedia Ambassador, I've no intention of formally taking on that role. Bilby also has the skills (and UniSA facilities) to train new WP editors, so I'm happy for him to take the lead there as well.

Since I'm already involved in a number of volunteer organisations, I've been using my contacts there to actively promote the possibilities and benefits of GLAM-Wiki collaborations to our cultural institutions and their associated volunteer groups, and I've been using the GLAM/Australia page to chart that progress, and using a link to that page in off-wiki email correspondence.

It certainly hasn't been my intention to belittle the efforts of the other users listed on that page, or to use it as a vanity page for personal promotion.

I'm glad to say that we have recently started to make a little progress in developing contacts with the State Library of SA, and shortly (when time permits) I'll rework my WP user page to more fully reflect on this.

You are right in saying that there isn't a formal Adelaide "chapter" as yet - however there is a small group of us with some degree of contact, which we would like to increase through holding more regular meetings, as well as encouraging participation by new users. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 23:22, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

More power to all attempts at local organisation, and indeed dont be shy - whatever anyone else is doing, you should still fill up a page on the outreach, regardless of whatever else is going on. What I am suggesting is in no way detrimental to you, Bilby, or the cause in Adelaide - try making a user page at outreach, (the boxes are even better there...), and you have a much better link for others to see, believe me... satusuro 01:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for the kind words

Hi B, I just wanted to say thanks for the barnstar and words of encouragement recently re: my work on Wikipedia. I'd be very interested to learn more about your reference collection and potentially peruse it, but I'm not sure how I can contact you outside Wikipedia? Sorry, still learning the ropes. I'm easy to find- search for Dan Monceaux and you'll find my email and work #. Feel free to delete this message once it's served its purpose. I hope to hear from you soon. Danimations (talk) 12:53, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Disco Cuttlefish & Adelaide Fringe

Hi Bahudhara.

I think you should take a look at the Disco Cuttlefish page and check out the edits that Adelaide Fringe have made to this page. I believe there are grounds for reverting the article to my previous version, but thought a more senior editor would appropriate to call upon for handling this matter. There's an obvious issue here with Adelaide Fringe editing an article which refers to an artwork they commissioned. Their edits are also not written in a neutral tone, nor are they referenced. Please take a look and let me know what you think and what course of action is decided upon. Danimations (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I've reverted their edits back to your version, as the good faith changes they introduced were problematic in terms of grammar and style, advocacy, etc., and didn't add anything of substance.. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 07:57, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Stirling Linear Park

Hi B, I have another call for some assistance. I just created a page for Stirling Linear Park and see that it has been been flagged for speedy deletion. Can you please take a look, and offer me suggestions as to how best to respond? Thanks. Danimations (talk) 10:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, I've had a quick look at it and will make some edits to the article to fit in with WP standards. Some tips re names - you had "Mrs Anita Aspinall" and further on "Anita". WP doesn't generally use honorifics like "Mrs", or given names (apart from some exceptions! - see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)). Also, capitalisation of other names varies according to specific WP conventions - e.g.common names of bird species use initial caps, but animal species use mixed case.

I've already commented on the article's Talk page to contest the deletion. The person who nominated the article for deletion identifies himself on his user page as a deletionist, but it seems that if others object, the proposal can be withdrawn. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 12:53, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

"Serial pest" (on the Adelaide page)

I like it! Accurate, but not offensive. Have you TradeMarked or Copyrighted the phrase, or may anyone use it? Pdfpdf (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

The phrase isn't mine - I first heard it applied many years ago in the UK, as I seem to remember it being used to describe one particularly notorious activist who used to disrupt fox hunting events. A quick google search also shows it being used against certain activist opponents of duck hunting in Australia. So go for it. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 03:39, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

former

I'm glad I noticed your edit comment because it gives me the entre to discuss a topic with you. I've recently put a LOT of effort into List of Companions of the Order of Australia, and one of the things I've done is remove "former". In general, this is because it's effing obvious that they must be "former". (Particularly so if the dates-in-office have been included.) Your thoughts? Pdfpdf (talk) 16:48, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

The table in your List of Companions of the Order of Australia has a lot of information on each individual, including "years in office", so using "former" there would be redundant. The lists in List of University of Adelaide people are quite basic, and it's impossible to tell the difference between current and former office bearers unless one already knows, or visits the linked pages.

Another page that the IP with the potential COI edited was University of Adelaide Law School#Notable alumni - under "Politics", it has "John Bannon - Premier of South Australia". There are lots of such lists around, including List of people from Adelaide. Just the tip of an iceberg, I expect. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 04:01, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Meetup

Please could you add the time and the location to Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide/Meetup 8#Wednesday, 16 April 2014? Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 05:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

It was decided the meeting should be written up, and that this should be a collaborative exercise. I have "started the ball rolling" at Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide/Meetup 8#Meeting summary Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:23, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

May meetup

Can we get the date sorted a.s.a.p. please? Then we can start "recruiting" attendees ... Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:26, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I'm happy to start ... errrrr ... (posting to / spamming / choose-your-expression) user talk pages, provided we can decide what to post ... Pdfpdf (talk) 11:26, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

No worries, go for it, I've been updating the Meetup page. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 03:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Messines (1917)

Hi Bahudhara,

I saw your revert. Could you please give the changes a closer look? There aren't that many and they really are just simple high school English stuff: Splitting too-long paragraphs, getting the tense consistent, etc. If you read the last paragraph about "soil" (pretending to not have apriori knowledge), I think you will find it to be much more clear from the point of view of a reader who doesn't already know the material. For example: "..need maintenance" was confusing with that tense because most would read it as "the current-day drainage systems need maintenance. Also "Since 1914" is less clear than "Between 1914 and 1917" because it can easily be read as any time after 1914 (like I consistently read it until looking at it very very closely in the process of my last edit). (If it really did mean post-war, it would be off-topic)

Like I said to Keith-265, if I incorrectly discerned the intended meaning, please just correct it, and take it as evidence that the original wording really was misleading even for someone who read it very closely like myself. If I made some English-101 mistake, I'm not offended if you fix that too. But, please don't simply revert. I've been in your position. Some IP comes in and makes a lot of changes at once and as a consequence it requires a review of them all, which is a burden. It's easier to just revert. I sympathize! Sorry about the burden, guys. Please take heart that there really aren't that many changes, and that they're simple without changing the meaning (just clarifying I hope).

Yours, 108.20.78.154 (talk) 06:32, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I've replied on the article's Talk page, where Keith-265 had already opened the discussion - my main issue was to do with your changes to the verb tenses. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 16:23, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Meeting 9?

Please read this. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 06:29, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

"Spring Clean" and organise

Good work. Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:22, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

The Breakaways Reserve

Hi Bahudhara, I just noticed your edit of The Breakaways Reserve. I have the following comment - I think the article should be renamed as 'Breakways Conservation Park' in order to align with documentation published by the Department of Environment, Water and Natural Resources (DEWNR) such as the following - The Reserve List, South Australia’s National Parks Guide, Page 27 and NatureMaps. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 08:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that - I'm still working on the geology of the article at the moment, and the related one on Stuart Range, South Australia. I'm happy to rename it when I'm done, esp as the renaming seems to have happened only recently - see: Breakaways Conservation Park to be co-managed with Aboriginal community. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 08:35, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Update: I've moved the article to 'Breakaways Conservation Park', but I've still got to do some more work on the geology of both articles - maybe in the morning. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Auztralyan Inglish

I do not understand why the Macquarie Dictionary people insist on using a U.S. English spell checker.[1] --AussieLegend (✉) 08:34, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

FWIW, my copy of the Collins English Dictionary (Australian edition, 1979) also only has 'led' as the past tense. The WP article on the Macquarie Dictionary (my copy is the Concise, 6th edition, 2013) states: It is generally held by universities and the legal profession to be the authoritative source on Australian English.

I have to admit to having been confused in the past over the use of 'lead' or 'led' for the past tense - I dunno, it mightn't be a particuly Strine thingo.

Wiktionary has under lead (verb): #17. Common misspelling of led. ;-) Bahudhara (talk) 10:00, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

My Collins Pocket Dictionary (The Collins people had pretty big pockets) that I got in 1971 in my final year of primary school says either "lead" or "led" with "lead" preferred. I was 21 when the first Macquarie was printed and it was treated as a bit of a joke, with the Oxford dictionary being the dictionary of choice in government circles. I don't own a Macquarie because of the tendency toward what is traditionally US spelling. For example, "gaol" used to be the standard but Macquarie decreed that "jail" should be used and everyone just fell into line without question. I'm sure that if Macquarie added "hsgdshdgydb", people would just accept it. --AussieLegend (✉) 12:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I see what you mean about gaol / jail. For the latter term the Macquarie has under Usage: "In general the spelling of this word has shifted in from gaol to jail. However gaol remains fossilised in the names of jails and in some government usage."

But even my Collins (1979 edition, which predates the first edition of the Macquarie in 1981) defines gaol as merely "a variant spelling of jail". (Maybe you can blame Elvis for that! But then again, Wiktionary has under gaol: "Gaol was formerly the usual spelling, and is still preferred in some proper names. Most Australian newspapers use jail rather than gaol, citing either narrower print width or the possibility of transposing letters in gaol to produce goal.") So maybe you're flogging a dead horse there.

I can't say that I'm familiar with the arguments about the respective merits of these dictionaries. I just bought the Macquarie a while ago because I intended using it (as well as Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh who brought back a pet freshwater tortoise from his visit to Australia in 1867) as ammunition in a POV stoush I was having with some Yanks (and an expat Aussie) who have renamed all our local tortoises as turtles. I'm holding off for now, maybe I'll resume the argument when I have nothing better to do, or am feeling particularly masochistic. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 15:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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No worries - should have been in userspace, due to a badly formatted link in a list it wound up in mainspace instead, so should be speedily deleted. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 07:03, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry ...

Thanks.

Actually, I happen to agree with you.

(But seriously, don't worry - the world won't end ...) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 16:39, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Since the AfD is now closed, I posted a lengthy response and a few potential suggestions at User talk:Pdfpdf. The Drover's Wife (talk) 01:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Technical Mentors - Unleashed Adelaide, 11-13 July 2014

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Port Adelaide

I'm sorry if I accidentally moved something that shouldn't have been moved, but inappropriate redirects on notable topics which effectively salt the earth on their creation to non-experienced Wikipedia users requires ad hoc measures to be taken to clean up that particular mess. The Drover's Wife (talk) 14:26, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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Sister cities

Apparently, not only do "great minds think alike", but they do it at the same time! ;-) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

(Sigh) It's a bit of a pain when relatively new editors repeat the same mistakes others have made in the past. I'm glad you fixed up the changes to the Adelaide city centre article as well. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 23:57, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For you furry kitten.

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As a former cat-lover (now happily cat-free for 10 years!) I'm happy to accept the virtual variety, as feral cats have been blamed for killing more than 20 billion native Australian animals a year. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 23:03, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I've cropped the Michelle Lensink image to portrait

I hope you don't mind :) Timeshift (talk) 04:36, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

No worries. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 10:55, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

G'day, thank you, and a question

Thanks for the invite to the Meetup back in July. I struggle with my health (leukaemia, asthma, excema, diabetes, etc.) and disappear from view from time to time. It's unlikely I will ever make it along to one of those.

I'm asking the following question because you are obviously more knowledgeable about Wikipedia than myself: Is there a way to link to a Wikipedia article in another language? i.e., "Instituto Químico de Sarriá" appears on the Spanish version but not the English version. Tah. Kwah-LeBaire (talk) 23:14, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Kwah-LeBaire, I'm sorry to hear that you can't make it to our meetups - they will continue this year, and relevant info will be recorded in the meetup pages (I still have to do this for the last one!).

In response to your query, there's not yet an English article on the "Instituto Químico de Sarriá"; the easiest way to put a link to an article in another language Wikipedia is to treat it as an external link in the external links section; otherwise, format the plain wikilink by prefixing it with the appropriate language code, followed by a colon, e.g. [[es:Instituto Químico de Sarriá|Instituto Químico de Sarriá]] produces Instituto Químico de Sarriá. See also WP:INTERWIKI, Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Fantastic! Thank you so much, and have a great 2015.Kwah-LeBaire (talk) 21:13, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Ayers House photo

Ouch! However, you're completely correct!! ;-) Pdfpdf (talk) 10:36, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

P.S. You forgot to mention that August is a stupid time-of-year to take photos of Adelaide. I admit that I'm astounded that no-one has taken a better photo in the last 6.5 years. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

I've finally gotten around to uploading a photo of Ayres House that I took a couple of months ago - I went there specially at 6am on a sunny late summer Sunday morning to get the early morning light on the façade. It beats me why some people make such poor choices by trawling through Flickr to get just any old photo to upload, instead of taking them themselves, and in the process learning some of the basics of good photography, such as framing, composition, lighting, etc. And I'd have to disagree with you - while we may have more dull, grey, wintry weather in August, we can still get some great days then, with interesting cloud formations, etc.; and anyway, the reduced contrast and more even lighting produced by dull weather can suit some subjects. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 08:54, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

South Australian Maritime Museum

Hi Bahudhara, I refer to your comments on the South Australian Maritime Museum (SAMM) talk page. I am aware of the history of the SAMM article particularly as I created the redirect. I also have some concerns about the City of Adelaide (1864) article; I raised one of these on that article’s talk page some time ago. The reason that I am writing is that I wondering if you are interested in collaborating in upgrading the SAMM article over an extended period (i.e. 6 months)? So far, I have done the following work and had the following thoughts. Firstly, I have an early draft article for SAMM which I started in late 2012 and which is a long way from completion. I began it from the perspective of the organisations that lobbied for its creation in the 1980s including one that I was a member of. I do have some source material which I need to check with various collections at the State Library of SA. My draft could be developed into an “Origins/history” section. Secondly, the extent of the museum’s built space needs to be clarified as I personally know that it is spread over a number of buildings and properties; in other words, some source material that discusses the museum’s facilities needs to be found. I think any text should be supported by a site plan graphic and a selection of photographs. Thirdly, I also think a stub class article is required for History SA (HSA) in order to link all of the associated museums together and to describe HSA’s purpose. Also, the content in the current SAMM article concerning government agencies such as DPTI needs to be moved to somewhere else. This may result in the creation of some more stub class articles. Anyway, look forward to hearing from you at your convenience. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 01:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cowdy001, your proposal sounds interesting, and the time-frame also. My own involvement with the SAMM has been fairly peripheral, and has taken place only over the past few years (mainly in relation to the Torrens Island Quarantine Station, and the proposed Port Adelaide Now and Then wiki), so I don't have any detailed knowledge of the SAMM as an institution, or its history. (I did however attend the Australian Maritime Museum Council's annual conference in Goolwa a couple of weeks ago, courtesy of the Port of Adelaide Branch of the National Trust of SA.)

Regarding the Port Adelaide wiki, there have been some procedural delays, and I still haven't received confirmation that the site is up and running - I'll have to chase that up this week, as I've already arranged to have the official launch of the wiki during History Month, on Thursday 7 May at the Port Adelaide Library. We do have a number of people who are interested in contributing to the wiki (including at least one person from the SAMM), and I'm hoping that some may go on to editing WP as well. I envisage that the new wiki will be complementary to WP, in the sense of being able to include a lot of material that otherwise wouldn't meet WP's notability and verifiability guidelines, but instead be informed by consensus among the community of registered contributors to the wiki (e.g. individual articles on all of the ships and ketches listed in the SAMM's database).

There hasn't been a meetup of the Adelaide Wikipedia Users Group since November - recent meetups have been held on the 4th Wednesday of the month, and I understand that for some reason you haven't been able to attend. I think that it would be very useful to hold a meetup on this subject area later this month - would the afternoon of Sunday 29 March, at a location in Port Adelaide, suit you? (On Sundays the Port Adelaide Library is closed, but the Semaphore Library is open from 1:30-5pm.) Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 03:13, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Bahudhara, I am already booked for the 29th. Alternatively, are any other times during the week that suit you? Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 19:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

How about the evening of Wednesday 25 March? That would be a good time to get others involved as well. Otherwise, I'm pretty flexible, apart from some evenings when I have meeting commitments. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 02:11, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

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Murray River

Hi Bahudhara, I've no problem with your revertions of my edits to this article but I seriously want the main paragraph to be more descriptive about the location of river. So please change the first line accordingly. Cheers, User:Deepanshu1707 (talk) 05:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Deepanshu1707, there is no need to do that, as the lede already adequately describes the river's location and direction of flow, and this is elaborated in subsequent paragraphs. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 07:07, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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Port Adelaide Workers Memorial

Hi Bahudhara! I noticed that you've contributed heavily to the article on the Port Adelaide Workers Memorial on the Port Adelaide Enviropedia. I just wanted to let you know that I've recently created a Wikipedia entry for the memorial at Port Adelaide Workers Memorial, and it would be great if you want to flesh it out with some more info. -Paperclip Maximiser (talk) 04:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, although I'm responsible for setting up the Port Adelaide wiki, the basic content for the Workers' Memorial article there was supplied by the local history librarian at the Port Adelaide library. We intend to create articles for all the individual names on the memorial, and, starting next month, to hold classes at the library to teach newcomers on how to edit the new wiki (and hopefully to go on to become Wikipedia editors as well).

The new wiki was set up to address Wikipedia's shortcomings in recording local history at the community level (i.e. its policies on verifiability, no original research, etc.) with the intention that a high standard of verifiability can be maintained by a close collaboration of a group of editors who meet frequently face-to-face, rather than anonymously in Wikipedia's virtual space.

Due to my role in setting it up, it's possible that some WP editors may see me as having a conflict of interest in working on subjects that are covered by both WP and PAW, so I intend to keep my activities in the two wikis fairly distinct. Cheers,Bahudhara (talk) 05:52, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Garden Island

Hi Bahudhara, I have an article nearly finished about the Garden Island located in the Port River estuary but need some more sourced content. I am wondering if you have any suggestions for sources re the following -

• Formation of the island (I consulted a chapter written by Johnston & Harbison in Daniels et al 2005 while it discusses the relevant processes, it does not specifically mention the island)
• Its geology (presumably this is an estuarine soil laid over sedimentary rock)
• ”Oceanography” of the surrounding waterways - in particular, water depths. Matters such as water behaviour, makeup etc is described by Johnston & Harbison
• Any material about Aboriginal use of the island
• Its discovery by Europeans (presumably during the 1830s and anything about the source of the name)
• Fauna - presumably any official material regarding to Barker Inlet should also apply to Garden Island (Also, Johnston & Harbison’s chapter is helpful)

Please reply here. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 10:21, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Cowdy001, Re the formation of Garden Island, the landscape of northwestern Adelaide is a palimpsest, with Holocene marine sediments (St Kilda Formation) being laid down since sea levels reached the present level (about 7 ka), overlying/onlapping an earlier, similar topography formed during the previous sea level highstand, around 100 ka. Remnants of the late Pleistocene coastal dunes occur some distance inland from the present coastline (e.g. at the kink in Henley Beach Road at Lockleys).

During the intervening period sea levels were much lower, especially at the last glacial maximum (around 20 ka) and Gulf St Vincent was largely dry, and the then-exposed highstand coastal landforms were partially eroded, with the calcareous marine sediments of the former seafloor being subject to formation of pedogenic calcrete (Glanville Formation) (which is referred to as 'limestone' in the older literature, such as references to the 'bar' at the mouth of the Port River, which was removed during dredging to improve navigability in the late 19th century).

Alluvial terrestrial sediments (Hindmarsh Clay) continued to be deposited throughout the Pleistocene.

The very soft and squidgy St Kilda Fm sediments are about 10 m thick in the vicinity of the Torrens Island Power Station (which is built on piles driven into the stiffer, underlying Hindmarsh Clay), becoming thinner eastwards. They include marine sediments such as coarser shelly channel deposits as well as peaty estuarine soils with high organic content derived from accumulations of detrital seagrass and mangrove roots.

The area has been extensively studied since the time of the MFP proposal, when geotechnical investigations revealed the extent and severity of acid sulphate soils there. Two of the leading experts on the area are Tony Belperio and Rob Fitzpatrick, who were my supervisors on an Honours project there (unfortunately I didn't get around to completing my thesis; later, Brett Thomas did his PhD thesis on this subject).

While they might not specifically refer to Garden Island, here are some useful references to the general area:

• Belperio, A.P., J.H. Cann, and V.A. Gostin (1986): Quaternary stratigraphy and coastal sedimentary environments, north-eastern Gulf St. Vincent, South Australia. In: A.J. Parker (compiler), One Day Geological Excursions of the Adelaide Region. Adelaide: Geological Society of Australia, South Australian Division.
• Belperio, A.P. and P.Harbison (1992): St Kilda,Greenfields and the MFP-Australia Site: A Geological Excursion Guide to Natural, Artificial and Reclaimed Wetlands.Department of Mines and Energy Geological Survey, South Australia Report Book 92 (38).
• Belperio, A.P. and R.L. Rice (1989): Stratigraphic Investigation of the Gillman Development Site, Port Adelaide Estuary. Department of Mines and Energy, South Australian Report Book 89/62.
• Fitzpatrick, R.W., B.P. Thomas, R.H. Merry and S. Marvanek (2008): Acid sulfate soils in Barker Inlet and Gulf St. Vincent Priority Region CSIRO Land and Water Science Report 35/08

There is also this more specific reference, which predates the establishment of the landfill dump in 1982:

• Hosking, Fargher and Oborn Pty. Ltd. (1979): A report on the future development of Garden Island, prepared for the Department of Marine and Harbors, South Australia.

Hi Bahudhara, This is excellent information. Thank you. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 20:04, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Easy to tear down, how about constructing?

I was sorry that you did not approve of my contrasting lode vs placer deposit. Perhaps being a geology enthusiast, you could take the effort to correct vs delete my "simplistic" statement. Probably you could even add a real reference, perhaps to one of your library of reference books, satisfying WP:SECONDARY of course. It is, after all, our job to add knowledge.--Smokefoot (talk) 21:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

The reason I reverted your edit was that the term "lode" is now rather dated, my impression is that the heyday of its use harks back to 19th century pick-and-shovel mining. Although it mght still be used by fossickers and other amateur or small-scale gold miners, the terms now generally used by the mining industry sre "ore body" and "ore deposit", which encompass both a modern understanding of a much wider range of mineralisation types and processes, and the much-larger scale of modern mining operations.

The Lode article itself is also very problematic; but the articles on Ore and Ore genesis are generally much better. There are improvements that need to be made, but my own knowledge is rather dated (from a 3rd year BSc. semester-length unit in "magmatic and hydrothermal ore deposits", back in 1994, and my textbooks are of a similar vintage; the last time I was down a mine was during that course - the Olympic Dam mine, of an IOCG deposit, which illustrates my point), and my priorities lie elswhere at the moment. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 03:05, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

G'day

G'day Bahudhara, thought I'd drop you a line as I'm Adelaide-based and would be keen to get along to a meet-up at some stage. Feel free to ping me for anything WP-related going on in Adelaide. Regards, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Peacemaker67, I've seen your name around, and it would be good to make your acquaintance - and it just so happens that I've proposed holding Meetup 18 on 19 May at Port Adelaide. There's also a Future meetings page that you could put on your watchlist. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 13:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Brushtail Possums

Hi Bahudhara I saw your note and the reversion to the earlier copy that didn't include the clicking noises possums make when preparing to mate. You are correct there is no reference to this: it is my observations of them, but I have seen the behaviour regularly. You have misinterpreted what I meant by the audio attributes of this clicking/grunting noise though. I mentioned the noises are done at a frequency of 1-2 Hz, meaning the actual sound is repeated at 1-2 Hz, not that the sound itself is 1-2 Hz. There's probably a better way to describe this than I did, but 'frequency' refers to the rate at which the noise is made, not the frequency of the sound itself (which obviously can't be 1-2 Hz!). Either way, I'm not fussed if the entry I made stays in or out, happy to leave your revised copy. PS. Wasn't sure if this was the right way to leave you a message? Apologies if it's not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.147.103.50 (talk) 02:32, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi 120.147.103.50, I've moved your comment to the bottom of the page, as that is the conventional order in Talk pages. I've just checked the article on Hertz, and find that the definition of the unit is indeed broader than I expected ("The unit may be applied to any periodic event—for example, a clock might be said to tick at 1 Hz, or a human heart might be said to beat at 1.2 Hz.") but I am still unsure whether it can be applied to possum vocalisations. The main problem, however, is that your observations are unreferenced, and hence count as "original research", which is unacceptable - see Wikipedia:No original research. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 07:04, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

June 2016

Welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Hyde Park, South Australia, but we cannot accept original research. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. TJH2018talk 22:44, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Date changes "BCE/CE" to "BC/AD"

Please note that this IP address is for the University of Rochester and it is not always likely that the person who did the edit will see your message. It just so happens I *am* the person who did the edit, I just wanted you to be aware. I appreciate your position and will not revert the edits. I had not noted that there was a previous dispute or I would not have bothered. I routinely fix the BCE/CE notation on any article where I see it, as it is not widely understood and I feel strongly that common usage trumps "who got there first", which seems to be the main argument in favor of the seldom used notation. I'm not fanatical, so I don't get into edit wars over it. If my corrections stick, great, one less article causing confusion. But if you want to keep it that way, it's fine with me. 128.151.71.16 (talk) 12:09, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi 128.151.71.16, I see two problems with you approach on this issue. Firstly, it reflects your personal point-of-view (see WP:IDONTLIKEIT), and secondly, others may find your edits offensive, as changing the style and linking to Anno Domini can be interpreted as introducing religious bias. The use of Common Era is more neutral in tone, and is favoured by many, including e.g. Jews and Buddhists. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 00:52, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

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VEI

Just letting you know there is a discussion on Talk:Volcanic Explosivity Index to decapitalize the title (again). Volcanoguy 16:14, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I had been aware of it as it's on my watchlist, but I had wanted to avoid being dragged into yet another tiresome WP talkpage debate, particularly since we've just been going through a heatwave (and I don't have aircon!). Fortunately that's now passed, and I've just made my contribution. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 02:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

HorizontalTwo08

Sorry. I will note this for future corrections.

P.S. I was really just joking. HorizontalTwo08 (talk) 23:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

No worries. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 01:01, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Luther on Indulgences

Bahudhara, why do you think that my edit that Luther "strongly disputed his understanding of the Catholic view on indulgences" contains a grammatical contradiction? Amosjohnlong (talk) 01:08, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Poor wording - using "disputed" as a transitive verb implies that he was arguing with himself, challenging his own understanding, holding two contradictory positions at the same time. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 13:00, 9 February 2017 (UTC).

Gazette

Saw your issue on Kerry's talk page, took it upon myself to fix it. It was clearly just people at AfC being outrageously useless again. The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Edit to.copper

Not mistaken, just differently-opinioned. I, for one, believe that corpses have no gender. Also no favourite foods, pet peeves, or fond memories. Primergrey (talk) 02:33, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

That would have to be an extreme view - the gender of human remains can still be forensically determined from skeletons, or DNA. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 03:11, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

I disagree, at least semantically. What gender the corpse was , in life, can obviously be identified. The corpse itself, however, has no more a gender than it has a blood type or allergies. Primergrey (talk) 16:43, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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Arctocephalus forsteri requested move discussion

Bahudhara, I just set up the RM discussion on the talk page. Bot should have page ready within the hour.....Pvmoutside (talk) 13:33, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Pans

Hi Bahudhara. I see that we had different interpretations of the text on pans. My intention was to remove the part about land speed records. I interpreted the part that says "also used in Australia" as a continuation of the part about "are sometimes employed for land speed record attempts". In other words, I read it as "extensive pans of the Northern Cape province, which are sometimes employed for land speed record attempts, .... also used in Australia". Gramatically I saw that the number did not agree, ie, "which are sometimes employed" vs. "It is also used", but thouught that was an editing error. I see now that "also used in Australia" refers to the use of the term. So, to the extent to which I am at fault, I do apologise. Best regards and have a great weekend, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 10:19, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

No worries, - I thought afterwards that that was how you had interpreted it - it had been originally written rather ambiguously! Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 15:14, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Pans again (Etosha pan)

Hi Bahudhara. You mentioned here that in Australia another term is clay pans. That term describes better the Etosha pan as I know it. It is being called a salt pan, which, according to what that article says (salt pan), is not quite the same. A clay pan describes it better, but it is redirected to dry lake. I see there is also salt lake and Salt pan (geology). Would you mind taling a look at Etosha pan and see if you also get the sense that "salt pan" is not the best descriptor? Thanks, regards,

There's also an article, Claypan, which needs expansion as at present it only refers to a clay-rich soil horizon, and doesn't mention exposed clay-floored depressions (although that's implicit in the section on "Animal habitats").

As I see it, terms like "salt lake" and "dry lake" are used more in a geographic sense, although the actual usage doesn't distinguish between permanent or more ephemeral waterbodies - e.g. in South Australia, Lake Eyre, Lake Gairdner, and Lake Torrens are normally dry, and only very occasionally fill with water in years with exceptional rainfall. The terms "salt pan" and "clay pan" are used more in a geomorphological sense to describe specific features, and both can be found within the same geographic feature. For example, as a lake dries out, the water level falls and the surface area covered by water contracts. Salinity increases, to the point where the more insoluble minerals begin to precipitate out - a typical sequence is calcium carbonate (calcite) first, then calcium sulphate (gypsum), then finally the most soluble minerals such as sodium chloride (halite), which is concentrated in the deepest and smallest areas of the former lake (the salt flats or pans). The gypsum-precipitation stage can be interesting in this regard, as the mineral expands due to the presence of water-of-crystallisation, the structure of the clay minerals is disrupted, and the resulting gypseous soil is very light and extremely prone to wind erosion. This process can form deflation basins - claypans - and clay dunes may form on the leeward side of the lake.

Clay pans can also form by another process, by the erosion of the upper horizons of duplex soils down to the more impermeable and erosion-resistant clay layer, This can be caused through loss of protective vegetation by over-grazing by livestock, or by increasing soil salinity, and can be difficult and expensive to remediate.

To return to your original question, to me it seems that "salt pan" is a better description for the Etosha pan, due to the extensive coverage by the evaporite minerals, even though these may not cover the whole floor of the basin. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 02:54, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Bahudhara. Very informative. I do a lot of translation work for a number of RBOs (river basin organisations) here in my region. After years of work on the Okavango, I am doing work on the Cuvelai basin. The terminology search is fascinating. I recently had a lot of fun discovering how to say "Flood Pulsed Wetlands (International Flood Pulsed Wetlands International Symposium)" in Portuguese. Thanks, regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 13:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Franklin Street, Adelaide

FYI, Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:04, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I had seen this, and still mean to go there and take some photos, but so far I've been too busy. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 00:17, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Communicating

If you want to have any kind of productive conversation with someone, don't start by copying and pasting a form letter. Use your own words if you want to talk to me.

And stop reverting just to be disruptive. You have made no attempt whatsoever to justify your actions. Rbka (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

How hilarious you must have found it to post me another obnoxious form letter. Now don't ever post on my talk page again. Rbka (talk) 23:42, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

FYI. Please on-post to anyone else who you think may be "a stakeholder" (horrible phrase). Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:59, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Pdfpdf, I concur with your message to this user. His petulance, as displayed above and in some his edit summaries, suggests both precociousness and immaturity. He seems to have an inflated sense of his own abilities, and a need to show-off and to try to get attention and praise; his aggressiveness and inability to accept criticism may mask a deeper insecurity. His allegations of being stalked are ridiculous - he was being deliberately provocative in choosing to edit articles closely related to the one where he was first challenged. I also agree with your observations about his experience and knowledge of WP policies; I get the impression that he's gaming the system, and it's possible that he may have previously edited under a different username. Bahudhara (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

This user has now received an indef block, as a confirmed sock of Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Best known for IP. I did get the impression that he was choosing articles at random to edit, with his real intention being to ambush unwitting editors to argue with and abuse, to feed his psychological need to continually prove his sense of superiority, and we fell for it. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 04:09, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

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Please, see this article talk page. Vikom (talk) 03:52, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

Good to see you are on board with this, appreciated. JarrahTree 01:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

No worries, I was watching this play out. I was happy to help out with refs from my very extensive press clippings archive. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 02:06, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much such a resource like that is much appreciated JarrahTree 02:30, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

My interest in press clippings goes back pretty far, and around 30 years ago when I was working for the ABS in their Publications section, I was actually paid to read The Advertiser as part of my job. I'd mark the articles of interest to the Bureau, and send it off to the girls in the typing pool (remember them?). The articles would be clipped, and sent back to me pasted to A4 sheets (if larger, they'd be neatly folded to fit the backing sheet) and then I'd distribute them to the various Subject Matter areas.

The Conservation Council used to maintain a press clippings archive, and around 15 or so years ago they decided to get rid of it because they felt that it wasn't being used, and they wanted to reclaim the space. They asked their member groups if they wanted to take anything from it, but there wasn't any interest. I thought that it would be a pity to lose the collection, so I took the lot - 6 filing cabinets full. At the time I managed to digitise a small portion of it relating to my own interests, but it was such a huge job that I eventually abandoned it. Since then I've concentrated on scraping articles on the web before they disappear into various black holes.

Re the Conservation Council, when they later liquidated their library (that's another story!) I rescued 34 boxes of books, journals, etc. Other people also took some material, but most (80%, my estimate) wound up going up the stacks of Adelaide Brighton's plant at Birkenhead, as alternative fuel for their cement-making process. Bahudhara (talk) 04:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Leningrad

Hello I have searched in the talk pages what is the matter with the Spanish flag? I was trying to put the symbol of the Blue Legion, the volunteer Spanish force, but I didn't succeed. In the article is not mentioned the Azul Legion, still there is evidence in other wiki pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Division that it partecipated to the blockada, what is the matter, please? --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 16:40, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gian piero milanetti, If you also look at the edit history of the article you will see that there are regular attempts to add the Spanish flag to the infobox (including twice earlier this year), and these have also been removed. Spain was officially neutral during the war. It's appropriate that the Blue Division is mentioned in the text as it was under German command, but not in the infobox where it would add undue weight and be misleading, as Spain cannot be officially classed as a "belligerent" nation during WWII. Bahudhara (talk) 00:15, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

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Teutoburg Forest BC AD

This is an absurd accusation of "vandalism". BC and AD are standard dating systems. I will kindly ask you and others to stop accusing me of vandalism. Many other articles such as "The Battle of Pharsalus" or "The Battle of Actium" use this dating system. It is more historically relevant, and more widely used. The changes I made are relevant, and appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.98.42.236 (talk) 00:10, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you. Obviously I copied the Inforbox from the Barringer Crater article to the Hiawatha Glacier article. I knew I would miss one, or more, items in the inforbox, and leave a trace of Arizona, that should not be in Greenland. Thanks for cleaning up after me. Nick Beeson (talk) 12:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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This morning's hackings re the Limestone Coast and the Murray and Mallee regions

Hi Bahudhara,

Thanks for the intervention; can you please also TW Tintinara, South Australia? regardsCowdy001 (talk) 02:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Now fixed. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 02:27, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

The Frog Man

Hi Bahudhara! I've been trying to find whether Dr. T. has joined the Great Majority, to no avail. I had seen him at Blackwood regularly ten or fifteen years ago but not since. Doug butler (talk) 10:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I have met him, but that was many years ago. He is still listed as an associate professor on the Adelaide Uni website: "Entry last updated: Sunday, 30 Dec 2018". Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 13:51, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Thylacine edits

Thanks for your recent edits at Thylacine. I hope you have examined all my edits there, and left "as is" those with which you concur. I see you have an Australian connection: your perspective should help! I am curious why you used the term "specimen" to describe a presumably live animal: I have edited you edit. If think specimen is more appropriate, lets discuss it at Thylacine Talk. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 17:57, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

@IiKkEe:

Sorry for the late reply (I've been off-wiki recently due to health issues}. Your medical bias is showing - the term "specimen" has much wider use than just medical tissue samples - see: wiktionary:specimen.

I'm not entirely happy with your edits to the article - particularly changing scientific hypotheses regarding behaviour to dogmatic "facts". As the species is now extinct, there is no longer any opportunity for new observations to supplement historic anecdotal evidence. I just haven't had the time to do any further work on the article. Bahudhara (talk) 03:02, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reopening our dialog. I've made 95 edits. I would appreciate your scrutiny of any and all of them as your time permits. My only request is that you modify or revert any with which you disagree one at a time with an explanation, not wholesale reversions without an explanation, which I find to be frustrating. Perhaps you could start by pointing out here on Talk the edit(s) where I changed behavior hypotheses to facts. I no doubt have unconscious biases, but I am editing in good faith. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 03:43, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Adelaide water

Back in the early 1950s we at Croydon Primary were told there were only two places in the world where steam ships would not top up their feed water: Port Said, where the stuff was so precious they couldn't afford it, and Port Adelaide, where its hardness caused boiler crust. Was this a furphy or the good oil? The story is still being resurrected though no-one knows what a boiler is now.Doug butler (talk) 01:30, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I too recall being told a similar story at primary school (Hendon) in the early 1960s, though the other place mentioned was Aden, not Port Said, and the implied issue was for drinking water quality. The story may have become corrupted due to the passage of time, and technology change from the use of coal to oil for ship propulsion. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 02:35, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Moseley Square

Hi Bahudhara

I'm appealing to your photographic interests. Do you have / or could you please take something of the Pioneers' Memorial at Glenelg when you're next down that way? I've just published something on H. Dalton Hall, who modelled the bronze Buffalo on top of the thing, which I found quite interesting. In our dotage we've moved to NSW to be closer to the boys, and the medicos have me on a short leash, so getting to Adelaide myself is unlikely this side of Christmas. Cheers, Doug butler (talk) 23:19, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

No worries, it just so happens that I have a good photo in my archive that I've just uploaded. I'm sorry to hear that you've moved away from Adelaide, as it diminishes the pool of editors willing to attend local meetups. Having said that, I have to admit to not contributing much of late myself, having been just too busy IRL. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 02:48, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Looks good. I've added it to the Dalton Hall article too. Probably need a room at the Ramada Grandiose or a drone to get a closeup of the bronze Buffalo. :} Thanks again. Doug butler (talk) 04:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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FYI

I think that you meant to revert an earlier edit on Waymouth St - I had already improved the content both there and in the NCA article. You clobbered my change and another editor's subsequent changes. I'm not too fussed about its retention, although it was a fairly high-profile incident (the only city bombing that I know of) so I decided that it might as well stay there - but it was not a poor quality edit! 😉 Laterthanyouthink (talk) 14:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Oops - sorry about that, that was indeed my intention, and I missed the later edits. I was concerned that this edit by the IP, and another made to Parkside, South Australia, were very similar to those by a currently blocked IP editor who had been inappropriately inserting details of deaths and murders into various articles. BTW, I believe that there was a factual error, which was also in the ref quoted - the incident was in the then-CPS Credit Union building, the NCA merely occupied one or two of the upper floors. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 14:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

No worries. Yes, that IP has been a pest - I started checking some of their recent edits on other articles, after I'd been flagged by one of my watched pages, and after having to revert or change a lot of them, reported the IP. However it doesn't look as if that one has actually been blocked yet.

I don't feel particularly strongly about it, but as Waymouth St doesn't have much else on it, and someone may conceivably look for "Waymouth Street bombing", perhaps there's a case for keeping a mention of it there? (I linked it to the NCA article with my edit.) The ABC report just says "NCA office", but I'm sure you're right about the building ownership. (As it happens, I was working in a building almost opposite on the day, and remember the incident quite vividly - but don't recall anything else about the building.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:51, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I think you're right, as I did have misgivings about deleting any mention of it completely. There may not be anything else in the article at the moment, but who knows what a Trove search could uncover about what else may have occurred in Waymouth Street (or at any other given locality) since 1836, and where to draw the line on notability, while avoiding sensationalism? In this case there has been a lot of media attention over the years, so I'd suggest a brief mention and link to the NCA article, under a heading of "Incidents". Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 02:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks – I have now sectioned it slightly differently (making way for some more history perhaps!), and tidied a few things up, but feel free to edit further as you wish... Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

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