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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with*'''Support'''or*'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
The Chester Diocese webpage here and Pevsner and Hubbard both refer to it as being dedicated to St John the Baptist. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to St John's Church, Hartford, like just about everyone else here. The proposer's original proposal has been convincingly discredited. Ucucha 12:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The possessive is the normal convention for naming churches, ie. "St Somebody's Church". This does not mean it belongs to the saint, but rather that it is dedicated to the saint. So in this case the title is correct. However the church calls itself "St John's Church" (no baptist). Therefore the title should either stay unchanged, or if it is moved it should be to to St John's Church, Hartford (this is already covered by a redirect). St John the Baptist Church, Hartford is incorrect and against the convention for naming churches. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The proper test in all such matters is usage. What does the church call itself on its own website? What do reliable sources (like the local newspaper) call it? SeptentrionalisPMAnderson 04:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The recently replaced church notice board has a main title of "Hartford Parish Church", with "St John the Baptist" in very small print on the left. The Church of England directory of churches refers to St John's as "St John's Parish Church" (see http://www.achurchnearyou.com/hartford-st-john-the-baptist/). Having read the discussion, I am persuaded in favour of St John's Church, Hartford, which matches common use locally. Icbarton (talk) 11:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I confirm the church notice board refers to it as "Hartford Parish Church" with "St John the Baptist" in small print to the side. I tried to take a picture but it was too dark! Pixie2000 (talk) 21:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.