Talk:Lebanon/Archive 12
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Fake Emblem
Lebanon does not have an official emblem, so it should not appear in the infobox, as shown in the Turkey article. The cedar tree is used in a de facto capacity on some Lebanese documents, but other variations of the cedar or the flag are also used in some cases, so putting a fake emblem in the infobox is unnecessary and misleading. Bill Williams 19:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- The official emblem of Lebanon is the cedar tree. See Israel article that also uses emblems.JJNito197 (talk) 19:29, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Provide a single reliable source that says that the cedar tree is Lebanon's emblem. Bill Williams 05:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- Firstly, ”fake” is the wrong word. Clearly it is not a “fake” national emblem - the Lebanese state and institutions use it in several contexts as noted in this source and this one. Secondly, there are plenty of sources that describe it as Lebanon’s emblem such as this, this or this, or this. Sometimes sources describe it as the national symbol e.g. here, here, or here. Thirdly, I think the point you are tryng to make is that the cedar tree does not have an “official” status (rather than it being “fake”). But what is “official” and why is that a criteria for the infobox? I suspect there isn’t a piece of Lebanese legislation which formally adopted it but as this source says it’s “widely considered” to be the national emblem. That’s good enough. We use plenty of symbols, both past and present, not “formally” adopted in that way but which are so extensively used as to make that irrelevant. At most it could warrant a footnote saying it hasn’t been “officially” adopted - if you can fnd a source to support that statement that is. DeCausa (talk) 10:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- None of those load, please provide a reliable source that isn't a book link to something I can't read. The emblem varies on different uses, so putting a single one at the top of the wikipedia article when it is not de jure is misleading. Bill Williams 23:54, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Firstly, ”fake” is the wrong word. Clearly it is not a “fake” national emblem - the Lebanese state and institutions use it in several contexts as noted in this source and this one. Secondly, there are plenty of sources that describe it as Lebanon’s emblem such as this, this or this, or this. Sometimes sources describe it as the national symbol e.g. here, here, or here. Thirdly, I think the point you are tryng to make is that the cedar tree does not have an “official” status (rather than it being “fake”). But what is “official” and why is that a criteria for the infobox? I suspect there isn’t a piece of Lebanese legislation which formally adopted it but as this source says it’s “widely considered” to be the national emblem. That’s good enough. We use plenty of symbols, both past and present, not “formally” adopted in that way but which are so extensively used as to make that irrelevant. At most it could warrant a footnote saying it hasn’t been “officially” adopted - if you can fnd a source to support that statement that is. DeCausa (talk) 10:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- Provide a single reliable source that says that the cedar tree is Lebanon's emblem. Bill Williams 05:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
This page is chronologically historically unbalanced.
The page seems to focus disproportionately on relatively recent events of the last couple of decades and skip over or skim the surface of many historical events of earlier periods. This needs rectification! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francogrex (talk • contribs) 20:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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In the intro, after the sentence mentioning its religious diversity, can the sentence “Lebanon is considered to be part of the Levant region of the Middle East” it is important to the country’s identity?2600:100C:A201:2245:ECEA:1830:84FF:D32E (talk) 05:21, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Done Of the universe (talk) 09:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Recent edits
Hello @Bbx118:, can you explain your edits and rv please, per Wikipedia:Synthesis and the sources provided the info box is as it stands is sufficent. The Islam section is treated exactly the same as the other denominations - there are 18 state-recognized religious sects, 12 Christian, 5 Muslim (including Druze), 1 Jewish. Merging the sects under the catch all banner of "Catholic" or "Orthodox" would be Wikipedia:No original research and Synth as the denominations are not measured as such per sources provided for the specific religious sects. The schools of Islam (maddhab) within Sunni and Shia are not specified/measured as such. Thank you. JJNito197 (talk) 17:24, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
@Zlogicalape
Zlogicalape, please read WP:ONUS and agree seek to obtain consesnsus here before reverting again per WP:BRD. Don't edit war. DeCausa (talk) 17:29, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2022
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Change ethnicity from Arab to Canaanite Source:
https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-canaanite-lebanese-genetics-20170727-story.html 185.76.177.54 (talk) 11:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Already done In the 'ethnicity' section of the infobox there is a note saying " Many Lebanese Christians do not identify as "Arab" but rather as descendants of the ancient Canaanites and prefer to be called "Phoenician"".
Thanks for your request! Wikipedia is better when users work to improve it! Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 01:55, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Please change this to some “Some Lebanese Christians” as it is not only Maronites who object to the usage of “Arab”. 2600:100C:A21C:E44E:8DBA:2280:EBCA:EF37 (talk) 22:27, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Small error in the religious demographics
The CIA World Factbook estimates (2020) the following (data does not include Lebanon's sizable Syrian and Palestinian refugee populations): Muslim 67.8% (31.9% Sunni, 31.2% Shia, smaller percentages of Alawites and Ismailis), Christian 32.4% (Maronite Catholics are the largest Christian group), Druze 4.5%, and very small numbers of Jews, Baha'is, Buddhists, and Hindus.
This should be Muslim 63.1%. Otherwise you end up over 100%. The mistake is present in the source. 2A02:A46B:202B:1:43D4:9275:33DC:6E9B (talk) 01:33, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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Third language spoken is English. 2A02:1210:3A75:B500:50E1:18FA:1CA1:773 (talk) 23:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 05:16, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
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(MINOR EDIT) In the section French Mandate, the last sentence of the first short paragraph has several errors and does not flow properly. To fix this, first, the comma following "Syria" is changed into a period. Second, the sentence after the period is rewritten to be "However, following the Franco-Syrian war, the Arabs were defeated and the Hashemites capitulated.". Third, this last sentence lacks a source, so a citation is needed. Fourth, I would make the two short paragraphs into one as this would make more sense given the content and the way the reader reads the information. WhoppingWikiEditor (talk) 18:12, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- Not done:
this last sentence lacks a source, so a citation is needed.
– As the requesting editor, the burden of providing reliable sources for your claims is yours. The sentence flows okay currently, but becomes ungrammatical under your suggested edit: The United Kingdom, fearing that Nazi Germany would gain full control of Lebanon and Syria. small jarstc17:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)- it is not my claim that I requested a source for. It is the information that is already presented that has no source. I have not added any new information to this section. I merely suggest that the information as it currently is presented is reworded because it is grammatically incorrect and there are words missing. WhoppingWikiEditor (talk) 13:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Map
The map appears to show Judea and Samaria as part of Jordan. This is incorrect, unless you believe that Jordan annexed Judea and Samaria in 1949, contrary to international law and all relevant UN resolutions Helpfulguy101 (talk) 19:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- I take it that you want it shown as part of the State of Palestine? I can't see a map on this page which includes the West Bank. Which map are you referring to? DeCausa (talk) 21:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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- 95% Arab
AtallaAdam (talk) 13:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: This classification is from the CIA and is the primary source for ethnic groups in all country-related articles. There are people like refugees like Palestinians and Syrians) They make up approximately 30% to 40% of the Lebanese population. They are attributed to the word "Lebanese". If you are one of the people who look at genes, so I want to tell you all the people of the world are mixed genes and what defines an ethnicity now from the rest of the peoples is on a linguistic and cultural basis. Sarah Schneuwly -Schneider (talk) 14:02, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
hello, requesting the possibility of the change the term "Arab" to "Lebanese", "Lebanese Arab" or even "Arabized Levantine", "Levantine", "Levantine Lebanese", due to the fact majority of Lebanese are also either Multi-ethinc people, and the term "Arab" regardless of religious background do attend to offend many Lebanese, including majority of Lebanese "Arabized Lebanese/Levantine people" are of J2, and even R1b Haplo-origins https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2427286/ , https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml , they share common genetics with other Northern Levantine communities, and/or even Armenians, and Chaldeo-Assyrians, and so on.
however maybe those are possible changes too.
I appreciate it.