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Please stop linking this article to the "Sri Lankan Tamil Society" stub. It is a factual error and the Sri Lankan Moors are not part of Tamil Society. Thank you

Good that you logged in. Next time sign your name too. I agree with your edit, the Tamil society doesnt have anything to do with Islam in SL. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 22:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, There is also another concern with user Lahiru K who is constantly adding and reverting unwanted material regarding Islamic Fundamentalism in Sri Lanka. The user has a tendency to post discriminatory articles against Sri Lankan Muslims. Please see that this person does not revert unwanted materials into this article.
I didn't add any unwanted material regarding Islamic Fundamentalism. I just revert the blanking from an IP. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ walkie-talkie 10:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are Sri Lankan Moors shias or sunnis? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiltord (talk • contribs) 18:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Lankan Moors are predominantly Sunnis within the Shafi school of thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.63.71.144 (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The language section contradicts the Alwi discussion immediately above; I'd suggest merging the former into the latter. Penalba2000 (talk) 23:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since this article deals with Islam in Sri Lanka, I suggest that a separate new page be created for the Sri Lankan Moor ethnic group. This page should just deal with the religious aspect rather than the ethnic aspect. For ethnicity, see the Sri Lankan Moors page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.141.72.223 (talk) 20:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Muslims[edit]

A list of notable Sri Lankan Muslims can help expand this page. I know some muslim international cricketers who played for SL like Farvees Maharoof and Jehan Mubarak. Tilakratane Dilshan is also an ex muslim/half muslim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.104.29 (talk) 08:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy and Paste isn't allowed in Wikipedia[edit]

someone from this IP address 112.135.59.83 seems copy pasted. it was reverted back to the legit one. Gryphes (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Islam in Sri Lanka[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Islam in Sri Lanka's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "population":

  • From Sri Lankan Tamil people: Department of Census and Statistics of Sri Lanka. "Population by Ethnicity according to District" (PDF). statistics.gov.lk. Retrieved 3 May 2007.
  • From Tamil people: Department of Census and Statistics of Sri Lanka, Population by Ethnicity according to District (PDF), statistics.gov.lk, retrieved 3 May 2007

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 17:13, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Claim that 50% of Sri Lankans are Muslims[edit]

I edited this page to remove the unsourced claim that 50% of Sri Lankans are Muslims. User:Wasifwasif has reverted my edit to reinsert the claim. I have just removed it again. I am not a Sri Lanka expert, but from what I know about the country, this is a facially false statement. If someone can prove me wrong by citing a reputable source, then please do. Until then, this claim should not appear in this article.

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Template:Islam in South Asia[edit]

I like to add this template to this page but not sure what the problem is. This page is part of a series on Islam in South Asia. Please help! 65.95.136.96 (talk) 14:25, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So? What is your reason behind this? Saying, "Please help" is not going to help at all. (121.219.22.188 (talk) 08:24, 5 October 2017 (UTC))[reply]

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Edit war[edit]

See the edit war and help as per having neural point. --AntanO 07:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have added some template where it need to discuss and add reliable source. --AntanO 08:14, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some reference:

--AntanO 08:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need for spurious sources, please see the official information published by the Department of Muslim religious and Cultural Affairs at http://muslimaffairs.gov.lk/muslims-of-sri-lanka/

--Floating Philosopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floating philosopher (talk • contribs) 09:59, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Refer WP:RS --AntanO 10:35, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The user has removed many contents with references and failed to say why there were not reliable source and failed to add reliable sources. Also removed templates. See diff 1, diff 2 --AntanO 10:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The removed/alternate content are as follows

The Sri Lankan Moors are native speakers of the Tamil language while a few of them speak Sinhala as primary language, and follow Islam as their religion. Sri Lankan Moors comprise 9.3% (2012 Census) of Sri Lanka’s population, and is the largest ethnic group within the Muslim community in the country.[1]

Islam made its way to Sri Lanka aboard the merchant ships operated by the Moor traders between Serendib (Old Persian / Arabic name for Sri Lanka), and various ports in the Arabian Peninsula and North Africa. Sri Lankan Moors are descendants of sea farers and traders that travelled between China and the Arabian Peninsula[citation needed], in what was known as the Maritime Silk Road. These sea farers based their operations in Colombo, Galle, Puttalam and Beruwala situated on the west coast of the island, which lay conveniently at the mid-point of the Maritime Silk Road. Moors make up a significant portion of the population in these cities today.

Contradict of origin

Several genealogical theories point out that they belong to Tamil ethnicity and the majority of their ancestors were Tamils who had lived in the country spanning generations, and had simply converted to Islam from Hinduism.[2][3][4] Other theories claim that they are all descendants of the Arabs who had settled in the island and therefore a different ethnic group. This view is held by the Sinhalese favoring section of the Moors as well as the Sri Lanka government which controversially lists them as a separate ethnic group. The Moors as per the Sri Lanka government's definition of a separate 'ethnic' community comprise about 9.7%[5] of the country's population. This classification and their exclusion from the rest of ethnic Tamils has been critically challenged by several sources.[2][4][6]

Some scholars of Tamil[who?] origin, and other scholars[who?] that base their research on the former source have insisted that this community is of Tamil origin however recent genealogical studies have debunked these claims.[7][failed verification][8][dubious – discuss]

--AntanO 10:54, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If user failed to justify, I can add them again. --AntanO 11:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A user added Genetic studies have have shown they are all descendants of the Arabs who had settled in the island. But, there is nothing about this in the reference. Actually, it is for book. Did arab bring woman with them or married local woman in Sri Lanka? If they married in Sri Lanka, definitely they will have genetic relationship with native Sri Lankans. Or, does the study limited to male/female linage? --AntanO 11:15, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ "Census of Population and Housing 2011". www.statistics.gov.lk. Retrieved 2017-12-17.
  2. ^ a b Mohan, Vasundhara (1987). Identity Crisis of Sri Lankan Muslims. Delhi: Mittal Publications. pp. 9–14, 27–30, 67–74, 113–118.
  3. ^ "Ross Brann, "The Moors?"" (PDF).
  4. ^ a b "Analysis: Tamil-Muslim divide". BBC News World Edition. Retrieved 6 July 2014.
  5. ^ "Census of Population and Housing 2011". www.statistics.gov.lk. Retrieved 2017-12-17.
  6. ^ Zemzem, Akbar (1970). The Life and Times of Marhoom Wappichi Marikar (booklet). Colombo.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)
  7. ^ PAPIHA, S.S.; MASTANA, S.S.; JAYASEKARA, R. (1996). "Genetic Variation in Sri Lanka". Human Biology. 68 (5): 707–737.
  8. ^ "Race in Sri Lanka: What genetic evidence tells us | The Sundaytimes Sri Lanka". www.sundaytimes.lk. Retrieved 2017-12-18.

Removing References to information debunked by science[edit]

Hi, I am removing information and references to out-dated and debunked sources that claim Moors are Tamil in ethnicity. I will cite sources to official announcements of this. This page has been repeatedly giving prominence to the debunked theories from Tamil scholars and those that reference these scholars which have been superseded by statements made my the Sri Lankan Moors and the Prof. Ruwan Illeperuma's genealogy studies. I can see the need for this has been mentioned on this talk page before. Floating Philosopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floating philosopher (talk • contribs) 07:29, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Are you aware of WP:RS--AntanO 07:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
yes I am and I feel I am conforming to it. Please stop edit warring if you do not have better information.

Rewrite needed[edit]

Editors on this page are trying to supersede genetic evidence by spurious studies carried out in the colonial period. They are trying to preserve texts that are directly contradicted by genetics. This page needs more users. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floating philosopher (talk • contribs) 08:45, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am reverting changes made by AntanO as this is a duplication of content from another page that deals with a contradiction. Why do we want to duplicate wrong information. I will limit information to only that of scientific sources until i can clean up the Sri Lankan Moors Page. Best Regards Floating Philosopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floating philosopher (talk • contribs) 08:51, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly please stop edit warring. Also duplication of information is sometimes necessary, since it may be necessary to summarise information covered elsewhere on wikipedia if it's of particular relevance to the subject of the article. Obviously "wrong information" is a problem, but you should concentrate on what the reliable sources say. It's not up to you to decide information is "wrong" if it's supported by sources. If other sources say it's wrong, it may be both should be covered depending on various factors (like how well supported by sources both POVs are, including issues like source age). Also from what I can tell, these 3 threads basically covering the same thing. There's no need for 3 seperate threads on this talk page covering the same subject. Please discuss stuff under the existing threads rather than continually opening new ones. Nil Einne (talk) 12:14, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I have removed these items because it does not summarize information but merely duplicates it within another article. That is why I removed it. Readers can go to the relevent article and read it. I have not been edit warring, AntanO keeps edit warring with me, and keep edits that are unnecessary and take away the focus from this article. So please stop undoing my edits and add your comments here, just like you are telling me to do. Therefore I am reverting these edits to clean up the article and if you or any other author thinks differently please add it to this thread and we can discuss it just like you keep saying. Best Regards Floating Philosopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floating philosopher (talk • contribs) 12:36, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The information seems fairly relevant to this article and is at least partially sourced. If you feel it is too long, you should summarise it rather than deleting itwholesale. If you feel it is "debunked" please provide the sources which demonstrate this. Nil Einne (talk) 08:21, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 18 December 2017[edit]

Hi I wish to reliably summarize sections and replace older theories of the orgin of Sri Lankan Moors with reference to modern genetic conclusion that debunk them. Floating philosopher (talk) 12:50, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:29, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, my changes have been made before the page was locked and therefore no more needs to be done. Thank you for locking this page as other authors edit war without giving a justified reason for undoing my edits. User:Floating Philosopher —Preceding undated comment added 14:07, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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