Talk:Gregory of Narek/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: An anonymous username, not my real name (talk · contribs) 23:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

This needs some significant work. Reading through it as someone with minimal background knowledge:

• The intro needs to be completely rewritten. It is way too short for the article's length and what it does mention doesn't give readers a good idea of his life or who he was.
  • expanded per major points in the article
• Gregory's birth and death dates are placed by scholars circa 945–951 and 1003 or 1010–11, respectively. This statement doesn't need six citations.
  • Removed citations that had duplicate dates
• He lived in the Armenian Kingdom of Vaspurakan, which is "notable for the high cultural level that it achieved." Explain what exactly the Kingdom of Vaspurakan was.
  • removed vague "high cultural level" line and added information the kingdom and it's geographic importance.
• His father was suspected of pro-Byzantine Chalcedonian beliefs and was eventually excommunicated by Catholicos Anania Mokatsi for his interpretation of the rank of Catholicos as being equivalent to that of a bishop, based on the works of Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite. This could be given much more elaboration.
  • Elaborated and clarified to make it more understandable to readers with no major background knowledge of religious history
• The latter was his maternal great-uncle and a celebrated scholar who had elevated the status of Narekavank to new heights. How did he elevate it "to new heights"?
  • Sentence not present in sources, removed.
• Arshag Chobanian and Manuk Abeghian believe he did, while Hrant Tamrazian... Some explanation is needed as to who these people are. Also, the text for "Hrant Tamrazian" links straight to Armenian Wikipedia with no warning.
  • Fixed.
• ...when the monastery was destroyed by the Turkish authorities... Why was it destroyed?
  • No official reason was ever given, this is generally viewed as a part of a systematic destruction campaign in Turkey, added relevant content and citations (from the Armenian genocide denial article) and links.
• ...and the "most beloved work of Armenian literature."... Who described it as that?
  • Attributed
• Any information about the Book of Lamentations' popularity outside of Armenia?
  • the book's subsection has information about translations, which implies some popularity, but I count find anything else about it's popularity outside of Armenia and the Armenian diaspora
• In the Other works section, many parts read more like an essay than encyclopedia article.
  • Tried to improve it and removed seemingly random information and tried to make it more easily understandable, will continue to work on this.
    • I think it is in a much better shape now, I would reword it more per feedback
• According to Hrachik Mirzoyan, Gregory created up to 2,500 new Armenian words, although many of which are not actively used. How about naming a few examples?
  • Added examples and tried to integrate it to the text as best as possible.
• Fix the clarification tag.
  • Fixed.
• Armenian-Russian critic Karen A. Stepanyan... Again, another direct link to Armenian Wikipedia.
  • Fixed.
• The latter describes the Book of Lamentations as "the most immoral, unhealthy, poisonous book, a work that had debilitated the Armenians as a nation. The Armenians remain defeated in trying to emulate Grigor's miserable, maimed soul." What was his reason for saying this?
  • Added reasons and related quote in the citation.

That's all I've noticed for now, but I will continue scrutinizing. Don't be discouraged; this article definitely has potential.

@Kevo327:, are you going to address these issues at some point? It's been a while, and you have neither improved the page nor acknowledged this review. --An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 15:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

An anonymous username, not my real name, I'm sorry for not addressing the points as I didn't see them until the ping, I'm now looking into these. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 15:59, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

It's completely okay. Thank you for getting started. --An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 16:27, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I have addressed some of your points above and will continue to do the rest tomorrow, please provide feedback on my edits and the rest of the article (if and when other issues are noticed), and thank you for your work. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 20:51, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

An anonymous username, not my real name, I have addressed all the points you have currently mentioned. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 14:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it looks good now. Before I finalize it, could you possibly add a See also section? His life touches on many different topics, so it shouldn't be difficult. --An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 16:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@An anonymous username, not my real name:, also done, thank you for your thoughtful review. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 17:09, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Excellent work. This is a well-written and informative article, and I think you should consider nominating it for DYK. --An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 18:53, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

An anonymous username, not my real name, I am already thinking of appropriate hooks for DYK. I have one last thing to ask from you, could you send me one of standard messages (via legobot) that indicate my nomination has passed? I would like to document and archive the articles I worked on promoting on a subpage of my user talk. Thank you for your contributions. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 19:46, 6 February 2022 (UTC)