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Cesena Rockin' 1000?

Just thought that there should a small section about the "Rockin' 1000" band from Cesena, Italy, who successfully recruited the FF to play there by recording a video of the 1000 playing "Learn to fly". The section is nowhere to be found.2602:306:CD9B:E9A0:5560:1889:FD95:84E (talk) 04:34, 1 April 2017 (UTC)ES

What do you mean, "the section is nowhere to be found"? It doesn't need to be a whole section – where's your source? 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 04:56, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Well for example, see http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/foo-fighters-play-27-song-set-to-the-1000-learn-to-fly-rockers-in-italy-a6720481.html 151.20.200.176 (talk) 12:50, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
I could see it as a passing sentence or two in the appropriate part of the history section, but it definitely wouldn't need its own section... Sergecross73 msg me 13:03, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Foo Fighters to play in Thai Dictatorship

It's been confirmed that the Foo Fighters are willing to join the collection of bands open to playing in nations under dictatorships. Whether this is the first time I am not sure but they have confirmed that they will play under the Junta in Thailand [1] NaturalEquality (talk) 02:49, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.khaosodenglish.com/life/arts/2017/04/24/foo-fighters-tipped-bangkok-return-21-years/

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Merge proposal

I began a discussion recently suggesting that bands should only have members subpages if they have had large numbers of line-up changes. I don't believe that having a members subpage for this band is necessary, as there are only two former members, a lot of the information there can already be found at the main article, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The touring members can simply be listed in the band members section, and there's then no arguing over where the timeline should belong. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 00:52, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Support - there's nothing so complicated in their lineup history that requires a second article. Sergecross73 msg me 00:57, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Against - the article about the band members contains a considerable amount of important information, that, if transferred over to the band article would make it over-bloated. As such if the two articles were merged then I suspect that much of the detailed information would be lost into an abridged version. Therefore it needs its own article.QuintusPetillius (talk) 18:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
...Like what? They've had few changes, and the changes are already documented here throughout the history section. Sergecross73 msg me 18:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
No, it also has the touring members, both former and current. Added to that it states which releases each band member started on. For example Taylor Hawkins may have joined the band in 1997, but the first actual Foo Fighters release he appeared on was the Everlong single on two of the B-sides. Wikipedia gives us the opportunity to go beyond the generic histories that you read online and add more detail. That is what its about. And the band members article is in no way dictionary.QuintusPetillius (talk) 20:35, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
QuintusPetillius, there is nothing that would be lost by moving the to the main article what little information we have to in order to complete the merge. The subpage has only four sources, which isn't enough, and listing the touring members in the members section of the main article will not bloat the section. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 22:41, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Well, unless you do a straightforward copy and paste, I am willing to bet that there will be information that is lost.QuintusPetillius (talk) 11:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Let's test that theory. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 11:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Well, you have just proved my theory right; taking Taylor Hawkins as one example, it says that he has been in the band since 1997 - which is true but he did not appear on the band's studio album which came out in 1997 which could mean that the article info as it is now is mis-leading. Same could be said for Nate Mendell, yes he has been in the band since 1995, but he did not appear on the band's studio album that came out in 1995. Thus, without the opinion of other editors, consensus has yet to be reached.QuintusPetillius (talk)
This is the case at most (if not all) band articles, though. If anything, it encourages readers to look at each article's history section to find out this kind of information, which isn't a bad thing to ask of readers. The article isn't misleading without this information; there are just less unnecessary details. You're more than welcome to contribute to the discussion that I've linked above, which should give you a bit of an idea as to why I'm doing this. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 22:58, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Name

Is their name supposed to be treated as singular? The Mo-Ja'al (talk) 16:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes. The band is a singular entity per US grammar rules for a US band. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Taylor as a past member

It’s premature to list Taylor Hawkins as a “past member”, even with his death. If the band decides to call it quits after his death, he’ll not be a past member. Regardless, it’s up to the band to make an announcement, not the dorky editors of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.37.45.195 (talk) 17:02, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

He's deceased and the band hasn't called it quits. If you're editing a Wikipedia talk page, aren't you "dorky" too? Be WP:CIVIL. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:10, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2019

Please fix the Band Members timeline. There are 8 black lines that cross the chart diagonally. This has benn broken for almost a month. Thanks Juanboca666 (talk) 19:13, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: I see no diagonal lines across the timeline. NiciVampireHeart 19:34, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Lead/rhythm guitar labels

Does anyone have any sources confirming this? People fight over it constantly. Does the band even distinguish the roles between lead and rhythm? There's very little in the way of guitar solos or distinguishable lead roles. Unless they officially say, it seems more like all three should just be labeled "guitar" and that's it. Sergecross73 msg me 16:30, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

4TheWynne - Care to comment on this, as you certainly aren't hesitant to revert on this, despite leaving this unaddressed for 2 months? Sergecross73 msg me 04:12, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
My sincerest apologies – I didn't even see this one, or else I would have answered straight away. That wasn't even my biggest problem with the revert – I wasn't focusing on this issue (I was more looking at backing vocals, reverting the whole thing, etc.), and was otherwise just going by what had been there most of the time. I'm quite happy to change all of them to "guitar" – I don't see how there would be a problem with that. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 04:21, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Okay, that's a good compromise I suppose. While I felt all the "backing vocals" stuff was a bit excessive too, it looks okay with all the guitar delineations removed. Sergecross73 msg me 13:36, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I wanted to state that while "guitars" is a fine label for the timeline, I wanted to at least change Chris Shiflett to lead guitar as that is primarily what he plays, he performs lead guitar riffs. As someone who can distinguish the patterns between the lead and rhythm players of a band, I can say that Chris is the lead one who is not mooching the bass and rhythm patterns. In addition he performs basic lead guitar solos while Pat Smear and Dave Grohl keep the rhythm, I would love to hear other opinions on this matter so we could eventually come to a good compromise and I am just getting this off my chest for now, thanks.--Miked1992 (talk) 22:08, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Miked1992--Miked1992 (talk) 22:08, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

This doesn't answer the proposed question - what do sources commonly say? Sergecross73 msg me 23:24, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Sources do commonly say that Chris Shiflett plays lead currently while pat Smear and Dave Grohl commonly play rhythm[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miked1992 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Miked1992, you'll need to look a bit harder than that. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 22:37, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I have no opinion about who is lead guitar or when, but the chart seemed a little messy. Changing my edits is fine, but make sure the chart looks good after your edit. Because it looked messed up before. Minimax Regret (talk) 21:38, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Update: A Year Later I have found some sources that support Chris Shiflett as Lead Guitarist.[2][3][4]

References

  1. ^ https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/exclusive-foo-fighters-chris-shiflett-solo-sojourn/
  2. ^ (2020), https://www.uberproaudio.com/who-plays-what/341-foo-fighters-chris-shiflett-guitar-gear-rig-and-equipment, Retrieved, April 22, 2020
  3. ^ (2019), Beaugez Jim, https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/foo-fighters-chris-shiflett-discusses-his-countrified-new-solo-album-hard-lessons, Retrieved, July 11, 2019
  4. ^ (2019), Green Alex, https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/foo-fighters-chris-shiflett-having-kids-makes-you-a-more-reflective-human-being-38164659.html, Retrieved May 31, 2019

Miked1992 (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Miked1992Miked1992 (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

If it took you a year to find a handful of sources about 1 of the bands 3 guitarists, that’s probably a sign that it’s not the most common conception... Sergecross73 msg me 20:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Actually Sergecross73 msg me, I took a break from Wikipedia Editing for about a year, now I am back and at least trying to make edits better even if I get a lot of scorn it. It actually took me less than a day to find all of these sources, I am not trying to create an edit war, I just am trying to make my voice heard.Miked1992 (talk) 21:25, 23 April 2020 (UTC)Miked1992Miked1992 (talk) 21:25, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, but that still puts you at a handful of questionable sources about 1 of 3 guitarists, about a trivial matter. Sergecross73 msg me 00:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenth album draft

Similar to how I did with Fear Inoculum last year, I've created a draft for the upcoming Foo Fighters album. There's plenty of sourcing and content, but since it still doesn't have a name, so I doubt it being published would go well until we've got that.

Not that I plan on going anywhere, but if the album is announced, feel free to publish this to the mainspace. I'd much prefer that, then someone writing one of those sloppy two sentenced articles that leads to all sorts of notability/merge arguments. Its ready for mainspace, it just needs a title. Sergecross73 msg me 22:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Looks like it may be being teased again ... https://www.nme.com/news/music/looks-like-foo-fighters-are-teasing-news-of-their-10th-album-2808999 Sergecross73 msg me 16:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Unconfirmed, but seems possible - https://ultimateclassicrock.com/foo-fighters-medicine-at-midnight-teaser/ Sergecross73 msg me 16:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Backing Vocals - Touring or full members?

The three backing vocalists listed as "Touring Members" on the page perform on several tracks on the band's latest album. Should they be moved up to the current members section or stay as touring members? Boomerthebobcat (talk) 21:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, you'd be hard-pressed to call them actual members of the Foo Fighters. Pretty sure that's not the right direction. Sergecross73 msg me 21:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Foo Fighters or the Foo Fighters?

The article uses the definite article ("the") inconsistently. An extremely cursory initial glance of sources used in the article indicate to me that "the" is possibly used in the majority of reliable sources, including by Grohl ("Maybe this could be another fun way to be the Foo Fighters", Rolling Stone).

Note that just because the band is credited as "Foo Fighters" on Spotify etc doesn't mean that they're not, or can't be, referred to with the definite article; see also the Spice Girls, which are exclusively credited as "Spice Girls" but always referred to as "the Spice Girls". Popcornfud (talk) 13:37, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

What about on the covers of all their albums? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:48, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
See also all the covers of the Spice Girls albums. None of them say "the Spice Girls" but that's what everyone says in sentences.
The use of "the" in band names is honestly no different from other proper nouns. We say the White House, the Eiffel Tower, and the New York Rangers, but Bush House, Tokyo Tower and Glasgow Rangers. It's decided based on precedent and common use.
We need to go by what the majority of sources use. Or if there's no consensus across sources we can pick one and explain the discrepancy in a note. Popcornfud (talk) 14:04, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Using the iniquitous GoogleSearch, "the Foo Fighters" gives me "about 4,470,000 results", while "Foo Fighters" gives me "about 127,000,000 results" i.e. over 27 times as many. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:13, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Can you link to the results? What sources is that going by? Is it getting that result because it's including every use of "the Foo Fighters" as a use of "Foo Fighters"? Popcornfud (talk) 14:15, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Just an edit to add, I have absolutely no preference about which we use, I just want to make sure we're not doing it at random. Popcornfud (talk) 14:35, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Well yes, I assumed the 4.47 million was included in the 127 million. By all means do a comparative search where you are. At least there should be no contaminating alternate meanings. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
I believe its technically just "Foo Fighters", but adding a "the" in there makes the prose sound better. Not saying it's right or wrong, just my observation on what has happened. I watch over and maintain the article, but most of it hasn't been written by me. Sergecross73 msg me 15:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
The reason why "the Foo Fighters" feels more natural is that there is a tendency to ascribe "the" to plural countable nouns in English. No one is tempted to write "the Radiohead" or "the Led Zeppelin" or "the U2", but if your band is called (the) Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins, Beastie Boys or Dixie Chicks, and you're not consistent or clear about including "the", then get ready for a lifetime of confusion among fans and journalists. It's especially awkward when writing "Foo Fighters are..." because then it sounds like Foo Fighters are sort of naturally occurring elements in the universe as opposed to a specific entity.
As ever I think only use in sources can give us the answer. Popcornfud (talk) 18:01, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

11th album source

Probably the new Studio 666 soundtrack. Crazyeditor23 (talk) 03:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I doubt that. That's not generally being called progressive rock. Sergecross73 msg me 03:13, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

New drummer already?

There's been updates here where Phil Collins son, Nic Collins, was the new drummer. No sources. Should this be reverted until more info comes out? Unless it is, and it's way far back. Crazyeditor23 (talk) 22:34, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Wiped. Very much should not be included without citations. Popcornfud (talk) 22:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Dave Grohl's role

Source of the page says there's consensus about it, but I don't see section about it here, I don't know how they got that, so let's discuss it's here. I think that Dave Grohl should be listed as "vocals, guitar, occasional drums". He only played bass on the first album so it's resonable to say he shouldn't be listed as bassist, but he also played drums on other studio recordings, including most of the "The Colour and the Shape" and unspecified portion of "There is nothing left to lose", and he played drums during some live performances throughout the years, usually when Taylor Hawkins sang lead vocals. Obligatory "sorry for bed englisch", I'm not native speaker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.242.212.176 (talk) 00:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

The section isn't meant to document every instrument they've ever touched in their life. It's just an overview. People get so carried adding detail that it gets difficult to read. Just keep it to basic, common roles. The other stuff can be (and is) documenting on the individual album/EP/song article. Sergecross73 msg me 00:33, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Taylor shouldn't be a 'Past Member'.

Taylor didn't leave the band, nor was he fired. I, and a lot of other fans, don't feel like he should be moved to 'Past Members'; certainly not yet anyway. Definitely not until we know what Dave and the guys will be doing moving forward. If they choose to call it quits after this, we still believe they would want Taylor to be included in the 'Current Members' list. Can someone please change it back until after Dave makes a statement on the future of the band? 2001:8003:9143:A601:4:86B2:D1F3:9F2E (talk) 11:20, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Um, "what Dave and the guys will be doing moving forward" won't include having Hawkins back in the band. If they fold the band, they'll all be past members. If you are a fan, you might find the band's website is more in line with your suggestion, but for now it's pretty standard practice here to describe the deceased as "Past members". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Should the band call it quits, Hawkins can definitely be included under Final lineup (in the same vein as bands like The Cranberries), but unless that happens, as sad and unfortunate as it is, Hawkins is forevermore a former member (which isn't just reserved for people who leave or are fired from bands). 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 11:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Taylor Swift Hawkins is no longer a member of the Foo Fighters. Popcornfud (talk) 11:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Yes, it's as simple as that, with the only real consolation being what 4TheWynne said. Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Of course, Taylor Swift never was a member of the Foo Fighters in the first place. Popcornfud (talk) 13:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I didn't even notice your typo. Sergecross73 msg me 13:32, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Grohl would be nothing without Swift. Popcornfud (talk) 13:35, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Band is not broken up as far as we know

Why does this article currently say that the band broke up after Taylor's passing? The sidebar has everyone under "Former members" now and the opening of the article mentions the band' "dissolution", yet I cannot find a single source anywhere that states this to actually be the case. Unless somebody knows something I don't, that should probably be changed. 2001:1998:3500:547:0:0:0:5DC (talk) 18:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

The unreferenced edits made by one person have been reverted. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I've warned the editor who did this that they would be blocked if they did that again. As you say, it's incorrect. There has been no announcement of the band breaking up. Sergecross73 msg me 18:39, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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