Talk:Conlanging: The Art of Crafting Tongues

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Rectification[edit]

If I may allow myself to make a small rectification regarding the template above: neither Sai nor Christine Schreyer have ever been paid to edit Wikipedia. Sai (founder of the LCS) and Dr. Schreyer (co-producer of the film) may be assumed to have a conflict of interest in this case (disclosed in both cases), but I can guarantee you that the LCS has never paid anybody for editing WP. —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 00:48, 26 December 2017 (UTC) (Vice President of the LCS).[reply]

Even if there is no direct "payment of a specific amount for this or that edit", editing on topics with which you have a financial conflict of interest (such as an employer or organization, or a funded project) is considered "paid editing". You can read WP:PAID or meta:Terms of use/FAQ on paid contributions without disclosure. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 01:05, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how I read those. The key sentence is: "There is a direct quid pro quo exchange: money for edits". It is explicitly stated in the ToU that an employee who is encouraged to write about his institution without more specific instruction, does not fall in this category. Which logically is even more the case if the employee in question acts independently of his employer. Besides, the LCS is an organisation of volunteers, and neither of the two persons you mentioned have ever received a penny for their services. I can follow your logic, but be honest, if a member of a political party adds something to the corresponding article, perhaps hoping to influence election results, which in turn might influence his career, it's quite a stretch to call that "paid editing".

And on a sidenote, I think this constant focus on editors instead of edits is dangerous and unhealthy for the project. Ultimately, there are only good edits and bad edits. If an edit is good, it doesn't matter who made it, if it's bad, it should be removed no matter who made it. —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 01:45, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Look, I've downgraded the template from "paid" to "connected" (as it is on the LCS article), if indeed all staffers and admins of LCS are unpaid volunteers then of course it makes the whole thing a lot grayer. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 01:56, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I asked for, thank you very much! Regards, —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 02:02, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm that all LCS directors, officers, & staff are unpaid volunteers. The only exceptions I can think of are people hired to create a language (who are paid by the customer); rare reimbursements (not stipends) for conference speakers; and a recent proposal (not yet effectuated) to pay people who contribute articles to Fiat Lingua. I personally have never received a cent from the LCS other than reimbursement for out of pocket costs of things bought for and owned by the LCS. Sai ¿?✍ 18:30, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do you intend to also add all the subjects, producers, etc of the film to the COI list? (I'm not sure where to find a full list of interviewees other than the film itself; I can pull screencaps if needed, as I think it's in the full end credits.) Sai ¿?✍ 18:38, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just those who edit the article. ;) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 22:17, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution[edit]

Copied reference from Conlanging: The Art of Crafting Tongues to Language Creation Society. See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:02, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Indiegogo[edit]

The movie Conlanging: The Art of Crafting Tongues should be listed as one of the five largest crowd-funded movies ever created. The impact of the Language Creation Society should be mentioned, too. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:46, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unintroduced name[edit]

'Watkins' is referred to towards the end of the lede without being previously introduced.82.30.116.63 (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]