Talk:Alternative historical interpretations of Joan of Arc

Denial

This is blatant Joan of Arc denial. How dare you. Shame on you all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.232.41 (talk) 06:01, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Vita Sackville-West

I very much doubt that Sackville-West suggested Joan had been gay in 1993, given that she died in 1962. Are you sure you're not thinking of somebody else? No, not exactly.

There is nothing to suggest this in Vita Sackville-West's book. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC).

Explanation

I'll probably be crucified for the boldness, but per WP:TRIV I moved the article here and broke out Name of Joan of Arc. Here is some material that I now don't know what to do with, as it is unreferenced. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 08:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Joan of Arc facts and trivia covers topics of specialized interest that pertain to the life and legacy of Joan of Arc. For art, literature, and popular culture references see Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc.

Trivia

Joan of Arc dictated her letters. Three of the surviving ones are signed.

Portrait

Joan of Arc drawing by Clément de Fauquembergue, 1429.

The only surviving image of Joan of Arc that was made during her lifetime is a sketch by Clément de Fauquembergue in the register for the Parlement of Paris. This accompanied the news of her victory at Orléans. She had never been near Paris at that point in her career, so he could not have known what she looked like.

Duel

Joan of Arc inspired a nineteenth century duel between Henri Rochefort and Paul de Cossagnac. The two men disputed a published article about her.

Asteroid

The asteroid 127 Johanna, discovered by P.M. Henry in 1872, is probably named after Joan of Arc.

Fashion

Joan of Arc's short haircut had a profound effect on women's hairstyles in the twentieth century. In 1909, the Paris hairdresser Antoine took Joan of Arc as the inspiration for the bob, which ended centuries of taboo against women who cut their hair. The style became popular in the 1920s and was associated with liberated women. Nearly all subsequent Western hair fashions are designed for women who cut their hair at least occasionally.

Mexican history

During the Cristero War in 1927, a group of female Cristeros named themselves after Joan of Arc. They obtained money, supplies, and intelligence for the male combatants. They often smuggled weapons into war zones and cared for the wounded. By the end of the war they had 35,000 participants.

People compared to Joan of Arc

• Ani Pachen, referred to as "The Tibetan Joan of Arc"
• Lalla Fatma N'Soumer, referred to as "The Joan of Arc of Kabylie"
• Sarah Taylor, referred to as "The Tennessee Joan of Arc"
• Yulia Tymoshenko, "Joan of Arc of the Orange Revolution"
• Gabriela Silang, 'Joan of Arc of the Ilocos Region, (Philippines)'
• Teresa Magbanua, 'Joan of Arc of the Visayas Region, (Philippines)'

Relics and sites

The Joan of Arc museum at Chinon, France has a charred bone fragment reputed to belong to Joan of Arc. Its authenticity is unconfirmed and appears to be unlikely, given the circumstances of her death. The English ordered her body burned to ashes and the ashes cast in the Seine river. The Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City has a helmet in its arms and armor collection with a legendary attribution to Joan of Arc. The museum makes no claims that this legend is true but notes that the helmet dates from the right time period.

Several locations associated with Joan of Arc still exist, including the house where she was born at Domrémy-la-Pucelle. The site has been converted to a museum. The adjacent church has undergone extensive alterations since the fifteenth century but still contains a fourteenth century statue of St. Margaret before which Joan of Arc probably prayed. By contrast, the royal castle at Chinon is now a ruin. Little more than the outer wall remains. One wall remains of the great hall where she met Charles VII.

Taxil hoax

Why is the Taxil hoax referred to in the See Also? It doesn't have anything to do with Joan. Xxanthippe (talk) 10:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC).

Need to change the title to fit the article

Right now the title is Alternative historical interpretations of Joan of Arc. But the first sentence is

Joan of Arc facts and trivia covers topics of specialized interest that pertain to the life and legacy of Joan of Arc.

implying that the title is Joan of Arc facts and trivia. In fact, though, that phrase doesn't even redirect here.

Of the three major sections, the first two are on facts and trivia and the third is on alternative historical interpretations. This all needs to be altered to something sensible. Either the page should be moved over redirect to Joan of Arc facts and trivia (if alternative interpretations are considered to be a subset of that), or the lead and first two major sections need to be moved to a different article called Joan of Arc facts and trivia (in which case a new lead needs to be written for what remains). 204.11.158.204 (talk) 23:04, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Lord Woodhouselee

I added the Lord Woodhouselee passage, now reverted, because it is interesting, and because it has some credibility. Most versions of the story of Joan of Arc involve some sort of supernatural intervention. How does an uneducated peasant girl correctly identify the king? How does she take command of troops and employ effective tactics? Stories about Joan of Arc satisfy all sorts of agendas. It is a great David and Goliath story. It shows how French patriotism and the monarchy is ordained by God. It is so convenient that the English turned out to be damned Protestants. Shakespeare's problem was explaining to English audiences how English Real Men can get defeated by the French. By any reasonable Real Man standards, Charles VII was a successful king. During his reign, the foreign invaders were driven out, and the country unified. Yet, he is depicted as an incompetent weakling.

I would actually try to re-introduce this. The whole Joan of Arc wikipedia article has an unduly apologetic and feminist-centric tone to it, rather than just trying to be factual. Additionally, by the accepted account she was 19 when she was martyred, but yet how many different battles was she in? The earlier pope's decision declaring her a martyr could have been political as much as anything else. Also, I can't help but wonder if Catholics are trying to defend their saint, like they have done with the Mother Teresa article in the past. Nodekeeper (talk) 18:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

This page is about alternative historical interpretations.

JHowardGibson (talk) 07:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

It may be interesting to you, but Wikipedia requires independent sources that attest to its interest. Besides, the extract was too long and out of balance. Xxanthippe (talk) 10:11, 29 February 2016 (UTC).

Is the theory that she was a Lesbian considered worhty on inclusion here?

I'm not qualified to add the section myself, but I am curious why it isn't here already?--JaredMithrandir (talk) 14:34, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

No, because there is no evidence for it. Anyway, this is the wrong venue. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:52, 5 April 2018 (UTC).

Theories on Origins

There are a number of books claiming she was English, Italian, or various other ethnic identities. I don't think those ideas are covered in this article. Nor does it cover the claim she was a Grand Master of the Knights Templar which appears in at least one book. Conversely, some books claim she never had any role in an army at all, which doesn't seem to be covered here either. Cookncrem (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)