[WikiEN-l] Classification of China?

Fri Apr 25 23:53:41 UTC 2003

The criteria are control of the press, repression of political speech,
imprisonment of those who atempt to organize an opposing political party or
a union, etc.

Fred

> From: Vicki Rosenzweig <vr at redbird.org>
> Reply-To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:31:58 -0400
> To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Classification of China?
> 
> At 05:16 PM 4/25/03 -0600, Fred Bauder wrote:
>> I intend to speak truth. China (and the Catholic church, for another
>> example) are authoritarian. \ It is not merely a matter of the opinion of
>> vague critics. There are objective criteria which if met constitute an
>> authoritarian government.
> 
> This concerns me, not because I disagree, but because I don't know
> what objective criteria Fred is using, and because almost anyone who
> promotes a point of view sincerely believes that he or she is speaking
> truth.
> 
> The determination to speak truth, while admirable, is not the same as
> NPOV, which is our policy.
> 
> 
>> Fred
>> 
>>> From: Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren at yahoo.com>
>>> Reply-To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
>>> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:32:01 -0700 (PDT)
>>> To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Classification of China?
>>> 
>>> You can't just say "China is an evil totalitarian
>>> country" (I know that's not what you said) or even
>>> "China is a controlling country" because that's an
>>> opinion, not a fact. The communist party in China
>>> might think "We're not controlling or authoritarian,
>>> we just want the best for our citizens", which makes
>>> the comment POV.  You could say (in a later
>>> paragraph), "China is critisized for being
>>> [[authoritarianism and
>>> totalitarianism|authoritarianist]].
>>> 
>>> --- Fred Bauder <fredbaud at ctelco.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I stirred up this hornet's nest  by inserting a link
>>>> to [[authoritarianism
>>>> and totalitarianism|authoritarian]] into the first
>>>> paragraph of the article.
>>>> I think this is a fair characterization of the
>>>> regime (regardless of what
>>>> ever other adjective might describe it).
> 
> -- 
> Vicki Rosenzweig
> vr at redbird.org
> http://www.redbird.org
> 
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