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And the Catholic Church (for another example you used of an present-day
authoritarian organization) does any of these things?  I can (I have)
written letters extremely critical of Cardinal Mahoney that were
published -- without interference -- in the free press.  Should I fear
the Spanish Inquisition?

Methinks your definition of "authoritarian organization" is remarkably
broad if it lumps the Catholic Church in with the Butchers of Beijing.

It makes me wonder how fluid your definition of "truth" is.



Fred Bauder wrote:
| The criteria are control of the press, repression of political speech,
| imprisonment of those who atempt to organize an opposing political
party or
| a union, etc.
|
| Fred
|
|
|>From: Vicki Rosenzweig <vr at redbird.org>
|>Reply-To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
|>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:31:58 -0400
|>To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
|>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Classification of China?
|>
|>At 05:16 PM 4/25/03 -0600, Fred Bauder wrote:
|>
|>>I intend to speak truth. China (and the Catholic church, for another
|>>example) are authoritarian. \ It is not merely a matter of the opinion of
|>>vague critics. There are objective criteria which if met constitute an
|>>authoritarian government.
|>
|>This concerns me, not because I disagree, but because I don't know
|>what objective criteria Fred is using, and because almost anyone who
|>promotes a point of view sincerely believes that he or she is speaking
|>truth.
|>
|>The determination to speak truth, while admirable, is not the same as
|>NPOV, which is our policy.
|>
|>
|>
|>>Fred
|>>
|>>
|>>>From: Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren at yahoo.com>
|>>>Reply-To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
|>>>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:32:01 -0700 (PDT)
|>>>To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
|>>>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Classification of China?
|>>>
|>>>You can't just say "China is an evil totalitarian
|>>>country" (I know that's not what you said) or even
|>>>"China is a controlling country" because that's an
|>>>opinion, not a fact. The communist party in China
|>>>might think "We're not controlling or authoritarian,
|>>>we just want the best for our citizens", which makes
|>>>the comment POV.  You could say (in a later
|>>>paragraph), "China is critisized for being
|>>>[[authoritarianism and
|>>>totalitarianism|authoritarianist]].
|>>>
|>>>--- Fred Bauder <fredbaud at ctelco.net> wrote:
|>>>
|>>>
|>>>>I stirred up this hornet's nest  by inserting a link
|>>>>to [[authoritarianism
|>>>>and totalitarianism|authoritarian]] into the first
|>>>>paragraph of the article.
|>>>>I think this is a fair characterization of the
|>>>>regime (regardless of what
|>>>>ever other adjective might describe it).
|>
|>--
|>Vicki Rosenzweig
|>vr at redbird.org
|>http://www.redbird.org
|>
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