Talk:Nuala O'Loan, Baroness O'Loan

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Police Authority[edit]

Perhaps there could be a mention of the fact that prior to the creation of her office, the British Government had said that no Member of the Police Authority would be eligible for the post. Also, the fact that her husband is a member of a party that was opposed to the aforementioned Authority and that the party refused to take seats on it.

Mind you, given that there only seem to be about forty people who become Health Board, or Police Authority, or Consumer Council or any other talking shop members in Northern Ireland I suppose it's not surprising.

194.46.232.70 00:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean Police Board? If so the SDLP sit on the board: Alex Attwood (SDLP)

Joe Byrne (SDLP) Dolores Kelly (SDLP) and support the PSNI her husband is Declan O'Loan Weggie 16:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Accent[edit]

Where in England is she from? I can't place the English component of her mid-Irish Sea accent. At least with Mr Orde it's maybe that he's a Londoner (and he loves London town?)

194.46.232.70 00:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrìte and clean-up[edit]

Does anyone else think that this article needs a rewrite? What has been added is all well and good, or at least well referenced but it doesn't read as an encyclopedia article. I would be willing to give a go at a rewrite and put it in a sub-page for review and comment. Ekilfeather 14:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. the middle section about her life is mostly taken from a website direct. I wouldn't go too far with removing too much material without consenus tho.. Best of luck!Weggie 21:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If anyones knows anything about her education it would be helpful, or her age for that matter. Ekilfeather 12:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BIAS[edit]

For attention of Weegie, in response to: "This is defamation of character i.e. libel - please discuss on the talk page if you wantt this in" I don't believe that my edit would actually amount to libel, even if it did I think there's a chance of a defense based on the principle of fair comment (Slim v Daily Telegraph). Furthermore I had provided a reasonable citation to back up my addition. At the present there's also controversy surrounding the report (counter-report by the police authorities) - prehaps the use of the word allegedly before biased?

I'm also aware that I keep adding this.. so, prehaps discussion here in future would be better weegie

I think putting 'biased' in the intro is over the top, many people would disagree with this - I would support the addition of the info in the link together in the article though. Just putting in she is biased is not good form here without using the information as to who said it and their justification. Weggie 21:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

remove it in the meantime if you wish, I will attempt to compile some form of justification... prehaps a note in with the operation ballast report about the fact that the police have also produced a report would be more effective anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.229.138.119 (talk) 21:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I can't remove it due to WP:3RR Weggie 21:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what that means, I removed it in the meantime. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.229.138.119 (talk) 22:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It's a reference to the three-revert rule Autarch 18:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

O'Loan's background[edit]

Is she of Irish descent? What was her maiden name? Who were her parents? Does she profess a faith? How will she align herself in the House of Lords? PeterClarke 11:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The cited article says she'll sit as an Independent. Mooretwin (talk) 21:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

Does the new peer have a title yet? Mooretwin (talk) 21:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've checked the Irish Times as well as the BBC but no sign of a title yet. PeterClarke 15:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move. Orlady (talk) 05:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nuala O'Loan → Nuala O'Loan, Baroness O'Loan.

Oppose - Most widley known for being the first Police Ombudsman in Northern Irerland and not by this new title. Also no disambiguation is required for this article title.--Lucy-marie (talk) 14:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. WP:NCPEER is quite clear. This peeress is no longer wholly or exclusively known by her pre-peerage nomenclature. Kittybrewster ☎ 15:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose in the strongest possible terms for consistency in naming per policy and guidelines like WP:COMMONNAME, WP:TITLE, WP:D and WP:PRECISION that apply to all Wikipedia article titles. The subject is most commonly known by the current title; adding peerage information is additional precision that is completely unnecessary, all good reasons to ignore WP:NCPEER. --Born2cycle (talk) 20:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
B2C's arguments are bogus, because the policy WP:TITLE explicitly permits topic-specific naming conventions such as WP:NCPEER. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Public servants who have been ennobled are almost invariably known by their titles thereafter. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Necrothesp. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This is not a Crystal Ball and what they are currently known is what we have to take as the current commonly used name. If in the future the individual is known regularly by their ennobled title then that would be grounds to change the article title. To though say, it is expected that the names they are known by will change is not how things work on Wikipeida.--Lucy-marie (talk) 17:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Lucy-marie's arguments. Currently WP:COMMONNAME would have this stay as the name, and Wikipedia should not be predicting any potential changes in what she will likely be commonly referred to as.--Yaksar (let's chat) 00:49, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, known as Nuala throughout her career.--Kotniski (talk) 12:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.