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A note

I have added some topics and in the last edit I restructured the structure somewhat. If you don't like it, it is easy for you to reverse without deleting all the other new elements. I am not quite sure how else to go about it.. first discuss it on here ?

Gem-fanat 17:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Sources

I am noticing a disturbing trend in references. One thing is to quote an article/book that is published on a website but which in itself is a reliable source. I think that is perfectly fine. With Pearls however I start to see resources being added in the form of footnotes that are not legitimate sources at all. In fact they are self published articles, circulated in a ring of e-commerce sites, which are then being quoted as sources. Whilst I think the added pieces are not bad, we should improve the sources and as a project take ownership of the sources/references.

Gem-fanat 21:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Overlap with mineralogy

I couldn't agree more. Sapphires, Rubies, Diamonds and Emeralds, as well as some others have a very mineralogical/scientific approach to them which is perfectly fine, but there should be a gemstone/jewelry component added to them.

Also I think in the case of minerals like Agate and other so called semi-precious stones, if there were a conflict of interests, we should leave the lead more to the mineralogy community. In the end anything these days can be considered a gemstone, and anything can be considered a mineral (well not completely true but for the sake of argument). I would suggest we'd keep the lead a bit more when we deal with well established gemstones (and ok one can discuss if Agate is one or not) and at the same time leave the lead when it's a less well established gemstone.

Perhaps we need to create a template of what should be on a gemstone page, not destroying the work that has already been done by others.

Gem-fanat 20:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello from the fashion project!

In tagging and assessing articles for the newly-created WikiProject Fashion, I have come across a number of tags for this project, and since it seems like it's not much older than this one, I just want to let you know so maybe we can work together on a couple of things where our interests coincide.

I see that Jewelery, especially, has gotten a lot of attention. I have rated it top-importance within fashion as well ... perhaps it could be a collaboration of the week to get it up to FA status? I don't think it needs too much work. Daniel Case 04:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi...I am in the gem and jewelery manufactiring industry for nearly 13 years and i have come a cross from high end jewelery to fashion jewelery. I am from sri lanka where you can find vary rare gems to precious( I don't like to use the word semi precious as all gems are precious to me)Majority will think its easier to manufacturer jewelery and facet gems...it needs patience and passion, creativity with experience.

If you have any doubts we can share the knowledge and solve it for the betterment of the industry.

Tharanga Jayawardena (Dip.Gem)

Hello Back

I agree there is quite a bit of overlap, especially for the jewellery section, less so for the gemstone section. 81.172.65.95 10:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Presently workin on

I found a large number of inaccuracies/poorly defined comments in several high priority gemstone pages. Will also upload several url's as well as books I used as a reference. Topics: rubies, sapphire, emerald, gemstone, amethyst

81.172.65.95 10:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Diamond Certification Laboratory of Australia at AfD

Please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diamond Certification Laboratory of Australia. Your comments would be welcome. --Eastmain 01:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Essentially the issue is that its notability is unclear and the subject of the article wrote it - however, if the article can be improved from independent sources (or is capable of such) by knowledgeable persons, the AfD will probably close keep. Orderinchaos 07:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Color

I have looked through both Wikiprojects, Gemology and Jewelry; Rock and Minerals, and have found no consensus for a specific color for the infoboxes. At this point the large majority of Mineral articles that have infoboxes use the default ?lilac? purple. At the same time the Gem articles are rather sporadic and seem to follow the color of the Gem in question. I would suggest having a discussion regarding a specific color for all mineral articles, but seeing as how the R&M group is not very active, I think I'm about the only one that is doing anything, It is probably best for the G&J project to take the initiative for standardization. In the interim I shall change alternate color boxes back to default in preparation for an end result. (also cross posted to both projects talk pages --Kevmin 22:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Missing gem-related topics

Greetings. I wonder if anyone of you could be willing to have a look at my list of gem-related articles. Thank you - Skysmith (talk) 10:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Infobox

Don't this Wikiproject have any infoboxes? I recently made some articles related to diamonds, and I couldn't find one to include in them. I can make the infobox (or infoboxes, if several are needed) if you like, just tell me what to include. Cheers. Chamal talk 11:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Portal

Hey ya'll. I just wanted to get some opinions. I'm wanting to start a portal pertaining to this project, yet I'm unsure of the total scope and name(actually only the name, the scope should include both anyways). Options include:

  1. Portal:Gemology and Jewelry
  2. Portal:Gemology - Since you can't really have jewelry without gems. Well, expensive jewelry anyways. :)
  3. Portal:Jewelry - Since Category:Gemstones falls under Category:Jewellery.

BTW, what's with the two L's? Is that british spelling? And which to use? I'm partial to being safe and using Portal:Gemology and Jewelry, but wanted to check for better options first. Any ideas or whatnot, most welcome. Thanks. Joe I 03:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

{{Portal|Gemology and Jewelry}}

Well, to late, I'm impatient. Anyways, feel free to stop by, I'm open for comments or help. Joe I 06:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

En - U.S. Yes, "jewellery" is old English, "jewelry" is American English. F.N. Berg (talk) 20:41, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Ammolite

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I could add also an English version for Ammolite. Just have a look on it on my site realgems.org! F.N. Berg (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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F.N. Bergs multiple treads on the same topic

Feb. 27 posts

Post1

Some lack of contents (especially links to realgems.org) resulted from blocking and deleting my added external links to my own project. Instead of calling me a "spammer" some admins should have inspected my site and would have possibly come to the wise conclusion that my links (worldwide) would have been helpful to find interesting photos and infos about a lot of gemstones and their minerals. Meanwhile I've started to create some gem pages on Wiki.de: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benitoit and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tugtupit because the German admins have whitelisted my URL!. Of course I could add English versions too because I do my website in English and German. More might easily come if the blacklisting of my site is pulled back so that I can act as a normal Wiki user / author, without the brand of being a spammer. See more on Meta here and on the Tourmaline talk page F.N. Berg (talk) 20:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Having the link on the blacklist only means that you can't link to your website (see our conflict of interest guideline), it does not mean that you can't create the articles, and fill them with content. You are even capable of referencing some of it to e.g. mindat.org. The knife cuts both ways, we get content, and you can show where your link could be of interest. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:04, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Dirk, would you "create" or add infos to a site whose admins think your own site isn't worth being linked? I filled German Wiki with content because its admins think my work is useful. Useful to be linked! "you can show where your link could be of interest" What does that mean? I cannot add a link to my site, except Wiki.de! F.N. Berg (talk) 13:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Show us how the link is better for the wiki projects worldwide then uploading the images to commons where all the projects can use them.--Kevmin (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Post 2

Well, as I said above: I once (from July until December 2008) added a lot of links to my gemstones project realgems.org where the Wiki users would have found more than 2,000 photos of gems and their minerals. That "spamming" was not criticized until December... Then I was put on the blacklist being accused as a spammer! Now I'm doing my best to reach a revision. But that is somehow blocked by a few U.S. admins who therefore block the worldwide Wiki community to see the images on my site, leaving them alone - uninformed about all the different varieties. F.N. Berg (talk) 20:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

F.N. Berg, you have a lot of images available, why don't you ask for whitelisting on http://commons.wimedia.org, and start uploading images from your site there (you can start before whitelisting, you can link the copyright info later on). They can then be used on this wiki. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

March 2 post

Here are gem-related topics and actually 2,352 gemstone images... but this source has been blocked by an en. admin: www.realgems.org! Since a few days I had time to add some new gemstone articles: Tugtupit on de.wiki, Jeremejewit on de.wiki and Benitoit on de.wiki - unfortunately only on German Wiki because my URL is still blocked worldwide (except German Wiki because its admins are convinced that my site is worth being added as a link). F.N. Berg (talk) 21:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Other then "I have a lot of images" what arguments do you have for adding your site as a reference?--Kevmin (talk) 23:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
"...if it comes up to 3-4 bigger projects, then I would suggest total de-blacklisting ..." read more on Meta here. F.N. Berg (talk) 08:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
So summarized, your arguments are:
  • I have a lot of images
  • If I have enough support, I will be de-blacklisted
... --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Dirk, the main argument is: A Wiki gem or gem mineral article shows only 1 or perhaps a few more images of gemstones (usually a rough version - see the tugtupite or benitoite pages e.g.). If there would be a link to my site (like in German Wiki again) our international Wiki visitors could easily find a lot of varieties of a specific gem or gem mineral or collector gem. I repeat: every day before that blacklisting hundreds of Wiki visitors clicked on all the links I once have added (from July 2008 until December 2008 - without being accused as "spammer"). I could see that on my website traffic source. I think they often found what they searched for. Please overthink that a lot of Wiki users look for faceted gems, not for minerals.
  1. argument: Admins compared my humble site with Mindat or Webmineral. I never said that my site is comparable. It's totally different because I show faceted versions of fine minerals. One cannot find that on both other sites. Usually there are no links to commercial sites (as far as I have seen) which should be ok of course. Therefore my site provides the interested visitor with more than 2,000 different gemstone images, surely more (meanwhile) than other commercial sites show. And don't forget that my site is non-commercial, educational and private, only done by me - in my free time.
  2. argument: German mineral / gemstone interested admins have whitelisted my site again. Are they wrong? I don't think so imho. Apart from English speaking admins I haven't seen other comments re this blacklisting. Where is Japan, China, Brasil, Mexico etc etc...
That's it for now. Perhaps there might be more arguments to whitelist my links but one must not become bored with a too long text.
Let's finally talk about blacklisting of my site. Were there more / better arguments except from my "spamming"? If not, remember that from July - December 2008 I added external links without knowing that that was regarded as "spamming"! I did that to help Wiki users finding more images than on the Wiki pages. I did that not for advertisement because I don't have a benefit from that. I pay my webserver costs myself. The more visitors the more I have to pay. Selfless - one could say.
Re "I have a lot of images": Please have a look on some of my extra info pages: poldervaartite info, amber info, Libyan desert glass info, tugtupite info, and some newer addition to gemstone pages where I added Google maps so that visitors can find the deposit areas (e.g. Bixbite or Libyan desert glass or www.realgems.org/list_of_gemstones/deposits_benitoite.html. F.N. Berg (talk) 11:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Still, having certain nice examples would help, certainly on pages where there is not yet an image. That would already be a start. If people are coming here to look for facetted images, then why not start with helping them giving such images here. Even on Quartz and other pages there is still room for more images.
For users who want to see more, {{dmoz}} is a good alternative. Unlike wikipedia, they are a web directory.
No, I can't say that German wiki is wrong, their rules are different from ours. You have indeed not heard Japan, China, Brazil, Mexico. First of all, they haven't noticed that it is blacklisted (otherwise they would complain or whitelist!), second of all, you did not discuss with them.
That you have to pay for the web-traffic would just be more of a reason to discuss whitelisting on metacommons, add images there, and link them from articles here. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
www.realgems.org/list_of_gemstones/deposits_benitoite.html is a perfect example of information which should be included directly into the Benitoite article with references (eg. Economic Geology, Mineralogical Record) not just linked to in an "External links" section.--Kevmin (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Dirk, thanks for your positive respond. In the meantime I have added a few thoughts to the text above. I cannot upload "my" photos because they are copyrighted by others. Why that? Because I can only get photos if I show their copyrights. Otherwise I couldn't have done this unique project to show faceted gems and their rough companions. OK?
But yesterday I wrote to South Africa, asking if the owner of a pic would give the image free so that I can include it in my latest article about jeremejevite (of course only on Wiki.de).

F.N. Berg (talk) 12:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

If you upload the image on commons, all wikis can enjoy and use it. --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Dirk, when / if I get that OK from S.A. I will add it to commons of course. Can you tell me please what will happen now, after I have summarized my arguments (more or less) for you? Will you talk with those admins who once pressed the "red button"? Fine that you are "online" so to say, so that we could exchange our thoughts immediately. Seems that you are as old as I am...

F.N. Berg (talk) 12:19, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

(unindent)I'd like to wait for some more local editors, better knowledgeable in the subject than me, to have their say here. --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Hoi Dirk, I don't think that this is a problem of a special subject. What if one starts a search for let's say "Deep Sea Animals"? If he/she finds an appropriate Wiki page (I don't know if such a page does really exist) he/she probably sees the usual text, pepped up with let's say 5 images. Don't you think that he/she wouldn't be interested in finding more pics of such creatures? And then he/she finds an external link which opens a wide door for many more images? Would he/she be not interested in viewing such additional pics? That's exactly the same prob! F.N. Berg (talk) 13:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
They might get the same answer ... --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
"Same answer"? That Wiki withholds interesting infos / images from its visitors? Infos and pics available from a non-commercial website? That cannot be in the sense of the Wiki founder - to mho. If your statement, dear Dirk, shall be the final one, I don't know why Wiki calls itself a worldwide encyclopedia, not speaking about its former (?) aim to support the world in finding what people search for.
I simply don't understand why a selfless contributor shall not be welcome here, on Wiki.en. The only mistake was my addition of too many links, without problems from July - December 2008, as I repeatedly said. It seems that Wiki.en is something like a separate kingdom, ruled by kings or princes who cannot revert their wrong decisions. You probably understand why I'm slightly upset meanwhile. F.N. Berg (talk) 14:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
The read can then click the link which says "Wikimedia Commons has media related to: Deep Sea Animals" which takes them to commons where there are many many images/videos/media/etc... to see. From what I can see you still have yet to provide a convincing reason why you cant ask the owners of the images you host to post them to common where EVERY WIKI can use them rather then forum hunting and wasting your time and ours asking the exact same question, which has been answered. --Kevmin (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

F.N. Berg. You don't seem to get it. We don't link to your website because you (as the site owner) says that it is good, appropriate, on-topic, useful, colourfull, nice. We link because local editors see use of the link to the project. I have, until now, not seen many users who see this. We are not an internet directory. I would suggest that you add your links to a directory service, and you can consider linking the directory from here. If you are so interested in improving the information linked to, the directory service is perfect, it gives people who visit wikipedia on link, leading to a wealth of links to even more information. But, being a wikipedia, encyclopedia's are about content .. not about linking to content. --Dirk Beetstra T C 10:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


Dirk, although being named "time-waster" meanwhile, and although I am usually not the type who prefers dancing on others' nerves or try to waste their time, I still want to add a final word re this topic to you: you are neutral (able to have a view from both sides), open-minded, very helpful, obviously well-educated, and therefore an excellent Wiki admin. Thanks for your friendly involvement. Sorry for wasting also your worthy time for dealing with my intentions and disappointment.

My further engagement will happen on other national Wikis. I will not use such a directory service because my goal is helping people by providing infos which are not yet covered in Wiki articles - I have no obsession with my image and do not want to earn money.

Alle beste voor u! Mike / realgems.org F.N. Berg (talk) 11:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

New Infobox for Faberge eggs

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Alabaster

The article Alabaster concerns two different minerals, both sometimes called "alabaster". How about removing the content about the gypsum and merging it into Gypsum? --Una Smith (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

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30,000 images of minerals donated

(taken from Signpost; written by Phoebe and HaeB)

U.S. mineral collector Dr. Robert Lavinsky has released almost 30,000 photos of mineral specimens under the CC-BY-SA-3.0 license, which will be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. They consist of the (currently about 29,000) images from Lavinsky's picture database on mindat.org, and of the images from his own homepage irocks.com, the web site of his mineral business "The Arkenstone".

The donation came about after Dr. Lavinsky had been contacted by German Wikipedian and Commons user Ra'ike for permission to use a small number of these photos. According to his biography on minrec.org, "The Arkenstone" was one of the first mineral businesses to move onto the Internet in 1996, and Dr. Lavinsky gave academic lectures on the "Impact of the Internet on the Mineral Hobby" in 2006 and 2007.

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Missing gems topics

I've updated my page about topics related to gemstones - Skysmith (talk) 12:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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Prasiolite

This article is confusing.

There is a picture of NATURAL green prasiolite, but part of the article says that prasiolite is a type of amethyst which is made green by heat process.

There is also a reference to praseolite (note small spelling difference) which is apparently an entirely different mineral.

Clarification needed. ...and yes, in the cosmic scale of things, this is not very important.

MHR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1atineb1 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Gemology and Jewelry discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals

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Articles related specifically to the study and trade of gems and jewelry are sadly lacking in need of guidance and direction. Wikipedia:WikiProject Gemology and Jewelry is a meeting place for the development of articles in this field. Please join in and have your say. The framework for the WP is largely in place and participants who can help categorise articles and assist in assessment would be appreciated.
Interested Wikipedians (please add your name)
  1. User:SauliH
  2. User:F.N. Berg
  3. User:Tharanga Jayawardena
Comments


Well, this subject of gemology is quite interesting and i like to take over the guidance and directions ahead. having 13 years experience in high-end jewelery manufactiring using platinum and gold studded with diamonds and precious stones, from factory layout to end product Gemology is a broad subject that includes gem identification,crystallography,rare specimens,gem testing, colour grading, clarity grading, gem mining,valuing,treatments, this includes one of the key areas such as gem therapy as well. i have pasted on top only a small portion of the entire gemology subject as it contains a massive area cover. Any way i like to take the challenge and proceed.

please start the discussion soon, as i can be a part and help anyone to share my knowledge and to gather the entire knowledge for the betterment of the industry.

Tharanga jayawardena (Dip.Gem) Colombo, Sri Lanka —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.235.80 (talk) 05:53, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Shell jewelry anyone?

I am from Project Gastropods. I was wondering if there is any interest in creating an article about shell jewelry? OK, a lot of shell jewelry on the market these days is very cheap stuff, but it is still perhaps interesting, and there is some jewelry made of mother of pearl of various kinds which is more luxurious and expensive. At project gastropods we can help by identifying the shells used in the jewelry and explaining what is what. Project fish and fisheries might also be involved in terms of the sources used for the raw material for the jewelry. The historical aspect of the theme is also very interesting, because shell necklaces go back tens if not hundreds of thousands of years, archeologically speaking and thus are the earliest known form of jewelry. Perhaps an archeology project would also be interested in contributing. Anyone interested in helping with an article on this theme? Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 15:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to participate!

Hello! As you may be aware, the Wikimedia Foundation is gearing up for our annual fundraiser. We want to hit our goal, and hit it as soon as possible, so that we can focus on Wikipedia's tenth anniversary (January 15) and on our new project, the Contribution Team.

I'm posting across WikiProjects to engage you, the community, in working to build Wikipedia not only through financial donations, but also through collaboration in building content. You can find more information in Philippe Beaudette's memo to the communities here.

Please visit the Contribution Team page and the Fundraising page to find out how you can help us support and spread free knowledge. ⇒DanRosenthal Wikipedia Contribution Team 18:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Featured pics

I find it hard to believe there are no gem or jewelry FPs. I know there are a few that could make it. I'm gonna start looking into nominating a few soon. If anyone has any suggestions, please lemme know. Joe I 06:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Demantoid needs a photo. I'd add one of mine but it'd just get bonked. Then I'd have to add it again, and it'd get bonked again, etc. --Ragemanchoo 16:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


The GEM STONES should be categorize with its original spiciness name and EX - corundum specimen divide in to two categories such as SAPPHIRE and RUBY, and sapphire we can divide in to sub categories such as blue,yellow,white,green,orange,padparasha(King sapphire)magenta,star sapphire,purple, color change sapphire, Etc

Please comment

Tharanga Jayawardena (dip.gem) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.235.220 (talk) 09:30, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Cardinal gem

Cardinal gem, is this significant? Picture is only on that page. Thanks, Marasama (talk) 23:19, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

The Natural Sapphire Company

This article is up for deletion, with the involvement of some single-purpose accounts that have an extreme conflict of interest muddying the waters. Neutral opinions would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Natural Sapphire Company (2nd nomination). Thank you, First Light (talk) 01:05, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomination as a United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month candidate

The Hope Diamond, an article within the scope of this project, has been nominated to be a future United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month. All editors interested in improving this article are encouraged to participate. You can vote for this or other articles article of the Month here. --Kumioko (talk) 19:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Recommended for deletion: your opinion is requested

Mark schneider design, Cathty waterman, Diana Vincent and others.

Hi. I noticed a number of commercial designers on jewelry designer. When researching further I discovered a whole page of Mark Schneider (designer) design.. yes an award winner but like him there are 100nds more. Worse yet, one of the very few references in paragraph 1 is to an editorial of an organization this same designer is in the board of. The whole wikipedia article was written by 1 person who claims to be a professor but whose ONLY contribution has been this particular article. Here is his page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Huberthuynh

The same happened for another designer: cathy waterman which was created mostly by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fab-ri-cate whose only contribution also seems to be just that particular article and nothing more.

A third designer listed on jewelry designer was diana vincent which was added in jewelry designer by someone who only added that name. Her entry was created in 2007 by someone who, -- besides some talk pages -- mostly just produced that particular article.

Whilst it cannot be denied some of these designers have some notoriety and won awards, there are literally many hundreds of designers on different continents of that level and stature nor are they really known to a larger audience than a small, limited group of jewelry lovers. It seems to me there's some serious SEM work being done by one (a group of) person(s) who first created a wikipedia entry, then cross linked it from other wikipedia pages + links to the website of the designer (plus tons of other links usually).

I would like to know your opinion on what to do with those pages. I personally do not think they fulfill the requirements in I think they do not fulfill the requirements as presented in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)#No_inherent_notability and were meant to be purely self promotional or for search engine marketing purposes and should therefore be recommended for deletion.

I already deleted the link to them on the jewelry designer page.

Gem-fanat (talk) 11:16, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

AfD notification

I have nominated the article Brilliant 10 diamond, which appears to be within the area of interest of this project, for deletion. Discussion is here; comments are welcome. Deor (talk) 11:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The Pearl of Allah.jpg

image:The Pearl of Allah.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:27, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Missing topics page

I have updated Missing topics about gems - Skysmith (talk) 08:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Holly Yashi, Inc.

On my trawling for stuff to do I found this one: Holly Yashi. Looking over its edit history it was tagged for speedy deletion, then when that was apparently sufficiently contested it was tagged as having the tone of an advertisement. That was removed with little justification so I reinstated the pertinent tags as due procedure even if I'm at the same time looking for suitable sources. Trouble is as I've generally dealt with articles on extinct animals, where notability of a scientific name is assumed by default, I'm not entirely sure what qualifies as a proper source in this area even after going over the pertinent guidelines so I'm deferring to your expertise in this regard. Here's what I found:

  • General
http://thepioneerwoman.com/homeandgarden/2010/05/holly-yashi-jewelry/
http://www.madisonmagazine.com/Blogs/Window-Shopping/August-2009/Shopping-Tidbits-All-the-Latest/
http://books.google.pt/books?id=UoVX5q6O9bUC&pg=PA74&dq=holly+yashi&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ei=_piTUv7-Gsmp7AbOvICYAw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=holly%20yashi&f=false
  • Specialty
http://jewellerstrade.com.au/2012/amakris/
http://www.americanstyle.com/2010/11/style-spotlight-artists%E2%80%99-life/

I'll add more if I do chance upon them and if it is needed. Do note that I'm good for doing the edits myself it's just that I'd rather they weren't for naught. Dracontes (talk) 10:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Reference Link

Hello Everyone,

I was reading this article http://blog.etanzaniteshop.com/what-is-ceylon-sapphire/ and after reading it I saw the wikipedia page related to topic, in my point the article have some fresh information to add on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gems_of_Sri_Lanka.

Does this article qualify to add as reference link on this wikipedia page? because this page has some depth information about the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesliechang (talk • contribs) 07:18, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Lesliechang. This appears to be a blog post on a commercial website, the author is uncredited. So I don't think it would pass muster as a suitable source, as it needs to be published under a verifiable, third party source and not self-published without editorial control as so many blogs are. Mabalu (talk) 09:20, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Gemology and Jewelry at Wikimania 2014

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

The deadline for submissions is 1st July 2014

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to:

Project leaflets
Adikhajuria (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

American Art Jewelers for Wikipedia

Hi- I am pulling together a group of historians and students to add the following jewelers to Wikipedia and I am wondering if we could work together somehow. Do we fit? There aren't too many gems in this group gemology speaking. SusanCummins (talk) 00:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Modernist Jewelers

  2. # Albers, Anni
  3. # Ball, Carlton
  4. # Bergmann, Franz
  5. # Bertoia, Harry
  6. Brenner, Jules
  7. Brynner, Irena
  8. Calder, Alexander
  9. Cavagnaro, Milton
  10. Cooke, Betty
  11. Craver, Margret
  12. De Patta, Margaret
  13. De Rivera, Jose
  14. Eikerman, Alma
  15. Falkenstein, Claire
  16. Franke, Lois E.
  17. Freund, Elsa
  18. Hains, Ray
  19. Higgins, Frances
  20. Holmes Boothby, Frances
  21. Kramer, Sam
  22. Kretsinger, Mary
  23. Levin, Ed
  24. Lewittes, Esther
  25. Lobel, Paul
  26. Macchiarini, Peter
  27. Macdonald, Everett
  28. Miller, John Paul
  29. Pardon, Earl
  30. Parker, James
  31. Paval, Philip
  32. Rebajes, Frank
  33. Renk, Merry
  34. Salo, George
  35. Smith, Art
  36. Steig, Henry
  37. Strengell, Marianne
  38. Svetozar (Toza) and Ruth Radakovich
  39. Tendler, Bill
  40. Wiener, Ed
  41. Winston, Bob

Senior/Mid Career Jewelers

  1. Banyas, Martha
  2. Batal, Rebecca
  3. Bennett, Jamie
  4. Binkley, Joan Fraerman
  5. Blodgett, Peter
  6. Buckingham- Flammang, Amy
  7. Buehler, Stuart
  8. Bungerz, Karl
  9. Cavagnaro, Milton
  10. Church, Sharon
  11. Copley, Noma
  12. Cory, Ken
  13. Dinsmore, Claire
  14. Ebendorf, Bob
  15. Eikerman, Alma
  16. Eisler, Eva
  17. Enterline, Sandra
  18. Diane Falkenhagen
  19. Fisch, Arline
  20. Friedlich, Donald
  21. Garrison, Elizabeth
  22. Gentille, Thomas
  23. Gralnick, Lisa Submitted and waiting for acceptance August 24th
  24. Griffin, Gary
  25. Hall, Laurie
  26. Hamlet, Susan H.
  27. Harper, William Claude
  28. Heinrich, Barbara
  29. Helwig, Bill
  30. Ho, Ron
  31. Howe, Victoria
  32. Hu, Mary Lee
  33. Iversen, John
  34. Jocz, Daniel
  35. Kerner, Daniella
  36. King, Betsy
  37. Klein, Alice H.
  38. Koopman, Rena
  39. Krantizky, Robin and Kim Overstreet
  40. Kreigman, Carolyn
  41. Kumata, Carol
  42. Laskin, Rebecca
  43. Lechtzin, Stanley
  44. LePere, Les
  45. Lewis, Keith
  46. Lloyd, Susan S.
  47. Loloma, Charles
  48. Macneil, Linda
  49. Mann, Thomas
  50. Matsukata, Miye
  51. Mawdsley, Richard
  52. Metcalf, Bruce
  53. Mimlitsch Gray, Myra
  54. Mitchell, Valerie
  55. Morris, Robert Lee
  56. Morris, Walter Kelley
  57. Moty, Eleanor- Submitted and waiting for acceptance
  58. Mueller, Louis
  59. Onofrio, Judy
  60. Opocensky, Pavel
  61. Paley, Albert
  62. Papp, Anthony
  63. Parcher, Joan
  64. Pardon, Earl
  65. Pearson, Ronald Hayes
  66. Pijanowski, Eugene
  67. Prip, John
  68. Quigley, Robin
  69. Rapoport, Debra
  70. Reinhardt, Richard H.
  71. Scherr, Mary Ann
  72. Schick, Marjorie- Submitted and waiting for acceptance
  73. Scott, Ann
  74. Scott, Joyce
  75. Seppä, Heikki
  76. Sharlin, Miriam
  77. Sherman, Sondra
  78. Shirk, Helen
  79. Skoogfors, Olaf
  80. Slemmons, Kiff
  81. Smith, Christina
  82. Solberg, Ramona
  83. Spiros, Lisa
  84. Stubbs, Vaughn
  85. Suydam, Didi
  86. Thiewes, Rachelle
  87. Tisdale, David
  88. Tompkins, Don- Submitted and waiting for acceptance
  89. Tompkins, Merrily
  90. Woell, J Fred
  91. Wood, Joe
  92. Woolley, Ellamarie
  93. Worden, Nancy
  94. Yager, Jan

Younger Jewelers

  1. Beautyman, Suzanne
  2. Bilenker, Melanie
  3. Brooks, Lola
  4. Bucci, Doug
  5. Bump, Raissa
  6. Cole, Caroline
  7. Cole, Kat
  8. Craig, Gabriel- Submitted and waiting for acceptance
  9. D’Aquino, Donna
  10. Ford Forlano
  11. Frank, Rebekah
  12. Ganch, Susie
  13. Fensterstock, Lauren
  14. Hash, Arthur
  15. Kalman, Lauren
  16. Katoaka, Masumi
  17. Kivarkis, Anya
  18. Moore, Jillian
  19. Oye, Emiko
  20. Papac, Seth
  21. Tavern, Amy
  22. Trask, Jennifer
  23. Turner, Julia
  24. Wahl, Jonathan

Mass image upload

There are over 17,000 new images in Commons:Category:Images from Fellows (auctioneers). Please make use of them! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:58, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately it seems that these files have been deleted, per this discussion at Commons. – Margin1522 (talk) 00:39, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Jesus Piece (jewelry)

Page move proposal is discussed; click above. --George Ho (talk) 04:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Crown of Louis XV

Hi. I thought the good people of WP:GEM might be able to help. What began as an AfD has become something of a historical investigation. Does anybody know how to get good quality information on Claude Rondé and/or Laurent Rondé, or to establish with reasonable certainty which of them did the jewels for the crown of Louis XV? Scolaire (talk) 22:12, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2015

Hi there; this is just a quick note to let you all know that the 2015 WikiCup will begin on January 1st. The WikiCup is an annual competition to encourage high-quality contributions to Wikipedia by adding a little friendly competition to editing. At the time of writing, more than fifty users have signed up to take part in the competition; interested parties, no matter their level of experience or their editing interests, are warmly invited to sign up. Questions are welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Thanks! Miyagawa (talk) 21:48, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!

Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.

Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 3

Greetings! For this month's issue...

We have demos!

After a lengthy research and design process, we decided for WikiProject X to focus on two things:

  • A WikiProject workflow that focuses on action items: discussions you can participate in and tasks you can perform to improve the encyclopedia; and
  • An automatically updating WikiProject directory that gives you lists of users participating in the WikiProject and editing in that subject area.

We have a live demonstration of the new WikiProject workflow at WikiProject Women in Technology, a brand new WikiProject that was set up as an adjunct to a related edit-a-thon in Washington, DC. The goal is to surface action items for editors, and we intend on doing that through automatically updated working lists. We are looking into using SuggestBot to generate lists of outstanding tasks, and we are looking into additional options for automatic worklist generation. This takes the burden off of WikiProject editors to generate these worklists, though there is also a "requests" section for Wikipedians to make individual requests. (As of writing, these automated lists are not yet live, so you will see a blank space under "edit articles" on the demo WikiProject. Sorry about that!) I invite you to check out the WikiProject and leave feedback on WikiProject X's talk page.

Once the demo is sufficiently developed, we will be working on a limited deployment on our pilot WikiProjects. We have selected five for the first round of testing based on the highest potential for impact and will scale up from there.

While a re-designed WikiProject experience is much needed, that alone isn't enough. A WikiProject isn't any good if people have no way of discovering it. This is why we are also developing an automatically updated WikiProject directory. This directory will surface project-related metrics, including a count of active WikiProject participants and of active editors in that project's subject area. The purpose of these metrics is to highlight how active the WikiProject is at the given point of time, but also to highlight that project's potential for success. The directory is not yet live but there is a demonstration featuring a sampling of WikiProjects.

Each directory entry will link to a WikiProject description page which automatically list the active WikiProject participants and subject-area article editors. This allows Wikipedians to find each other based on the areas they are interested in, and this information can be used to revive a WikiProject, start a new one, or even for some other purpose. These description pages are not online yet, but they will use this template, if you want to get a feel of what they will look like.

We need volunteers!

WikiProject X is a huge undertaking, and we need volunteers to support our efforts, including testers and coders. Check out our volunteer portal and see what you can do to help us!

As an aside...

Wouldn't it be cool if lists of requested articles could not only be integrated directly with WikiProjects, but also shared between WikiProjects? Well, we got the crazy idea of having experimental software feature Flow deployed (on a totally experimental basis) on the new Article Request Workshop, which seeks to be a place where editors can "workshop" article ideas before they get created. It uses Flow because Flow allows, essentially, section-level categorization, and in the future will allow "sections" (known as "topics" within Flow) to be included across different pages. What this means is that you have a recommendation for a new article tagged by multiple WikiProjects, allowing for the recommendation to appear on lists for each WikiProject. This will facilitate inter-WikiProject collaboration and will help to reduce duplicated work. The Article Request Workshop is not entirely ready yet due to some bugs with Flow, but we hope to integrate it into our pilot WikiProjects at some point.

Harej (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 4

Newsletter • May/June 2015

Hello friends! We have been hard at work these past two months. For this report:

The directory is live!

For the first time, we are happy to bring you an exhaustive, comprehensive WikiProject Directory. This directory endeavors to list every single WikiProject on the English Wikipedia, including those that don't participate in article assessment. In constructing the broadest possible definition, we have come up with a list of approximately 2,600 WikiProjects. The directory tracks activity statistics on the WikiProject's pages, and, for where it's available, statistics on the number of articles tracked by the WikiProject and the number of editors active on those articles. Complementing the directory are description pages for each project, listing usernames of people active on the WikiProject pages and the articles in the WikiProject's scope. This will help Wikipedians interested in a subject find each other, whether to seek feedback on an article or to revive an old project. (There is an opt-out option.) We have also come up with listings of related WikiProjects, listing the ten most relevant WikiProjects based on what articles they have in common. We would like to promote WikiProjects as interconnected systems, rather than isolated silos.

A tremendous amount of work went into preparing this directory. WikiProjects do not consistently categorize their pages, meaning we had to develop our own index to match WikiProjects with the articles in their scope. We also had to make some adjustments to how WikiProjects were categorized; indeed, I personally have racked up a few hundred edits re-categorizing WikiProjects. There remains more work to be done to make the WikiProject directory truly useful. In the meantime, take a look and feel free to leave feedback at the WikiProject X talk page.

Stuff in the works!

What have we been working on?

  • A new design template—This has been in the works for a while, of course. But our goal is to design something that is useful and cleanly presented on all browsers and at all screen resolutions while working within the confines of what MediaWiki has to offer. Additionally, we are working on designs for the sub-components featured on the main project page.
  • A new WikiProject talk page banner in Lua—Work has begun on implementing the WikiProject banner in Lua. The goal is to create a banner template that can be usable by any WikiProject in lieu of having its own template. Work has slowed down for now to focus on higher priority items, but we are interested in your thoughts on how we could go about creating a more useful project banner. We have a draft module on Test Wikipedia, with a demonstration.
  • New discussion reports—We have over 4.8 million articles on the English Wikipedia, and almost as many talk pages as well. But what happens when someone posts on a talk page? What if no one is watching that talk page? We are currently testing out a system for an automatically-updating new discussions list, like RFC for WikiProjects. We currently have five test pages up for the WikiProjects on cannabis, cognitive science, evolutionary biology, and Ghana.
  • SuggestBot for WikiProjects—We have asked the maintainer of SuggestBot to make some minor adjustments to SuggestBot that will allow it to post regular reports to those WikiProjects that ask for them. Stay tuned!
  • Semi-automated article assessment—Using the new revision scoring service and another system currently under development, WikiProjects will be getting a new tool to facilitate the article assessment process by providing article quality/importance predictions for articles yet to be assessed. Aside from helping WikiProjects get through their backlogs, the goal is to help WikiProjects with collecting metrics and triaging their work. Semi-automation of this process will help achieve consistent results and keep the process running smoothly, as automation does on other parts of Wikipedia.

Want us to work on any other tools? Interested in volunteering? Leave a note on our talk page.

The WikiProject watchers report is back!

The database report which lists WikiProjects according to the number of watchers (i.e., people that have the project on their watchlist), is back! The report stopped being updated a year ago, following the deactivation of the Toolserver, but a replacement report has been generated.


Until next time, Harej (talk) 22:20, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Gourmette chain listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Gourmette chain. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 5

Newsletter • October 2015

Hello there! Happy to be writing this newsletter once more. This month:

We did it!

In July, we launched five pilot WikiProjects: WikiProjects Cannabis, Evolutionary Biology, Ghana, Hampshire, and Women's Health. We also use the new design, named "WPX UI," on WikiProject Women in Technology, Women in Red, WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health. We are currently looking for projects for the next round of testing. If you are interested, please sign up on the Pilots page.

Shortly after our launch we presented at Wikimania 2015. Our slides are on Wikimedia Commons.

Then after all that work, we went through the process of figuring out whether we accomplished our goal. We reached out to participants on the redesigned WikiProjects, and we asked them to complete a survey. (If you filled out your survey—thank you!) While there are still some issues with the WikiProject tools and the new design, there appears to be general satisfaction (at least among those who responded). The results of the survey and more are documented in our grant report filed with the Wikimedia Foundation.

The work continues!

There is more work that needs to be done, so we have applied for a renewal of our grant. Comments on the proposal are welcome. We would like to improve what we have already started on the English Wikipedia and to also expand to Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata. Why those? Because they are multilingual projects and because there needs to be better coordination across Wikimedia projects. More details are available in the renewal proposal.

How can the Wikimedia Foundation support WikiProjects?

The Wikimedia Developer Summit will be held in San Francisco in January 2016. The recently established Community Tech team at the Wikimedia Foundation is interested in investigating what technical support they can provide for WikiProjects, i.e., support beyond just templates and bots. I have plenty of opinions myself, but I want to hear what you think. The session is being planned on Phabricator, the Wikimedia bug tracker. If you are not familiar with Phabricator, you can log in with your Wikipedia username and password through the "Login or Register: MediaWiki" button on the login page. Your feedback can help make editing Wikipedia a better experience.


Until next time,

Harej (talk) 09:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 6

Newsletter • January 2016

Hello there! Happy to be writing this newsletter once more. This month:

What comes next

Some good news: the Wikimedia Foundation has renewed WikiProject X. This means we can continue focusing on making WikiProjects better.

During our first round of work, we created a prototype WikiProject based on two ideas: (1) WikiProjects should clearly present things for people to do, and (2) The content of WikiProjects should be automated as much as possible. We launched pilots, and for the most part it works. But this approach will not work for the long term. While it makes certain aspects of running a WikiProject easier, it makes the maintenance aspects harder.

We are working on a major overhaul that will address these issues. New features will include:

  • Creating WikiProjects by simply filling out a form, choosing which reports you want to generate for your project. This will work with existing bots in addition to the Reports Bot reports. (Of course, you can also have sections curated by humans.)
  • One-click button to join a WikiProject, with optional notifications.
  • Be able to define your WikiProject's scope within the WikiProject itself by listing relevant pages and categories, eliminating the need to tag every talk page with a banner. (You will still be allowed to do that, of course. It just won't be required.)

The end goal is a collaboration tool that can be used by WikiProjects but also by any edit-a-thon or group of people that want to coordinate on improving articles. Though implemented as an extension, the underlying content will be wikitext, meaning that you can continue to use categories, templates, and other features as you normally would.

This will take a lot of work, and we are just getting started. What would you like to see? I invite you to discuss on our talk page.


Until next time,

Harej (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:Tiffany Cross Medal of Honor recipients has been nominated for discussion

Category:Tiffany Cross Medal of Honor recipients, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:10, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Clarity enhanced diamonds

I'd like to know if anyone has a clarity enhanced diamond, if it is really made to be good quality and if it sustains it's brilliance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.167.140.71 (talk) 00:40, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 7

Newsletter • February 2016

This month:

One database for Wikipedia requests

Development of the extension for setting up WikiProjects, as described in the last issue of this newsletter, is currently underway. No terribly exciting news on this front.

In the meantime, we are working on a prototype for a new service we hope to announce soon. The problem: there are requests scattered all across Wikipedia, including requests for new articles and requests for improvements to existing articles. We Wikipedians are very good at coming up with lists of things to do. But once we write these lists, where do they end up? How can we make them useful for all editors—even those who do not browse the missing articles lists, or the particular WikiProjects that have lists?

Introducing Wikipedia Requests, a new tool to centralize the various lists of requests around Wikipedia. Requests will be tagged by category and WikiProject, making it easier to find requests based on what your interests are. Accompanying this service will be a bot that will let you generate reports from this database on any wiki page, including WikiProjects. This means that once a request is filed centrally, it can syndicated all throughout Wikipedia, and once it is fulfilled, it will be marked as "complete" throughout Wikipedia. The idea for this service came about when I saw that it was easy to put together to-do lists based on database queries, but it was harder to do this for human-generated requests when those requests are scattered throughout the wiki, siloed throughout several pages. This should especially be useful for WikiProjects that have overlapping interests.

The newsletter this month is fairly brief; not a lot of news, just checking in to say that we are hard at work and hope to have more for you soon.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 01:44, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 8

Newsletter • March / April 2016

This month:

Transclude article requests anywhere on Wikipedia

In the last issue of the WikiProject X Newsletter, I discussed the upcoming Wikipedia Requests system: a central database for outstanding work on Wikipedia. I am pleased to announce Wikipedia Requests is live! Its purpose is to supplement automatically generated lists, such as those from SuggestBot, Reports bot, or Wikidata. It is currently being demonstrated on WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health (which I work on as part of my NIOSH duties) and WikiProject Women scientists.

Adding a request is as simple as filling out a form. Just go to the Add form to add your request. Adding sources will help ensure that your request is fulfilled more quickly. And when a request is fulfilled, simply click "mark as complete" and it will be removed from all the lists it's on. All at the click of a button! (If anyone is concerned, all actions are logged.)

With this new service is a template to transclude these requests: {{Wikipedia Requests}}. It's simple to use: add the template to a page, specifying article=, category=, or wikiproject=, and the list will be transcluded. For example, for requests having to do with all living people, just do {{Wikipedia Requests|category=Living people}}. Use these lists on WikiProjects but also for edit-a-thons where you want a convenient list of things to do on hand. Give it a shot!

Help us build our list!

The value of Wikipedia Requests comes from being a centralized database. The long work to migrating individual lists into this combined list is slowly underway. As of writing, we have 883 open tasks logged in Wikipedia Requests. We need your help building this list.

If you know of a list of missing articles, or of outstanding tasks for existing articles, that you would like to migrate to this new system, head on over to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Requests#Transition project and help out. Doing this will help put your list in front of more eyes—more than just your own WikiProject.

An open database means new tools

WikiProject X maintains a database that associates article talk pages (and draft talk pages) with WikiProjects. This database powers many of the reports that Reports bot generates. However, until very recently, this database was not made available to others who might find its data useful. It's only common sense to open up the database and let others build tools with it.

And indeed: Citation Hunt, the game to add citations to Wikipedia, now lets you filter by WikiProject, using the data from our database.

Are you a tool developer interested in using this? Here are some details: the database resides on Tool Labs with the name s52475__wpx_p. The table that associates WikiProjects with articles and drafts is called projectindex. Pages are stored by talk page title but in the future this should change. Have fun!

On the horizon
  • The work on the CollaborationKit extension continues. The extension will initially focus on reducing template and Lua bloat on WikiProjects (especially our WPX UI demonstration projects), and will from there create custom interfaces for creating and maintaining WikiProjects.
  • The WikiCite meeting will be in Berlin in May. The goal of the meeting is to figure out how to build a bibliographic database for use on the Wikimedia projects. This fits in quite nicely with WikiProject X's work: we want to make it easier for people to find things to work on, and with a powerful, open bibliographic database, we can build recommendations for sources. This feature was requested by the Wikipedia Library back in September, and this meeting is a major next step. We look forward to seeing what comes out of this meeting.


Until next time,

Harej (talk) 01:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello,
Please note that Shelby Gem Factory, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:07, 13 June 2016 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 9

Newsletter • May / June 2016

Check out this month's issue of the WikiProject X newsletter, featuring the first screenshot of our new CollaborationKit software!

Harej (talk) 00:23, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Missing topics list

My list of missing topics about gems is updated - Skysmith (talk) 12:28, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 10

This month, we discuss the new CollaborationKit extension. Here's an image as a teaser:

23:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

RFC on Fabergé egg naming convention

A recent page move discussion has raised an interesting question regarding the disambiguation of Fabergé egg titles. I have started an RFC in an attempt to codify the naming conventions of these eggs. Please join in the discussion here. Primefac (talk) 16:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Pastor Emmanuel Momoh's diamond

Pastor Emmanuel Momoh's diamond needs a better name. Please suggest something at Talk:Pastor Emmanuel Momoh's diamond. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:11, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

merge discussion at Baltic amber

There is a merge proposal that could benefit from additional eyes at Baltic amber--Kevmin § 17:29, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Gemology Tools

On the Gemology page I added a section on gemological instruments. This can be further built upon to include photos as well as how to use each and the properties being tested. Smchugh (talk) 05:13, 10 November 2017 (UTC)smchugh

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 11

Newsletter • February 2018

Check out this month's issue of the WikiProject X newsletter, with plans to renew work with a followup grant proposal to support finalising the deployment of CollaborationKit!

-— Isarra ༆ 21:26, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background

On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   10:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 12

Newsletter • August 2018

This month: WikiProject X: The resumption

Work has resumed on WikiProject X and CollaborationKit, backed by a successfully funded Project Grant. For more information on the current status and planned work, please see this month's issue of the newsletter!

-— Isarra ༆ 22:24, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Help with Scottish jewellery

Hi there! I'd love to be included in this Wikiproject and have an editor look at my page. Thanks! --Dream8047! (talk) 22:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 13

Newsletter • December 2018

This month: A general update.

The current status of the project is as follows:

  • Progress of the project has been generally delayed since September due to development issues (more bitrot than expected, some of the code just being genuinely confusing, etc) and personal injury (I suffered a concussion in October and was out of commission for almost two months as a result).
  • I currently expect to be putting out a proper call for CollaborationKit pilots in January/February, with estimated deployment in February/March if things don't go horribly wrong (they will, though, don't worry). As a part of that, I will properly update the page and send out announcement and reach out to all projects already signed up as pilots for WikiProject X in general, at which point those (still) interested can volunteer specifically to test the CollaborationKit extension.
    • Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Pilots was originally created for the first WikiProject X prototype, and given this is where the project has since gone, it's only logical to continue to use it. While I haven't yet updated the page to properly reflect this:
    • If you want to add your project to this page now, feel free. Just bear in mind that more information what to actually expect will be added later/included in the announcement, because by then I will have a much better idea myself.
  • Until then, you can find me in my corner working on making the CollaborationKit code do what we want and not just what we told it, per the workboard.

Until next time,

-— Isarra ༆ 22:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Reigniting the project

I want to try and get some more members on the project, improve the project page, and improves articles in the project as a group. Hopefully I can get a gaggle of people on board! - Stilistic (talk) 21:41, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

– Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Portal?

I just came across a link to Portal:Gemology and Jewelry, which seems to have been deleted without any discussion that I can see. There are still about 30 links to this portal in the main article space. Does anyone know how developed the portal was, what happened to it and why? ‑‑YodinT 16:59, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Pinging @JJMC89: who seems to have carried out the deletion. ‑‑YodinT 13:59, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Portal:Gemology and Jewelry (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) was a redirect to Portal:Gemstones (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), which was deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Mass-created portals based on a single navbox. All deleted revisions of Portal:Gemology and Jewelry were redirects. Portal:Jewellery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) also existed and was deleted per the same MfD. Portal:Gemology and jewelry (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), also a redirect at deletion, contains the old history of the portal. Since there were only six selected articles, I wouldn't consider the portal well developed.
Deleted subpages
— JJMC89 (T·C) 18:48, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into this. ‑‑YodinT 19:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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