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These debates are now closed, thanks to all who voted. The notes about the poll can be found at the bottom of this page. The debates have been closed with similar rules to standard WP:AfD debates. If you disagree with the result of a debate, please bring it up on the project talk page. Deizio 00:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Genres[edit]

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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template Deizio 00:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Alternative metal[edit]

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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template Deizio 00:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Avant garde metal[edit]

  • Delete, not yet sure whether minor or cross-ref. Deizio 13:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Better featured on the Fused Article for such references. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (cross-ref) --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Alternative Metal --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Can't Say - Don't know much about this --XylyX | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete, Mixed feelings...some of it is really black or gothic metal.--Eupator 14:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Avant Garde metal? Like postmodern? No thanks.--Lone Isle 15:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, Really obscure - Maha Mantri|talk 13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It is important just as Folk metal and if you throw it of the template other readers may not even know it exists. Death2 22:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep, although I am not sure whether this should be counted as a genre unto itself, as many different genres of metal have "avant-garde" bands. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete --C.S.W. 12:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 00:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Black metal[edit]


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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template Deizio 01:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Christian metal[edit]

  • Delete. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, maybe merge with Christian rock? +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, we should ignore the Christian thing altogether and put bands in the genres they would be in if they didn't have Christian influences. The Christian music page can categorise Christian metal as a sub-genre very nicely without us doing it too. Deizio 16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (cross-ref)--IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete --Metal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete =Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (Since this itself has bands playing many styles) --XylyX | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - These bands have done a great service to society - Patrolling the ocean called Wikipedia|Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC
  • Delete as per Deizio --JM.Beaubourg 10:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, This is not a musical genre. Christian bands exist in every subgenre. Ie: Mortification is a Christian Death Metal band.--Eupator 14:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There is no "christian" metal. Just metal played in the usual metal fashion that happens to have xian lyrics.--Lone Isle 15:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Despite differences in style it does exist as a community, but not core.--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Maha Mantri|talk 13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, Christian metal is not a genre unto itself, it is just metal with christian/evangelical lyrics. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete, Christian is not realy a genre --C.S.W. 12:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete While there are plenty of christian bands in all genres, I would not consider "christian metal" it's own style(more of a movement, crossing all genres) Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Further debate required - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template at this time. Deizio 01:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note - This one was close, a "vote count" here gives 11 deletes and 9 keeps, which would be a "no-consensus, keep" in AfD. However, after analysing the rationales of both the keep and delete votes, there is no indication that this title definitively describes a core genre of metal. I would suggest that the questions of whether this is "classic" or "traditional" metal, and (as Iron Chris states) whether this is actually a genre or a period, need to be addressed first.

Classic metal[edit]


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Death metal[edit]

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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Doom metal[edit]

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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Folk metal[edit]

  • Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Deizio 16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, although this is a difficult one. Some bands play folk-black metal (Finntroll), some play power/thrash folk metal (Korpiklaani); putting them all together could be problematic (so it could be considered a cross-genre by some) and the boundaries of the genre are sometimes difficult to define. --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep --Metal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep ==Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, though I wished for a more precise categorization, but know it would be very difficult. JM.Beaubourg 11:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep, Hard to ctaegorize. Is My Kantele by Amorphis folk? Hard to categorize.--Eupator 14:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete Or redefine. Some of this is cross/subgenres.--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Maha Mantri|talk 13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, this is an emerging genre which may grow in the future. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not a distict sound --C.S.W. 12:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete more of a cross-genre, IMO. Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template Deizio 01:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Funk metal[edit]

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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glam metal[edit]

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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gothic metal[edit]

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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grindcore[edit]

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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template Deizio 01:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Groove metal[edit]

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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Industrial metal[edit]

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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neo-classical metal[edit]

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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template Deizio 01:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nu Metal[edit]

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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Power metal[edit]

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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive metal[edit]

  • Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Is a core genre, needs to be added to list of articles to be worked on, as the scene is wholey dependant on itself. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, Although main article has to reflect much more autonomy from Prog rock (especially all the links at the bottom) and ensure that the prominent bands in it identify as "progressive metal" on their articles. Consistency is very important with this kind of thing Deizio 16:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep --Metal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep,--Eupator 14:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Maha Mantri|talk 13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Definite Keep, for reasons which should be obvious. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep --C.S.W. 12:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template Deizio 01:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speed metal[edit]

  • Delete. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Better on the Big Reference article. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Delete, cross ref, fair enough, having looked at the article it actually defines what we're getting rid of here. Deizio 16:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete (cross-ref). Deleting symphonic and keeping speed would make no sense at all. It is definitely a cross-genre, as clearly explicited by the article.--IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete --Metal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (Perhaps, a little vague) --XylyX | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete marnues 03:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Patrolling the ocean called Wikipedia|Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep, --Eupator 14:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As now defined, not a distinct genre.--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, Speed metal is not exactly Thrash - Maha Mantri|talk 13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Death2 22:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete, "speed metal" is a very poorly-defined genre; it is too difficult to determine what to include or exclude. --Eastlaw 10:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Definite Keep + Rewrite, The page is very terribly written, but nontheless Speed Metal differs from power and thrash and thus should be kept (after a serious rewrite). --Ryouga 19:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, and merge with thrash --C.S.W. 12:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Agree that it could be merged with thrash - "Speed Metal" is too broad of a term, IMO. Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Symphonic Metal[edit]

  • Keep A core genre, not a subsidary or cross-genre term. This article and Gothic Metal both show what we are aiming to accomplish with this clean up, in moving stubs into the main articles. Deizo, please 'read' the article. Ley Shade 02:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, still have concerns about this being "core" and too close to Gothic metal. The article does assert that this is distinct but also describes it as combining several other genres. The (relatively small number of) bands on the list therein are identified solely as Symphonic metal, while some stubs of sub-genres can be moved in here which are both important. A better article with some more notable bands in the list, also defined on their articles as Symphonic metal, would be great in asserting this as "core", which for me demands both a distinct sound and popularity, with plenty of notable exponents. LS, I appreciate you feel strongly about this but I'm not yet moved from the debate in the previous discussion. Deizio 03:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Minor, accept it's distinct but not "core" Deizio 21:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template. Deizio 01:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thrash metal[edit]

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Very Important Note[edit]

This poll has been moved here from the project talk page, and it's "rules" and closing dates unilaterally changed by Ley Shade. As such, the original votes which were "carried over" and the rationales behind them were made under different rules to the ones below. This alteration to the poll does not reflect a consensus of those who began the poll, and I fear the usefulness of the original exercise has been seriously, perhaps irrevocably, damaged.

In the original poll we were aiming to strip down the template to the "core" metal genres, in order to agree a common position and facilitate consensus when additions or alterations to the template were proposed. It was never intended to be a popularity contest or a place to promote your own personal tastes.

The votes were to decide which genres would be on Template:Heavymetal and also which section of List of heavy metal genres a given sub-genre would fit into. As such it was possible to vote in one of three ways:

  • Keep, for sub genres to go on the template and the "core" section of the list
  • Delete-Minor, distinct metal sub-genres but not major enough to go on the template. These would go in the "minor" section of the list
  • Delete-Cross-reference, cross-over and mixed sub-genres which would not go on the template and would in the "cross references" section of the list.

While it is important for members of the project to participate on this vote, it is also important that members understand why they are voting and what they are voting for. To paraphrase what Ley Shade personally declared on the project talk page, "...if "cross-reference" genres like speed metal are included on the template, then all the cross-referenced genres will have to go on".

If the result of this poll is to be very inclusive about what counts as a core metal genre, it will be very hard to object to metal-related genres, sub-genres, sub-sub-genres and cross-referenced genres which have a main Wikipedia article (i.e. everything on the Heavy metal list for starters) being placed on the template.

Overview[edit]

This page is for voting on the inclusion of genres on the Heavy Metal Template, and will act as a guide point to future work regarding other projects that the group chooses to partake in. The simple voting rules are below.

Voting Rules[edit]

This poll will close on Sunday, April 30th. Any votes after this period will be dismissed, so please make sure to vote before closing if you want to vote.

Please vote only keep or delete. If you feel like abstaining from a specific genre, simply dont vote on it. If you wish to comment or debate the genre, please do so on its section of this talk page.

Please mark all votes clearly. Please specify your choice before you make a comment on the reason for your choice.

Please do not use sockpuppets or meatpuppets to over vote. Suspicious votes will be checked, and forfieted if sockpuppets or meatpuppets have been used.

Please be fair to the views of others. Different people will vote different ways. If someone votes in disagreement with you, please use the Project talk page to discuss their reasoning with them.

Do not make personal attacks. Anyone making personal attacks of any kind will have their votes refuted and will be reported to an admin.

Do not harass other users into voting in your favour. Anyone proved to be doing this will have their votes refuted and will be reported to an admin.

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