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November 22[edit]

hunting[edit]

I am looking for statistics on animals and things big game hunters shoot by mistake — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duane cowboy (talk • contribs) 01:07, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do Republican lawyers count? DOR (HK) (talk) 05:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was simply going to say people, but that's a great answer, DOR. μηδείς (talk) 19:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dick Cheney and his hunting buddy were heading into the woods on a dark, foggy, foreboding day, when the buddy said "Geez, what a spooky day !". Cheney then responded "What are you complaining about ? You're not the one who'll have to walk back out all alone." StuRat (talk) 06:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Trees probably top the list... : Anyway, here are some starting references for you.

(1) People - This article from New Zealand says “On average, since 1979 there has been one accidental shooting of a hunter by another hunter every nine months.” I think this might be the report referred to in the article.

(2) Animals - Colorado Parks and Wildlife keeps a list of Big Game Hunting Harvest Reports for several years back.

(3) Animals - This article from the USA says elk hunters shooting moose instead is a problem in Colorado.

It would help other responders if you could narrow down where in the world interests you and what you meant by “things”, but I don’t think it’s likely everything you want will have been collected into one place. 184.147.123.169 (talk) 16:05, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moving to college, filling out paperwork[edit]

If I move cross country to study, what legal filings would I have to make? Am I legally changing residence? Who do I have to inform of my moving? Thanks for the help.--Colonel House (talk) 01:10, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What country? --Jayron32 01:12, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would move across the United States; the college I am planning to attend is in CT. --Colonel House (talk) 01:14, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you want to vote or drive in the new location nothing is necessary, and you can maintain your parent's as your mailing address no matter what. Contact the local DMV about the law if you are going to drive there, and they will also be able to advise you on voting registration. The only other issue would be if you are going to a state school which offers cheaper rates to instate residents, in which case talk to the school about the rates and how to achieve and prove resident status. If you are going to use a car that belongs to your parents they need to contact their insurers. μηδείς (talk) 01:22, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would very much like to receive mail (like postcards, academic journals, shipping, non-official documents) at my new address, be it a dormitory or rented room. Does that require a changing of residence? I am not receiving help from parents, I will be working and living on my own. I think I will need a change of residence.--Colonel House (talk) 01:25, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)If you are a non-citizen, I presume you would have to inform the immigration authorities. Beyond that, my understanding is that you have the option of making either your new state or your old state your legal residence --if it's your old state, then the new state is viewed as a temporary location. If you decide to make your new state your legal residence, you would have to change your car registration and insurance and your driver's license to the new state. I don't know if you have to tell the Selective Service your new address or not. Residents of your old state can use their driver's license from that state to drive in any other state. You can change the mailing address for your magazines to your new mailing address even if you don't change your legal residence. If you keep your old state as your legal state of residence, you'll have to have some official address there, presumably your parents' address if that's where you were before the move.Duoduoduo (talk) 01:34, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is often said that you have the "option", but if you look through the relevant literature, you are (in my experience) unlikely to find anything that suggests you have a choice whether to make your new location your legal state of residence. Instead, they will offer rather vague and subjective criteria for determining your state of residence, ones that usually have to do with whether you intend to live in the new state "permanently" (whatever that means). Then there will be examples, somewhat less vague, but also unlikely to be exactly your situation.

In practice, in many cases, this may boil down to your having a choice. In theory, if one state or the other thinks you lied about your intentions, and thinks it can prove it, and has a reason to want to (e.g. taxes), then it might take action. I don't know how often such cases come up (in the case of college students, I would imagine rarely, unless one of them has an exceptional income to tax). But I think it's a slightly dangerous oversimplification to call it a "choice". --Trovatore (talk) 01:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find much of anything about it in Wikipedia, but I recall that over the years various college towns have attempted to restrict the right of students in college there to vote there. I thought that the courts had settled the issue long ago (anyone have a reference?) in favor of the students having that right if, as you say, they "intend" to live there "permanently". But the issue keeps popping up; the one thing I found in Wikipedia is in William L. O'Brien#Controversy about college student voting requirements, which says In the run-up to the 2012 election, the New Hampshire state legislature attempted to pass a bill that would have banned out-of-state students from casting a ballot. Unfortunately, the article doesn't say how it came out or why. Duoduoduo (talk) 03:10, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The correct answer, and the best answer, is to pick up the phone and call the school directly. I absolutely, 100% guarantee that you are not the first person to leave their parents house to attend college, and as such the school you are attending will likely have at least one person employed there who would be able to answer your question.--Jayron32 01:47, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that's the correct answer, which makes your "what country?" enquiry, written a full two minutes after the OP posted his question, somewhat unnecessary. I understand that you were trying to make a point about US-centricity and/or that answers to questions may vary from country to country, hence it is sometimes useful for the OP to state what country they are talking about. But this was not one of those cases. Your answer, as well as being the right one, applies to all countries. --Viennese Waltz 07:02, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That was a marvelous speech. Will you be making print copies availible suitable for framing? --Jayron32 15:29, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You should get a Change of Address form from the US Postal Service, fill it out, and mail it in. They will then forward your mail for some period of time (90 days ?). You have that much time to notify each business of your new address. Of course, if your old residence is still occupied by people you know, like your parents, you could also ask them to forward on any mail, but that's inconvenient for them, costs extra postage, and they would see all your mail (hopefully just the outside). StuRat (talk) 04:14, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mailing things to the Postal Service seems a little bizarre. Can't you hand it in to your local post office, who'd if necessary transport it at no cost to a more appropriate processing location? Or just enter the details online? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 06:46, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By "mail it in" he means leave it in the box without postage. The mailman will know what to do with it for you. μηδείς (talk) 19:40, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. Why would I want to drive to the post office, wait in line, and hand in the form, when I could just leave it in my mailbox for the mailman, or drop it into any other mailbox ? StuRat (talk) 06:46, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, here we have a cultural mismatch. That facility to mail things by simply leaving it in your own letterbox, to be collected by the mailman when he comes to deliver mail to you, is unknown in my neck of the woods. Sounds like a good idea, though. I vaguely remember hearing about it previously. But what if nobody sends you any mail for a month and you need to send something? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Junk mail to the rescue ! Days without junk mail are few and far between. StuRat (talk) 06:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Blame that on the house of Hanover, and their treatment of perhaps the best Englishman ever trod upon by the crown. μηδείς (talk) 22:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Typically there is a flag or some other indication on the mailbox which you raise when you have mail to send. The article letter box indicates that the typical US box is called a "Joroleman mailbox", and includes a picture showing the flag. Even if the postal carrier doesn't have any letters for you, he'll typically be walking/driving past your box close enough to notice your flag (as someone in your neighborhood probably will have mail, or he has a set route he'll travel regardless). -- 205.175.124.30 (talk) 21:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 23:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I always thought the postman put up the flag when he left mail in the box, so that you could tell whether there was any mail for you without having to go down and check it. Is that not the case? --Viennese Waltz 05:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. It means the mailbox is occupied, which the mailman takes to mean there's something for him to pick up, or which the homeowner takes to mean he has mail, if the postman has already stopped by. Of course, it's also possible the homeowner might not pick up the mail, and the raised flag might be left from the previous day, resulting in an extra look by the mailman. Compared with vicious dogs, this isn't much of an inconvenience, though. StuRat (talk) 06:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No. In almost six decades of living in many different places in the US, I've never observed it to be the case that the mail carrier leaves the flag up to indicate to the resident that the carrier has left something in the box. Indeed, if the resident leaves the flag up to tell the carrier that something is in the box for the carrier, when the carrier removes it from the box s/he puts the flag down, regardless of whether the carrier has left new mail in the box. Note also that only home mailboxes that are on the curbside for a driving postal carrier have a flag. In more urban places, where the carrier is on foot and the mailbox is on the house's porch wall, there is typically no flag and the carrier won't come up onto your porch if there's nothing to deliver (unless your outgoing mail is sticking out of the box conspicuously and the carrier is willing to be helpful beyond what is required). Duoduoduo (talk) 14:56, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(re to StuRat): Why would it cost them extra postage? In the UK you just cross out the original address, write "Redirect to:" and the new one, and post it. The Post Office then delivers it to the new address at no extra charge. Is it different in the US? --Viennese Waltz 07:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The US Postal Service will forward your mail for one year. You can tell them to do so by mailing the form to them for free (you can ask the postal carrier to give you a copy of the form) or you can go to any post office, fill out the form there, and turn it in there. Or you can do it online. Your parents can forward your mail for free by just crossing out the old address and writing the new address next to it. Duoduoduo (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, if you are going to a state school, if you call them and ask them what is involved in becoming a CT resident, they're likely to tell you that you cannot do that -- but what they mean is that you cannot (at least not immediately) become an in-state student for the purpose of paying in-state tuition. But that's not the same thing as becoming a CT resident for tax, voting, car registration, and driver's license purposes. So you'd have to be careful to explain to them exactly what you're asking about. Duoduoduo (talk) 22:29, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Operations careers[edit]

What kind of careers are available in air or rail operations with a degree in engineering? 176.27.222.86 (talk) 12:59, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What type of engineering? Mechanical, electrical, computer, quantum? Dismas|^(talk) 15:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

any engineering degree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.27.222.86 (talk) 12:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some websites about careers in engineering:

Tomorrow’s Engineers. Click on “Aeronautical Engineer” at the bottom.
Just Engineers. (Click on Aviation Jobs and Rail Jobs.)
Engineer Jobs Career Advice. 184.147.123.169 (talk) 16:17, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

motorcycle cdi unit[edit]

hi i`m trying to find information on a cdi unit i have obtained for my quadbike i have searched the name on the unit and country of the manufacturer could you please help me. the cdi unit says "seel" and then made in india underneath this i dont know if seel is the model, company, or type of bike any information on this subject would be very helpfull thank you in advance richard :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.158.233 (talk) 14:41, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Life of Pi - Third part[edit]

In the third part of the novel, Pi gives different accounts of his adventures, that involves real human beings instead of animals on the lifeboat. What does it connote? Which version of the story's really true? And why does the book have such a bizarre ending? As far as I can see, it could've ended after the 2nd part, and it'd still have made perfect sense... 117.226.220.167 (talk) 19:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A (slightly) cynical answer might be along the lines of "To ensure the judges came to the right decision." It's the literary equivalent of extending a painting from the canvas to the frame - true, it doesn't have any significant effect on the quality of the story as a story, but it is an original and (I would opine) effective method of making the book more interesting as a book. As far as which version of the story is "really true", the preface (_another_ layer of framing), where Pi is being interviewed some years after the event, might be taken to imply that neither version is completely accurate. Tevildo (talk) 21:43, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Years ago, I read this book for my 11th grade class, and I honestly thought Pi was lying just to get the interviewers off his back: those two men had been hounding him for 'the real story' every opportunity they got, and I figured he'd finally gotten sick of it and told them what they wanted to hear so they'd stop bothering him. I was so surprised when everyone in my class took the human story at face value, and I still believe my interpretation holds merit. --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 06:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@Tevildo: I'm afraid I've never heard of extending a painting from the canvas to the frame... >_< @Luke: I was of a similar opinion. But then again, I was thinking.. Maybe the trauma of whatever happened on the boat made him have hallucinations, and so he himself wasn't very sure of the accuracy of either version? 117.227.64.118 (talk) 14:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I took a rather simplistic view of the story's end, strongly suspecting the real humans were very nearly the truth, while the animals were a creation of Pi's mind that allowed him to cope with the horrors of canibalism. Astronaut (talk) 21:08, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ticking clock[edit]

Why do many people tend to find the ticking of a clock (or other repetitive sounds) irritating? 114.75.58.66 (talk) 19:23, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's not only that. See what are the 100 more irritating things: [1]. Comploose (talk) 23:09, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder who's number 1 on that list, to those who actually are Chavs. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:47, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't even mention vuvuzelas. Looie496 (talk) 02:37, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

or people who should get out more. Richard Avery (talk) 08:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Very sharp Mr Avery, very sharp! :D gazhiley 10:01, 23 November 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Wait... There's not a single mention of nails on chalkboards? o_O 117.227.64.118 (talk) 14:40, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They probably all use dry-erase boards now. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:32, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To answer the question, anything can be irritating to anyone given the situation they may be facing at the time. Such is the case with clocks, which people generally ignore unless they are concerned with time (such as facing a deadline). However, in general, high-pitched noises tend to be naturally uncomfortable to most human beings regardless of the situation.--MarshalN20 | ^Talk 05:04, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By comparison, I've heard many times that the way to get a puppy to fall asleep when he's been adopted by a new home is to put a ticking clock by his bed. Duoduoduo (talk) 15:02, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, my observation is that people are more likely to be irritated by an irregularly recurring noise than a regular one like a clock's ticking, presumably because each subsequent tick is subconsciously predictable whereas irregular noises cannot have their precise timing predicted, so every new instance of the noise is startling. Duoduoduo (talk) 15:02, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can personally vouch for that. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where to find a list of Upper Tribunal country guidance cases?[edit]

Hi,

Is a list of the United Kingdom Upper Tribunal country guidance cases judgments available somewhere, like the list of IAT or AIT cases formerly was? (or, if there are too few of them, a list of AIT CG cases updated with UT CG cases)?

Thanks. Apokrif (talk) 20:02, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BAILII (specifically Upper Tribunal (Immigration and Asylum Chamber)) is an excellent resource for UK legal matters. Tevildo (talk) 21:19, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, I can search BAILII for decisions containing the phrase "country guidance", but I am looking for a list of CGs, which is very different. I can also search for BAILII documents containing "CG" in the case name, but is a list available somewhere, which bould be simpler to use? Apokrif (talk) 21:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Err... I would recommend clicking on the link. There's a nice big H2 heading that says "Country Guidelines Determinations" about 30% of the way down the page. Tevildo (talk) 21:33, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Apokrif (talk) 22:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]