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Key signaturing a piece in the Mixolydian mode[edit]
How would you key signature Old Joe Clark??
In modern American interpretations of music theory, a key signature of 2 sharps is taken as indicating the key of D major. It is NOT interpreted as being in a variant of the A major scale where G is natural. A modern American would expect the song to use the A major key signature and have natural signs be placed on the G's. Any thoughts on this or on any piece that's in the Mixolydian mode being arranged according to a particular rule?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- The widespread convention is to use no accidentals. Sources: this thread, my own experience, and the fact that the LilyPond source code in the article actually has a key of a \mixolydian and LilyPond interprets that as 2 sharps. -- BenRG (talk) 18:07, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- The key signature article says that the key signature with 2 sharps belongs to the keys of D major and B minor. The A major article says that the key signature for A major has 3 sharps; it does not say that the usual key signature has 3 sharps but that there's a variant of the A major scale with only 2 sharps in its key signature. Georgia guy (talk) 18:31, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Well... the key signature article could mention that 2 sharps is also used for A mixolydian, G lydian, etc., though it doesn't. A mixolydian can be seen as a variant of A major since they share 6 of 7 notes, but it can also be seen as a variant of D major since they share all 7 notes. There is a case to be made for 3 sharps, of course, and I can imagine an alternate universe where that was the convention, but actually 2 sharps is the convention. -- BenRG (talk) 21:01, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- The 2-sharp key signature is the convention for the keys of D major and B minor. Georgia guy (talk) 21:05, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, but as BenRG says, the 2-sharp signature is also the convention for A Mixolydian, G Lydian, E Dorian, B Aeolian (as well as B minor), F♯ Phrygian, and C♯ Locrian.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 22:43, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Furthermore, the A Mixolydian scale is no more a variant of A major than A minor is a variant of A major. They are parallel modes in that they share the same tonic, but that does not mean they share the same key signature. Double sharp (talk) 14:53, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
- A major and A minor both have the same tonic note, A. But they have different tonic triads. A major, which has 3 sharps in its key signature, has the tonic chord A-C♯-E. A minor, in contrast, has an empty key signature, and its tonic chord is A-C-E. Georgia guy (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
- The notes in the tonic triad are not all the notes in the scale! A Mixolydian differs from A major in the seventh scale degree. For example, it has a minor dominant triad, instead of a major dominant triad like in A major. G♮ is diatonic to A Mixolydian, but G♯ is instead diatonic to A major. Double sharp (talk) 02:14, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
- A major and A minor both have the same tonic note, A. But they have different tonic triads. A major, which has 3 sharps in its key signature, has the tonic chord A-C♯-E. A minor, in contrast, has an empty key signature, and its tonic chord is A-C-E. Georgia guy (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
- Furthermore, the A Mixolydian scale is no more a variant of A major than A minor is a variant of A major. They are parallel modes in that they share the same tonic, but that does not mean they share the same key signature. Double sharp (talk) 14:53, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, but as BenRG says, the 2-sharp signature is also the convention for A Mixolydian, G Lydian, E Dorian, B Aeolian (as well as B minor), F♯ Phrygian, and C♯ Locrian.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 22:43, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- The 2-sharp key signature is the convention for the keys of D major and B minor. Georgia guy (talk) 21:05, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Well... the key signature article could mention that 2 sharps is also used for A mixolydian, G lydian, etc., though it doesn't. A mixolydian can be seen as a variant of A major since they share 6 of 7 notes, but it can also be seen as a variant of D major since they share all 7 notes. There is a case to be made for 3 sharps, of course, and I can imagine an alternate universe where that was the convention, but actually 2 sharps is the convention. -- BenRG (talk) 21:01, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- The key signature article says that the key signature with 2 sharps belongs to the keys of D major and B minor. The A major article says that the key signature for A major has 3 sharps; it does not say that the usual key signature has 3 sharps but that there's a variant of the A major scale with only 2 sharps in its key signature. Georgia guy (talk) 18:31, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
wrong result on google search[edit]
when i search movie's title " Mukhtiar Chadha " on google (https://www.google.co.in/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mukhtiar+chadha) then it's giving wrong information about director's name. google is howing " Diljit Dosanjh " while director's name is " Director Gifty " which is accurate on wiki article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhtiar_Chadha. So please tell me how to fix this.Waiting for the early reply.
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vish.mystic (talk • contribs) 16:06, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- In the Google results, click on the word "Feedback" under that box that shows the information about the film. Then tell Google that the info is wrong. Dismas|(talk) 16:07, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
The kokomo[edit]
As referenced in No Particular Place to Go, So Many Roads and Asbury Park 4th of July. ("so we parked way out on the kokamo", "Down where the sun don't shine//Underneath the Kokomo" and "... I saw her parked with lover boy out on the Kokomo".)
Not the Kokomo (Island) mentioned in Kokomo (song) by the Beach Boys.
Is it the same as in Hot Time in the Town of Berlin ("We're going to start a row, show 'em how// Paint the town down in Kokomo")? Are they all referencing Louis Armstrong Ko Ko Mo (I Love You So)?
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:07, 31 October 2015 (UTC).
- According to SDMB, (a) The Springsteen track is a direct reference to the Chuck Berry track, (b) the Chuck Berry reference is to the Kokomo River (where courting couples were wont to repair), and hence to Kokomo, Indiana and Ma-Ko-Ko-Mo. Tevildo (talk) 23:51, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Many thanks, I searched for Kokomo River, to no avail, (although I found the Wildcat Creek article . it doesn't mention that name - yet). All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:02, 1 November 2015 (UTC).
- It does, however, mention the tributary Kokomo Creek. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:11, 1 November 2015 (UTC).
- It does, however, mention the tributary Kokomo Creek. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:11, 1 November 2015 (UTC).
- Many thanks, I searched for Kokomo River, to no avail, (although I found the Wildcat Creek article . it doesn't mention that name - yet). All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:02, 1 November 2015 (UTC).