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Which film holds the record for The Most Retakes of One Scene..?[edit]
Recently I read an article which says Charlie Chaplin's City Lights holds the record for most retakes of one scene with 342 takes. But when I Googled about it, I came to see different answers such as The Shining with 127 retakes, Dragon Lord with over 2900 retakes. Which is the correct one according to Guinness World Records..?--Joseph 05:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- According to this article, Guinness has a record for "Most retakes for one scene with dialogue", which would exclude City Lights and possibly Dragon Lord. It says the record is held by The Shining with 127 takes, but IMDB disputes that. IMDB isn't always accurate but I trust it more than Guinness.
- Meanwhile, both Take#Multiple takes and Dragon Lord#Production claim that Dragon Lord holds a record with over 2900 takes, but the source is "Dragon Lord (DVD Description)" at Amazon.com, and I can't even find that claim in the DVD description, only in one of the reviews, written by "A Customer". -- BenRG (talk) 07:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- So, is the answer is The Shining..?--Joseph 07:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Looks like it. 2900 takes is clearly absurd and I have removed it from our articles per WP:EXCEPTIONAL.--Shantavira|feed me 08:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Kubrick developed a reputation for reshooting some scenes over and over until he had them just the way he wanted them. And more so for his later films, I think. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- It should be noted that the way CC and SK worked were different from each other. The series Unknown Chaplin showed how Chaplin would work out his ideas and gags through numerous retakes. In his feature length films the takes would not necessarily happen in a row. He might move onto to filming other sequences and then return to a specific scene. Also, at one point, Chaplin become disenchanted with Virginia Cherrill's performance and looked to replace her. More info can be found here City Lights#Principal photography. Kubrick's 127 takes for TS is covered in several sources and were done one after the other - though I can't remember how many days were involved. MarnetteD|Talk 13:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- As I mentioned above, IMDb says "According to the Guinness Book of Records, the scene [...] was shot 127 times [...]. However, both Steadicam operator Garrett Brown and assistant editor Gordon Stainforth say this is inaccurate - the scene was shot about 35-45 times. Brown does say however that the scene where Hallorann explains to Danny what shining is was shot 148 times, which is a world record." I can't find the claim about 127 takes at the Guinness web site, which has a searchable database of records. As quoted in the article I linked, it begins "It has been claimed that". So I think it is probably false. I'm not sure what to think about the 148 takes. -- BenRG (talk) 16:29, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Oops looks like I should have said "unreliable sources" for the 127. Thanks for your further research BenRG. It is a slight possibility that the IMDb item comes from a GWR book published years ago that was in error even then. OTOH it is a good example of why we have WP:RS/IMDB. The mention of the difficulties in the scene between Crothers and LLoyd rings a bell. I can't remember whether it is in the "Making of" documentary filmed by Kubrick's daughter Vivian or somewhere else though. MarnetteD|Talk 18:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- As I mentioned above, IMDb says "According to the Guinness Book of Records, the scene [...] was shot 127 times [...]. However, both Steadicam operator Garrett Brown and assistant editor Gordon Stainforth say this is inaccurate - the scene was shot about 35-45 times. Brown does say however that the scene where Hallorann explains to Danny what shining is was shot 148 times, which is a world record." I can't find the claim about 127 takes at the Guinness web site, which has a searchable database of records. As quoted in the article I linked, it begins "It has been claimed that". So I think it is probably false. I'm not sure what to think about the 148 takes. -- BenRG (talk) 16:29, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- It should be noted that the way CC and SK worked were different from each other. The series Unknown Chaplin showed how Chaplin would work out his ideas and gags through numerous retakes. In his feature length films the takes would not necessarily happen in a row. He might move onto to filming other sequences and then return to a specific scene. Also, at one point, Chaplin become disenchanted with Virginia Cherrill's performance and looked to replace her. More info can be found here City Lights#Principal photography. Kubrick's 127 takes for TS is covered in several sources and were done one after the other - though I can't remember how many days were involved. MarnetteD|Talk 13:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Kubrick developed a reputation for reshooting some scenes over and over until he had them just the way he wanted them. And more so for his later films, I think. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- The 127 and 342 claims were on guinnessworldrecords.com at one time: Most Retakes For One Scene With Dialog, Most Retakes For One Scene. The former item begins "It's claimed that", so I guess they didn't fact-check it. I got the URLs from Talk:Jackie Chan/Archive 2#Most takes for one scene claim?.
- The Dragon Lord claim is different because it's only alleged to be 2,900 total takes, not 2,900 reshoots of any particular part of the scene. A scene may be spliced together from many short sequences, each of which may be a separate take. If a long fight scene has 50 cuts and they filmed each section 10 times on average, that's about 500 takes, but the total footage they shot is only about 10 times the length of the scene. -- BenRG (talk) 19:38, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
"Walk of Shame" song[edit]
(Q moved from Humanities desk)
Last night at a party I heard a song, probably titled Walk of Shame, that I'm having trouble finding through Google or YouTube (too many irrelevant hits). It had a swing/fast-blues feel, good song for West Coast Swing. The female singer was describing how she woke up in a strange bed, someone she didn't know very well asking her how she liked her eggs, and "as soon as I find my shoes I'll do the walk of shame". Other verses talk about how she can only find one sock, doesn't know where she parked her car, things like that.
Anyone know whose song this is? --Trovatore (talk) 20:29, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
- The only thing that comes to mind is "The Stripper"
Possibly it's "Walk of Shame" by The Like. Here's the YouTube. RomanSpa (talk) 02:10, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Probably "Walkashame" by Meghan Trainor [1] or alternatively "Walk of Shame" by Pink [2]. --Viennese Waltz 07:55, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Nope, neither of those. As you can see, the issue is somewhat search-resistant because of all the songs with a similar theme.
- But as I said, it has the lyrics about being asked about how she likes her eggs, and something very close to word-for-word "as soon as I find my shoes I'll do the walk of shame". "Swing" may have been slightly misleading as it doesn't have swung eighths. It's a bluesy WCS song, to the extent that makes sense (you can dance WCS to almost anything in 4/4 time, but some styles are a little more typical than others). --Trovatore (talk) 17:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Then it might be the one by Clairy Browne & The Bangin' Rackettes, bluesy-motowny, talks about her shoes, though no eggs as far as I heard. clip. ---Sluzzelin talk 17:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Getting a little closer stylistically, but no, not that one either. --Trovatore (talk) 19:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Could it be "Walk of Shame" by Eight To The Bar? Link to song - JuneGloom07 Talk 22:54, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- That's it! Thanks very much! --Trovatore (talk) 14:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Not that it really matters, but how is that not just pure blues? It opens with one of the most famous blues riffs ever, and seems to contain only blues scales. Granted, I don't know anything about west coast swing, but it seems that the musical genre and the dance genres are getting a little mixed up here... SemanticMantis (talk) 18:41, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, this is blues, pure blues; my reaction exactly. Fun, but hardly iconic. μηδείς (talk) 00:37, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- When I heard it on-line, it sounded like straight blues to me too, but it didn't last Saturday night. I can't be sure whether it was a different arrangement or whether I was just unduly influenced by a skilled pair dancing westie very stylishly in front of me. --Trovatore (talk) 22:55, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, this is blues, pure blues; my reaction exactly. Fun, but hardly iconic. μηδείς (talk) 00:37, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Not that it really matters, but how is that not just pure blues? It opens with one of the most famous blues riffs ever, and seems to contain only blues scales. Granted, I don't know anything about west coast swing, but it seems that the musical genre and the dance genres are getting a little mixed up here... SemanticMantis (talk) 18:41, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- That's it! Thanks very much! --Trovatore (talk) 14:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Could it be "Walk of Shame" by Eight To The Bar? Link to song - JuneGloom07 Talk 22:54, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Getting a little closer stylistically, but no, not that one either. --Trovatore (talk) 19:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Then it might be the one by Clairy Browne & The Bangin' Rackettes, bluesy-motowny, talks about her shoes, though no eggs as far as I heard. clip. ---Sluzzelin talk 17:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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