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November 14

Recent Saudi Arabian football match

Watching ESPN's SportCenter, I just saw a reply of the start of a recent international football match, in which a Saudi player scored on the opening kick (or whatever you call it), with about two seconds elapsed. Any idea whom the Saudis were playing? I couldn't find anything online. Nyttend (talk) 00:00, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Nawaf Al Abed scored for Al-Hilal when playing against Al-Shoalah in the U-23 Prince Faisal Bin Fahad Cup. It wasn't an international game. Nanonic (talk) 00:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Here it is, but it was a Saudi domestic game - Al Hilal v Al Shaloa apparently[1]. The technical term you're looking for is "kick-off". Alansplodge (talk) 00:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

No wonder I couldn't find it, between searching for "opening kick" and for "international". I wasn't paying too much attention when they introduced the story, so I must have misheard them when I thought they said that it was international. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 01:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

"i'm not making this up"

sometimes late-night comedians say "i'm not making this up" to share true news from the world. do they ever say the same expression when they clearly ARE making it up, or does that expression remain sacred? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.147.202 (talk) 00:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

It is common for comedians to say "I'm not making this up" or "True story" or "This is the truth" when it clearly is not the truth. It is nothing more than part of the joke. For example, David Letterman often uses the same joke over and over and states it in a manner such as, "True story. I was walking through the park today and I saw a squirrel roasting his nuts." -- kainaw™ 00:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

In a humorous(sp?) spasm of honesty, there's "You couldn't make this sh stuff up, seriously...oh wait, yes you can, I just did." Vimescarrot (talk) 00:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes, people say something is "literally" the case, when it is clearly impossible for it to be actually, physically true. They're using hyperbole. -- JackofOz (talk) 01:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no requirement, nor indeed should there be any expectation, that the claim "I am not making this up" means anything except the speaker's desire to bring you into his story. The statement is made purely for its effect on the audience; the story may be true, but is no more likely true than any other story which does not have such a disclaimer. For example, Fargo contains the claim "THIS IS A TRUE STORY. The events depicted in this film took place in Minnesota in 1987. At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred." Which is completely bogus. The film does bear a superficial similarity to the Helle Crafts case where the victim was killed by her husband and fed through a woodchipper, but that is the ONLY similarity between the Fargo film and any real murder case. The Coen brother fully acknowledge their disclaimer at the start of the film has the sole purpose of making their film more believable; i.e. it is used for purely psychological effect on the viewer; not because it was actually true. --Jayron32 16:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'll be .... Fargo is on my list of favourite films. I've had the naivete to assume that when a filmmaker goes to the trouble of asserting up front that what we're about to see actually happened, they're telling the truth, otherwise, what are the misleading advertisement laws all about? Can one publish a novel not based on fact, as "non-fiction"? -- JackofOz (talk) 19:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, considering that fiction is basically "lies" anyways, and if you are seeing that "disclaimer" in the film, you are already watching it, they aren't advertising anything. The filmmakers can (rightly!) claim that the statements are part of the film themselves, and thus are just as fictional as anything else in the film. Really, its not much different than the "whatever happened to these characters after the film ended" synopses (see American Graffiti) which make us feel like the charcaters have lives outside of the movie. Its all part of the illusion which brings us into the film. --Jayron32 22:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I love that film Fargo, and I did believe initially that it was true, although I was concerned about a pregnant police woman being still on duty, at risk of being shot, or her baby hurt, as occurred in an episode of the Rookies, or SWAT - I think the cop's wife was a nurse played by Kate Jackson, shot in the back in a restaurant while pregnant, losing the baby. Although not true, it is one that could be true, because, as I say to my nephew when explaining how a lot of drama on TV can be a reflection of real life - except of course, that Hollywood over dramatises that stuff - I say, it could be true, after all, it's not as if you see any aliens in it, or superheroes, so it has some feel of reality about it. As for those bits at the end telling what happened to the characters, some are amusing and make you realise it is all part of the untrue story, like the end of Jason Biggs' and Mena Suvari's ( she is nice ) movie Loser, or another I saw the end of, and cannot remember the title. Some time in the movie two people, I shall call Dick and Jane, were killed, and at the end, the film goes through what happened to the characters, something like ; Freddie went nuts, escaped the funny farm, enlisted in the John McCain ( you've done it again ) campaign, and felt right at home ; Freddie went to work for Saab as a crash test dummy; Sheila moved to Cleveland ; and it continues like that, finishing with and Dick and Jane are still dead. But again, I cannot recall which film it was. Even if the story is true, Hollywood and his fiscal friends will alter it for artistic monetary concerns, like filmed biographies of famous people. An example is the excellent British series the Tudors, which I know is not 100% historically accurate, but still educational. If I were filming history I would try to keep it as true as possible, but may be there is a worldwide teachers' association forcing movie makers to add invented things into their films, so that when illiterate Johnny has to do his book report on Lady Jane Grey, he cannot cheat by watching the lovely Helena Bonham Carter ( at the time of filming around the right age for her character ), and later Princess Bride star Cary Elwes, without opening a book. Otherwise the scene in the movie about Mr. Spock sharpening the axe at the excecution might ring alarm bells. Just kidding. Spock wasn't in that film, it was Uhura. The Russian202.36.179.66 (talk) 01:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC).

Interesting. Does this philopsophy apply in documentaries? If I made a doco, presented as factual, about, I dunno, the history of the Klondike Gold Rush, with old sepia prints of diggers and people scaling ice-covered mountains and so and so forth, and injected into it a series of photos of people or scenes that I knew had nothing whatever to do with the Klondike Gold Rush, but I claimed they did, that would a lie in amongst the truth. It would at least be partially true. But if I made a movie about Alice in Wonderland and claimed it was a true story, many parents would be up in arms because their kids would be bugging them ceaselessly about being taken there. That's why there's such a thing as consumer protection. -- JackofOz (talk) 22:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

There are many examples of fiction claiming to be truth (The Princess Bride comes to mind) and fiction documentaries claiming to be truth (This is Spinal Tap comes to mind). -- kainaw™ 04:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Now, I can't help but remember that when I took some sort of required writing class in college, we had to read and write a paper on The Princess Bride. I kept telling the other students to go to the library and get the original Morganstern novel if they wanted to impress the teacher. I don't think the teacher realized the joke. She probably thought I was an idiot for thinking there was an orignal Morganstern novel. -- kainaw™ 04:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I would assume not, as people watching a documentary have a reasonable expectation to get facts, rather than a story. The same is not true for movie-goers; even movies that make a reasonable attempt at telling a non-fiction story end up having to wilfully change things, such as compositing several bit players into a single character or playing with the time line for the sake of suspense or whatever. Just so you're clear, The Blair Witch Project and Cloverfield were made up too. Matt Deres (talk) 03:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

As for other mockumentaries, check out Peter Jackson's Forgotten Silver, about a fictitious NZ film pioneer. Good to see him on Entourage as himself, talking to Kevin Connolly, while filming green screen for a movie or video game. The Russian202.36.179.66 (talk) 01:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The phrase was popularized by Dave Barry, and he used it in the title of his 1995 book. But did he originate the phrase? Pepso2 (talk) 18:31, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Conan O'Brien used to have an equivalent to Jay Leno's Headlines, in which he showed funny things in newspapers. Conan would preface every segment by saying, "You can't make this stuff up." But unlike Leno's newspapers, Conan's newspapers were entirely made up -- they came from newspapers that didn't exist. (Such as the "Columbus Tribune" in Columbus, Ohio, or something.) -- Mwalcoff (talk) 13:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Porn stars' kids

Are there any porn stars who have children who have gotten involved in the industry (specifically, acting)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.117.26 (talk) 05:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Googling Porn star mother and daughter produces all the results you'll need, I think... Vimescarrot (talk) 11:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, at least, such a search makes claims that the two, erm, actresses so involved are "mother and daughter" and not just "random 40 year old lady and random 20 year old lady". My guess is that something arbitrarily close to 100% of those claims are bogus. --Jayron32 16:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Melissa Ashley's (article?) mother was in porn. Dismas|^(talk) 19:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Seems we still do have the article, though her mother isn't mentioned in it. I vaguely remember reading it on her site bio. Dismas|^(talk) 19:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and while it's not exactly what you were looking for... Sunset Thomas is the aunt of Sunrise Adams. Dismas|^(talk) 11:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Music Sheet

Can anybody tell me where I find the music sheet on how to play Guang Liang's song Tong Hua? I would really appreciate it if someone can help. --Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 07:28, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Batman Forever

Why Michael Keaton didn't reprise his role as Batman in Batman Forever? David Pro (talk) 12:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

From Batman Forever#Development - "Michael Keaton decided not to reprise Batman because he did not like the new direction the film series was heading in. Keaton also wanted to pursue "more interesting roles", turning down $15 million to appear in Batman Forever." Nanonic (talk) 13:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Delaying movie release dates in different countries

Why are movies delayed for release in different countries? E.g. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/releaseinfo - does this often occur and are the delays usually according to the same schedule?

There are, I believe, several reasons. One is that you used to actually need a huge number of physical copies of the film for a release. You need the most for the first few weeks of release, then you need fewer. If you stagger the release then you can reuse copies (assuming there are no language issues). If there are language issues then you probably need additional time to do the dubbing of the film.

If you stagger releases you can also have the stars present for the grand opening in each country. You can also tailor later releases depending on the reaction in earlier countries if the movie tanks, you can cut back on the advertising in later countries. In these days of instant communication there is less point, as the pirates will make more of a killing in the gap between the initial release and the release in their country. DJ Clayworth (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, the ideal moment for release may vary by country. For example, if releasing a children's film in the UK you would wait till the school holidays or half term. Itsmejudith (talk) 21:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

looking for an Music video "Class of -----"

It featured an high scool and the students in many years always the same street and same school but different cars and clothes , There was always this flag with "Class of 1970" - Class of 2000" ... There was an VW Campervan in 1970, then in 1980 an VW Beetle ... and so on. THANKS it was made/produced in 2000 - 2005 :) 85.220.45.231 (talk) 20:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Are you thinking of the video to Last Summer (song) by Lostprophets? Nanonic (talk) 20:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks in Advance, I Remember this video on the TV in 2004 like yesterday :D 85.220.45.231 (talk) 20:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Does that mean it is not "Last Summer"? —Akrabbim^talk 22:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't fit perfectly with your description, but could it be 'Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)' by Baz Luhrmann? Youtube link to video --Joe^Talk_Work 02:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)