User talk:Wykypydya

Hello! How's my editing? Please drop me a line. --Wykypydya

contribution to Spark Notes

Note of caution: tagging an edit as possible OR is not an acceptable way to edit/contribute to wikipedia; especially when said edit is blatant OR and admitted POV. By all means continue to be Be Bold. Good luck.--ZayZayEM 03:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Need help finding right template

Helpme inquiry: What kind of template (i.e. cleanup template) should one use on Wikipedia for a plot summary that needs to be explained better?

Question, why do we need a plot summary? Why wouldn’t we simply do what we are meant to do? Lovelight 03:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

WTF, what are you talking about? Is that some kind of abstract question or something? I meant the plot of a movie: What kind of template message would you put on an article describing a movie's plot that does a poor job?

I'm sorry, for some reason your user page disturbs me. Lovelight 04:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, you must be confused or something, because first you go off on a tangent about "doing what we are meant to do" and then you complain about my user page. (But just to play Devil's Advocate, I find the fake scenario on my user page quite amusing. Don't you?) --Wykypydya 04:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

What is Devil's Advocate? You are free to remove whatever disturbs you. It's just an opinion. Lovelight 04:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Opinions are welcome. To play Devil's Advocate is to hypothetically assume the argument of the other side and make a point about it. --Wykypydya 04:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I understand what got you so upset, since I've encountered a number of these "devil advocates" before, thank you. Lovelight 04:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of opinions, I see you are very devoted to 9/11 conspiracy theories. I wouldn't be too surprised if you're right. Bush has conspiracy written all over him. I don't know about the 9/11 conspiracies, but his corrupt oil and anti-environmentalist actions are really conspiracies.

Fact is, the conspiracy is based on conspiracy, that is, you label decent folks who are puzzled by unanswered questions [emphasis added] with a particular term, and then you make sure that it is as derogatory as possible… It's very desperate approach, since we've passed that event horizon, and you cannot go around and insult the whole wide world. I honestly wonder who will be the first to recognize the libel in label and sue for damage done… these days; one could easily sue a lot of folks. There, that is my only opinion on conspiracy theories… Well, since we are sharing perspectives, let me summarize. I'm not really interested in conspiracy or truthseeking… just facts. That said, I'm glad to know you. Lovelight 05:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not insulting anyone. Sorry you took it that way. --Wykypydya 05:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, let me assure you, i haven't taken that as insult, not at all, honestly… we are chitchatting and sharing opinions, right? :) Lovelight 05:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, please try {{Expand-section}}. -- Selket ^Talk 05:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

That would be a good replacement for {{sectstub}}. For the movie plot for now, I am using the {{confusing}} template and the {{rewrite}} template. --Wykypydya 16:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Username

Hello, Wykypydya. While there had been some discussion here about whether your username met Wikipedia policy on what usernames editors can use, the result was to allow it, and that discussion has now been closed. If you would like to see what concerns were raised, you can still find that discussion in the archive (here). You do not need to change your username. However, if you ever wish to do so, it is possible for you to keep your present contributions history under a new name: simply request a new name here following the guidelines on that page, rather than creating a whole new account. Thank you. -- ^High_InBC^{(Need help? Ask me)} 19:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC) ^High_InBC^{(Need help? Ask me)} 19:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow... I didn't know my username was so potent to spark such a controversial discussion. (How come no message was put here while it was going on? I would probably have commented...) It is such a coincidence that a rule about that was made right after. Does this mean that if I created the username afterward, it would have been blocked?

Basically, I sat for a long time thinking about what kind of username would be interesting, but most things were either taken or I had to put trailing numbers. I thought that something resembling the name "Wikipedia" but with different letters for the vowels, and all uniform, would be unique yet unintrusive. As for the comment about masquerading as a misleading identity or authority, I had no intention of that... The statement on my user page about being the "definitive" WP user is just a joke. I'll take it out if there's any objection to it. Everything else on the user page is just me making a creative slate out of my user page.

Anyway, I'd rather think that the username doesn't directly violate policy than justify it by saying that the rule was made afterwards. That being said, I hope a different result wouldn't have happened if I had made the username after the rule... but that's all academic anyway.

As I have no intention of misleading anyone, I'll do my best to correct anyone who is misled. If the fact that the username appears to be archetypal becomes too much of a problem, and/or I can think of something else unique yet nonintrusive, I'll consider changing it.

Thanks for understanding. --Wykypydya 20:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

You are correct in that you should have been notified of the discussion, it appears to have been an oversight. The discussion took place here. In answer to your question, if you had made your username after the rule it may have been disallowed depending on people's opinions. The discussion about your name very quickly, and almost unanimously, decided your name was fine. It was not really a controversial name. ^High_InBC^{(Need help? Ask me)} 21:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism subpages

Please note, your userspace /vandalism subpages have been deleted following a deletion debate at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Wykypydya/Vandalism. Thank you, — xaosflux ^Talk 04:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, chum! >:-( Those pages weren't bothering or infringing on anyone, were isolated in userspace, and were free for people to contribute to. You ascetic people are so intolerant of the most benign things! It wasn't vandalism of the encyclopedia itself; it was voluntary vandalism of my own userspace. It was the utilization of Wikipedia's free environment without adulterating real articles. Either way, again I wasn't notified when the debate was brought up, which isn't a very big deal other than that I might have considered commenting, unless that's actually the policy for debates about specific users.

I like my vandalism, and you people just take it away, take it away, take it away...

My vandalism lies over the ocean, my vandalism lies over the sea, my vandalism lies over the ocean, oh bring back my vandalism to me... --Wykypydya 02:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I think they are utilising WP:NOT#WEBSPACE--ZayZayEM 02:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, perhaps, in one interpretation, in some abstract way. --Wykypydya 02:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, wait a minute! On the debate they said what I was doing was similar to WP:BJAODN (bad jokes and other deleted nonsense)! If Wikipedia can have a bad jokes/nonsense page as a Wikipedia meta-article, then why can't I have a personal userspace tree for the same genre of content? --Wykypydya 02:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

As a note, a lot of people have illegal subpages, but it is customary to not delete other people's pages, because it kind of creates a bitterness I think, and as you may well already know. If you've got any secret subpages, you can have them privately deleted for fear of getting in trouble later on (and which may haunt you during an RfA). [Mac Δαvιs] ❖ 03:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Admin coaching

Hi :) Uh, let's start over. I didn't like how we started, and I didn't like how I had about three weeks of work to do. I, and somebody else are going to be coaching you and User:Deep_Impact, since although I've been around and seen a lot, I haven't "coached" before. [Mac Δαvιs] ❖ 03:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay --Wykypydya 03:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

How many more edits/time do you think I need before I'm eligible for adminship? --Wykypydya 01:02, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: A retort from the user you just reverted

"'Unsourced statements'? WTF? I put the 'citation needed' template in there." That's EXACTLY my point. It is UNCITED. "Uncited" means it needs a citation. As for lack of clarity, if you can't see that I doubt that I could convince you. Let's just say that the thoughts in your head aren't coming across in your words. I suggest that you get help writing, then if it makes sense I'll leave it if it's relevant and cited. Ward3001 02:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The purpose of a "citation needed" tag is not for the original contributor to insert in order to prevent deletion. It is inserted by another editor after an unsourced statement; if no source is added as a result, the statement is subject to deletion. Information in Wikipedia should be verifiable, meaning that the original contributor should cite source(s). Some editors fail to do this, which is why the cn tag is needed. You, as the original contributor of the information, should cite a source, instead of placing a cn tag and expecting someone else to cite the source. As for lack of clarity, regardless of the accuracy of the quotes, the text that introduces the quotes makes little sense. That's where you need help writing. I would offer to help you myself, except I have no idea what you're trying to say. Additionally, since the information you are adding is trivia, you need to read WP:HTRIV regarding integration of the trivia into the main article. I have my doubts that this can be done logically, but if you can I encourage you to do so. Ward3001 20:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit Summary

Please read Wikipedia guidelines on courtesy regarding edit summaries. I have recently edited Private company limited by shares and your comment regarding the correction of grammar you made, whilst accurate, could be construed as offensive. Matt Adore 15:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Sexual stereotyping

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Comment from userpage

The following is a copy of someone's comment and follow-up that was placed in the vandalism section of my userpage.

Edit Summary

Please read Wikipedia guidelines on courtesy regarding edit summaries. I have recently edited Private company limited by shares and your comment regarding the correction of grammar you made, whilst accurate, could be construed as offensive. Matt Adore 15:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Oops... I'll try to avoid this in the future. However, I regret to inform you that you have posted your comment in the vandalism section of my userpage, so technically this comment is vandalism and may be construed as nonsense. As a courtesy I'll copy this over to my user talk page. Thanx 4 the comment, though. --Wykypydya 17:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Your edits

Thanks for your edits to child sexual abuse. As it is a highly contested page, we are trying to limit any additions to fully cited, scientific sources. Adding a statement and then tagging it "citation needed" yourself, or adding a section and then tagging it a stub yourself is not a good idea in this case. A reference to a fictional television show is particularly unhelpful. Also, the location of your edit was not well chosen. Please join us on the Talk:child sexual abuse where a lot of this kind of work is being done prior to inserting it on the page. Thanks very much. -Jmh123 21:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Abuse reports

If a user adds an IP report to Wikipedia: Abuse reports, should the user then edit the accused user's talk page to inform them that they have reported them, or will an automated bot do it, or should they not be explicitly informed? (I have had several experiences in which administrative deliberations took place about my username and I wasn't informed (though I should have been) until they were concluded.) --Wykypydya 22:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Abuse reports doesn't really say what to do so it probably doesn't matter. Let the volunteers at Wikipedia:Abuse reports decide how to handle the problem I guess? If this answer isn't satisfactory, let me know so I can go look deeper. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 22:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

variance

I have reverted your edit to variance for reasons discussed at talk:variance. Michael Hardy 00:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

August 2007

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Why does this meet the criteria for speedy deletion? You're wrong! >:-( It's a valid stub article about a microcosmical topic! Geez -- I've been trying to make an article on this topic for years and SOME brat always takes it away. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wykypydya (talk • contribs) 21:39:04, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

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WTF? Wikipedia, the free POKEMON encyclopedia?!

Previous "help" statement:

We need a WP technician! Someone has hacked the entire Wikipedia site (or main template) so that all articles now have as a header under the title: "From Wikipedia, the free Pokemon encyclopedia"! This is interesting yet very bizarre!

It looks like it's been fixed. --Wykypydya (talk) 06:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Obsidian

Hiya, I did some cleanup on the lead at Obsidian (video game). FYI, it's totally fine to remove unsourced information, but strikeouts should probably be avoided. See also Wikipedia:Verifiability. Cheers, --Elonka 02:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

No, you see, I know for a fact that that guidebook didn't come with the game. We waited for f***ing two years for it to come in the mail!

Steward candidateship

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Aw, crap -- I got this and realized too late. I should have been on the ball with it. Anyway, I appreciate your giving me this reminder.

Random comment from someone

I have copied the following incorrectly-placed comment that was written on my userpage from a non-vandalism section, to here. --Wykypydya (talk) 00:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Whos is jimbo and why am I allowed to edit even though im not logged in? and i can save it, but can anyone else see it or is it temporarily changed only in my browser.

(— Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.199.125.10 (talk • contribs) )

My answer: Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit! You don't have to be logged in to edit Wikipedia, but the only difference is that you will be publicly identified by your Internet Protocol (IP) address... so that we can all see what region you're from and hack you. Just kidding about the "hacking" part.  ;) Proper editing and reversal of vandalism gets regularly enforced by the user and admin communities. --Wykypydya (talk) 00:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Sexual intercourse

I undid your edit to this page, because there are 68 other links which redirect to the page, and listing all of them would be impossible. In general, it is best to list only those redirects which have other meanings as well; "secks" really isn't something people would type when searching for leetspeak. -- Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 09:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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Your brain resembles the brain of a turkey

Now that's a fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.251.125.65 (talk) 13:42, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thank you! --Wykypydya (talk) 04:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

hi

can i use use/link your username on my userspace in order to say i agree with you on the subject of wikipedia vandalism?, and whats up with autosign, i hate that.

I guess so, although I was thinking of possibly changing or altering that viewpoint and/or the text at some point. --Wykypydya (talk) 22:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

See Wykypydya's vandalism for my comment to that, as it does not fit here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonez1113 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

What?? --Wykypydya (talk) 14:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

i mean it is vandalism and i do not mean to burden you with moving it.--Sonez1113 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC).

Hey uh, feel free to clean this to save space. --17:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)17:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonez1113 (talk • contribs)

Please delete this text here in this header. --Sonez1113 (talk) 17:22, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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See also for Charlie's Angels

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what?

What is this fake scenario you speak of? (the fake scenario on my user page) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonez1113 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

(Replied on User talk:Sonez1113) --Wykypydya (talk) 21:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind, I must have just thought I saw that. Also I am aware I can recover it from the edit summary, I just didn't feel like recovering the words of a personal attack creator who acts without evidence, I mean jeez, he didn't even check my contributions to see that I have never have vandalised any article.--Sonez1113 (talk) 18:56, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Bit of Help?

Hello Wykypydya, are you aware of how one can change their signature? I've just been wondering about that.--Sonez1113 (talk) 19:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Try Special:Preferences. --Wykypydya (talk) 22:04, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. --Sonez1113 (talk) 05:23, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

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Huh, interesting! Thanks. --Wykypydya (talk) 22:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome!

Response to deleted question here

I don't know, it looks like they're leaving userpages alone and deleting vandalism subpages. But they left my "idiotic reversal subpages" up. --Wykypydya (talk) 22:09, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

"a historic" vs "an historic"

In response to your edit summary here, I wanted to point out that both are technically acceptable. – anna 01:38, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Umm, no it is not! As that page even says, these words are not modernly pronounced that way, so it should only be left in quoted text or titles. Check out A_and_an#Discrimination_between_a_and_an. --Wykypydya (talk) 01:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Read that section more carefully. Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary considers both "a" and "an" acceptable: "Before unstressed or weakly stressed syllables with initial h both a and an are used in writing <a historic> <an historic>." You may not prefer it -- I don't either -- but it's not incorrect. – anna 01:49, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's just plain stupid and looks and sounds terrible. I've just created a new "crusade" on my userpage to remove instances of "an historic" where people can sign up their usernames. Want to join? --Wykypydya (talk) 01:54, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Per WP:ENGVAR, you should avoid making large-scale changes to English style in articles based on personal taste ("plain stupid", "sounds terrible"). Both 'a historic' and 'an historic' are used today in educated writing; neither is incorrect. — Carl (CBM · talk) 02:57, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

It's not correct and it never will be correct. --Wykypydya (talk) 03:18, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Mawson's Huts is written in Australian English. Australian English uses an historic; a historic is never used because in Australian English the h is weakly stressed and non-rhotic. We say it that way, we spell it that way, and it should stay that way. Regards (Crusoe8181 (talk) 04:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)).

It's a modern vs older issue. I was taught "an before h" at school, but many people nowadays use "a before h". Think of it as similar to how "either" and "neither" can be pronounced. Both ways are correct. It's not an issue to ge wikistressed over. Mjroots (talk) 04:55, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

There are several different reasons people use "an historic". For some, like Crusoe8181, it's an issue of a silent h. For others, it's the lack of stress on the first syllable. For still others, it's associated with a certain register and is chosen intentionally to invoke that register. The corpus of contemporary American English [1] shows that "an historic" is alive and well in American English. Unilateral claims like "It's not correct and it never will be correct." only demonstrate an ignorance of the matter. — Carl (CBM · talk) 11:38, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Wykypydya, good on you for changing "an historic" to "a historic." The Chicago Manual of Style specifically addresses this & says "a historic" is the correct usage. Good luck on your crusade. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 22:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

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Query

Please explain this. Materialscientist (talk) 04:14, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

And this and this amongst others. Why are you riding roughshod over the advice that you have been given re a/an historic? ► Philg88 ◄ ^talk 10:36, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Wykypydya....

Another user has expressed a concern about your userpage, particularly the bits that appear to be Jimbo Wales' signature. We have a policy about that: signature forgery. I wonder if you'd see your way clear to remove those? Also, please remember to stay civil in your edit summaries. I'm a little concerned about the ones I saw today. - Philippe 05:26, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello from Anna

I like the fact that you have a big brain and a ton of energy. I think you want to help. After all, you're spending your valuable time changing the "an" to help Wikipedia, right?

But I worry about your future here. You are starting to draw heat, my friend. I see you've been around since 2007. You certainly know that this is a collaborative project. Statements like "...Who the hell says "an historic"?..." and "...People who write "an" before a non-silent "h" are stupid..." is not a good plan. Nor is the Jimbo forgery on your user page. Nor is the adversarial stance. Try to get along and cooperate with other editors instead of editing with such a confrontational style. That would be good all around.

Also, I gather you've seen this sort of thing before and it usually goes one of two ways: You tone it down and become a respected, constructive editor who helps the project. You end up in fights that draw a lot of keystrokes off the construction of the project, and end up blocked.

Wikipedia could really use your obvious energy and intelligence. Please use your powers for good instead of......hmmmmm.......ummmm....I don't know. I can't think of the word. Anyway, you get my point. If there's anything you need, just drop me a line. Happy editing. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Response to editing concerns

Hmm... I didn't know that my editing was causing conflicts. Firstly, even if a bot can't be made to change "an" to "a", and assuming "an" is just as acceptable as "a", is it legitimate for users to edit it manually to improve style as long as the article stays valid? Or is it considered a poor practice to edit the article if some feel that there is nothing wrong with the style being used?

I don't mean anything bad by the edit summaries.

Also, the "Jimbo Wales" thing is just a joke; most of it is inside the "vandalism" section on the userpage. It is sort-of an inside joke: In the past I've seen people put the line "Can I really edit here?" and Jimbo Wales's signature. I don't know how often this is still practiced. So I decided to mock this practice over the years by putting it in the limelight and repeating it as an obvious joke in a non-serious section of the userpage. For example, I would not forge anyone's signature in this talk page. Where it is in a serious section of my userpage, it is identified as a quote. In some cases I use it in a fake dialog where the fake "Jimbo Wales" keeps repeating the line and I respond to it -- it's not meant to be a "forgery". So you can edit the "vandalism" section of the userpage if you like to remove it, or let me know if doing that in the first place is considered a violation.

Let me know if I need to do anything differently or if anything I'm doing is a violation of the rules. --Wykypydya (talk) 17:44, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

This isn't really about a violation of rules. It's about a rogueish departure from the way the community does things. It's disruptive and causes hard feelings. "...do anything differently..." you say? Sure, just do things how the community does. :) Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. But will it be acceptable if I continue changing "an historic" to "a historic" (Will it cause an edit war?) and re-instantiating the "Can I really edit here"/Jimbo Wales joke? --Wykypydya (talk) 19:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Change "an to a" here and there and see who barks. If nobody cares, do more. If editors object, then you must take it to talk and get consensus. If the whole thing drains your energy and the project's resources, drop it. If it really, really means the world to you, fight on for consensus. No consensus in the end? Tough noogies. Move on.

You are here to help the project, so weigh it out:

• A: The encyclopedia remains with many occurrences of "an historic". No energy expended.
• B: The encyclopedia has all occurrences of "a historic". The encyclopedia is missing some development it otherwise would have had if editors had spent their time working on articles instead of arguing over the "a historic" matter on talk pages.

Jimbo jokes are fine. Look at my user page. He's drinking vodka and his feet are cheese. It was the forged signature that users didn't like.

Happy editing. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Undo

I am going to undo your edits today to change "an historic" to "a historic". This is a WP:ENGVAR issue; the style established in each article should be left as is. Several people have indicated this on the bot request page. So please desist from making this sort of change en masse in the future. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:23, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Why would you do that? Are you asserting that "a historic" is invalid? There is no reason to change it back. I have discussed above that it would be OK to change "an historic" to "a historic" even though some people accept either way. --Wykypydya (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

The fact that people accept either way means that the way that is already used should be maintained. See WP:ENGVAR (especially WP:RETAIN) and WP:STABILITY. The general rule is, "Where there is disagreement over which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor.". In this case, that means that if the article was established using 'an historic' then this should be maintained, and the same for 'a historic'. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:34, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree with Carl. People are barking. "a" and "an" are both acceptable. The world doesn't have a preference. You do. Wikipedia belongs to the world. Consensus is forming right here that you should leave them as is. You are drawing keystrokes off the mainspace and being disruptive. Objectively, you must see that this is hurting the project more than "an --> a" might be helping. I respectfully suggest that you abandon the crusade. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:16, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Drawing keystrokes, eh? That's a funny perspective. All right, I guess my way has lost. No problem though, compromise is often needed in WP. --Wykypydya (talk) 15:56, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I must disagree about the application of WP:ENGVAR to this case. "An historic" isn't prescribed by any "major national variety" of English. It's clearly not British English: the OED insists on "a historic". Nor is it the default for American English: the Chicago Manual of Style and the AP Stylebook both call for "a historic"; Merriam-Webster allows both, but places "a historic" first, presumably as the preferred form.

A count of Google hits indicates that on pages that use one but not both variants, "a historic" is used on 79%. On pages that use one but not both variants together with "color" (used as an indicator of American English, vs. "colour" for British English), the frequency of "a historic" is 75%. Ammodramus (talk) 22:45, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

That's not a bad argument for "a historic". Well, I guess consensus is not forming right here that you should leave them as is. If you feel strongly, change them. I suggest adding a boffo edit summary to prevent reverts. Maybe toss OED and the google fact in there. Good luck on the campaign. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:23, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for offering some credence on this, I suspected that it would be possible to support these changes. What do "boffo" and "OED" mean? Hopefully there is a way to go about these edits without an edit war. --Wykypydya (talk) 23:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. (Boffo means really solid, and OED means Oxford English Dictionary.) What I mean is, instead of an edit summary that says "Hey idiots, 'a historic' is best", which will annoy people, try an edit summary that looks something like this: ("an --> a" per Google (79% favouring "a"), Oxford English Dictionary, and numerous other sources.) Then editors will need to revert with an argument that supersedes that. My guess is that most will accept your change. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:52, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

After inserting my first comment, I read some of the earlier sections of this page, and encountered User:Crusoe8181's comment that "an historic" is standard Australian English. If this is so, I blush for my ignorance and apologize to my antipodean brethren, and I'd endorse the phrase's use in articles closely connected to Australia. However, when I searched the Sydney Morning Herald website for ("a historic" OR "an historic"), the first ten hits came up 70% "a" and 30% "an". Ammodramus (talk) 01:39, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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