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User:RickWilliams75

Hi again. I've replaced the {{adopt me}} template on this user's page - one of the conditions of his unblock is that he gets himself a mentor, so I added him to the Users seeking adoption category to facilitate the process. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:55, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd just spotted this and was in the process of putting it back! Totally my fault, rushing things. Sorry! Worm^TT(talk) 08:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem; if I got a trout for every time I had to go back and revert myself I could give up bookselling and become a fishmonger. Albeit a highly specialised one... Yunshui 雲‍水 09:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the message :D

Thanks for the message, and it actually reminded me to remove the tag, I had completely forgotten that it was on my page. I have learned along the way and no-longer require adoption, and as such have removed the tag :D thanks again NotinREALITY 10:27, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

That's great to hear :) If there's every any more I can do to help you out, please do let me know. Worm^TT(talk) 10:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, where is the template and/or location of my reference, I cannot find any templates for this on my account :D NotinREALITY 10:33, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

You had sneakily hidden it at User:NotinREALITY/Discussion. It still showed up on the category though! Worm^TT(talk) 10:34, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Ahh found it, thankyou very much for the help :D NotinREALITY 10:36, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

No problems, good luck for the future. Worm^TT(talk) 10:37, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Adopt

Yes, I'll do! Thanks! --Tito Dutta ✉ 10:51, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Bodged edit

Hi Dave, i've managed to mess up a reference in this edit and i can't fix it (i've tried for the last 15 minutes). Can you sort it and comment on the rewording i created? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 12:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Either there's 2 errors there or i create another when i try to fix it...ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 12:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Got it. Worm^TT(talk) 12:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Not quite, the text from the reference is actually in the paragraph. See the big hyperlink? That's meant to be a reference. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 13:02, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Did Worm get it? I'm looking at the article but not sure as to exactly what you're referring to. Ryan Vesey 13:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I believe I did :) Worm^TT(talk) 13:18, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

He's got it now Ryan, you're too late to the party =P

Thanks again Worm ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 13:20, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I also require information on how i merge User:Jenova20/Born This Way Foundation with Born This Way Foundation since it was originally merged into the Lady Gaga through a consensus or a no consensus for deletion (i don't remember which). Do i need a new consensus to move this article from my user space or just a requested move of multiple pages? Born This Way Foundation is currently a redirect. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 14:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm. That's interesting, the article is in a significantly different shape than it was. I would recommend it be brought across on a history merge... I'll have a think and get back to you tomorrow about it :) Worm^TT(talk) 15:01, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't the social links be deleted on gaga's page? --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 15:02, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

In the external links section? I could certainly see that point of view, but it'd be a lot of effort to persuade the people who edit the article ;) Worm^TT(talk) 15:07, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I just realized a coward posted a sticker on it saying it has links do not fit policies but did not delete them, hehehe, hilarious! --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 15:12, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Are we talking about the Lady Gaga article? Editors there are too fanatic for even me to get an edit in. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 15:14, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Why bother. There's much more fun things to with your time. For example, go to todays XKCD and "click and drag"... it's... big. Worm^TT(talk) 15:16, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I take that back actually, my legacy lives on...I added her signature to the infobox =P

ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 15:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I like her anyway, but she will have to drug me to convert me to be a fan. Some people really have powerful charisma, charming quality. Maybe I will create an even weaker sticker mentioning the guy who posted the sticker failed to edit himself, lol! --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 15:20, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I took the social networking external links out but i'm not so sure the others are a violation. Hopefully that will get the ball rolling now...ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 15:32, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Just to be sure, social networking EL's are okay if they are official; however, WP:EL#Minimize the number of links gives you a reason to remove those that you removed. They were already linked from the main page of her website. Ryan Vesey 15:35, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that confirmation Ryan =D I'll try and remember it for the future.

Thanks again! ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 15:39, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Worm That Turned. You have new messages at TParis's talk page.
Message added 17:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

v/r - T P 17:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

First Test

Hi Dave, just thought I'd let you know that I have answered/attempted the first test you set for me. So, fingers crossed I did good, although I'm not that positive bout it. Jenova20 seems to think I've done a good job on them, but I suppose we'll see what you say! BlueStars83 (talk) 17:31, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I had a second go at that third question. Don't think I'm anywhere near right though, this synthesis issue(if that's what it is) is something I don't understand at all! BlueStars83 (talk) 18:13, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user overhaul

Hi Dave,

I've started creating some subpages in my userspace in which to work on updating the Adopt-a-user project (should you wish to have a tinker, please feel free; they're all under this prefix). One I'd particularly like you to take a look at is User:Yunshui/Overhaul/Adopter message, which I'm planning to drop onto the talk pages of all the currently listed adopters. If you wouldn't mind just checking the wording and confirm that you're happy for me to do this, I'll get started. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I'll work on the editors who have requested adoption. I've added a suggestion that they keep an eye on the project for upcoming changes, the more the merrier. Worm^TT(talk) 08:52, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Right, I'll start spreading the word. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:55, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay, that's everyone on the current adopters list notified, barring me and thee. Took ages; I should have used a bot... Yunshui 雲‍水 09:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Good-o. I see there's already been a few signups, which gives me a little hope. I'm up to D on the adoptees, but have cleared out a few. Worm^TT(talk) 09:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I've delisted or offered adoption to a few as well; it's looking less cluttered over there now. Like your standard message, by the way. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:40, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Yep, I've got through all them. Well that's a good start - there's only around 25 people for adoption now. Just need to actually sort the adoption pages next... Worm^TT(talk) 10:43, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I've been playing around with a copy of the main adopt-a-user page here; it's nowhere near finished with but you are welcome to edit it as well (saves having multiple drafts in different places). I'll create drafts for the other principal pages as well, they'll appear here. Same offer/request applies, feel free to mess about with them all you want. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've made potential changes to the text of User:Yunshui/Overhaul/Landing page, User:Yunshui/Overhaul/Adoptee's area and User:Yunshui/Overhaul/Adopter's area; mostly fairly minor stuff intended to streamline the text a bit. If you could look them over and make changes/suggetsions when you've got a minute, that would be grand. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:44, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I've been keeping an eye on your changes on my watchlist, haven't seen anything I'd consider problematic. As the project is currently inactive, I don't believe there's any problem with boldly adding your changes (I've been making a few directly). Go for it, if there's any problems, they can be tweaked afterwards. Worm^TT(talk) 07:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Done and dusted. I've left the (now empty) text box at the bottom of the Adopter's Area page, in case one of us things of something useful to put in it... Yunshui 雲‍水 10:45, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Thanks for all your help on this, especially in getting me moving! I really do appreciate it. Worm^TT(talk) 10:49, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure, it's nice to be doing something other than CSDs. I've started a page for mentors (as opposed to adopters) here; it's a placeholder at present so feel free to spruce it up if you're not busy. I'm inclined to think that we should incorporate mentorship under the Adoption banner to some degree, but that would probably require an RfC. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:55, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Park

I found a website for each club. Have a look now and see if there's anything else needs to be changed User:RexRowan/Turnbull Thomson Park --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 13:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I think the park article is pretty much done. There's some nice images on TigerTurf website but copyrighted. I'm going to move it to article space now if it's ok. --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 14:27, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

I would appreciate it if you could leave it for the time being, so I can double check :) Worm^TT(talk) 14:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Sure! Dangerous panda said some of the clubs need to be removed if not very notable. --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 14:40, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Dan Penteado

I'm sure you know this man Dave, if you look carefully you will also notice he has three birth years in this stub article!! Your recommendation? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 15:38, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

And it wasn't exactly difficult to find his age...via BBC.

So if he's 40 there then was his birth year 71 or 72? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 15:50, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

As always, I remove birth years if they contradict. It's a lot less harmful to have no birthdate than incorrect one(s) Worm^TT(talk) 08:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

And he could be born in 71, with a birthdate after July, or in 72 with a birthdate before July ;) Worm^TT(talk) 08:03, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I've got around the issue =P and rewrote the article with some more information. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 08:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Roger Bamkin?

Isn't this the guy from Wikipedia takes Coventry? ...Not very often i see someone in the news i've actually met...ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 18:05, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Yep :) and Gibraltarpedia is what we talked about! Worm^TT(talk) 18:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Ahh...I'm not gonna be seeing your name in the news too then am i? ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 18:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

I would love to get paid by Wikipedia to go around taking photos. :D --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 18:56, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Ha ha! Me too! Help me out with the Dan Pentiago guy then, i can't work out his age...ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 20:41, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

1972. Are you ready to take on the food challenge? :D --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 07:55, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Sure, i skipped breakfast and BlueStars83 can vouch for my excellent cullinary skills. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 08:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Wow, so dedicated! You deserve a reward for your devotion alone! Sometimes I can hear the gay couple next door having sex in the early mornings, most fascinating! --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 09:15, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

...Well i can promise it's not me...unusual choice of words there Rex by the way...nuff said lol!...ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 10:10, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I wanted to dig a hole on the wall and film it then send it to discover channel under fair use but fear they may murder me during sleep. :D --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 10:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I think this conversation has stepped over a line... let's draw a different line under it :) Worm^TT(talk) 10:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I will stop. But I don't think they'll mind, they let me sign their Viagra packages for them. I wonder if Austin's dad was right that people will have a stiff neck if not washed down. --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 10:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I think it's more about this having little to do with the section it is under Rex...ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 11:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh, ok. Have you figured out what the answers to the food challenge yet? By the way, Alienware is giving away tickets to Eurogaming fair in London, they gave out products too. Give it a go. --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 11:10, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not a stickler for travelling such distances, plus i have 5 birthdays to deal with so i'm busy for this month and most of next. Thanks for signing my guestbook too! ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 11:30, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome! Happy birthday to whoever they are too! :D --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 11:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Template fun!

I was thinking it would be useful if users who were willing to be mentors had their own category. I haven't created one yet, but I wanted to check something first... If I add the text {{#if: {{{mentor}}}|<includeonly>{{#ifeq:{{{categories}}}|no||{{DMC|Editors willing to mentor sanctioned users}}}}</includeonly>}} to Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adopter Profile, would that add them to Category:Editors willing to mentor sanctioned users correctly if they add mentorship=yes? I'm not confident enough to try it out without getting it checked first! Yunshui 雲‍水 13:33, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking about that, and I don't think it would... categories are based on userpages, rather than templates... I'm not 100% certain though. I was thinking of creating a new userbox though for "This editor is willing to mentor or adopt users" which adds it - you're welcome to that! Of course, you can always try your method - if it works, it makes everything MUCH easier, and what's the worst that would happen if it doesn't work? Worm^TT(talk) 13:36, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

No, I think you're right - looking at it again, the code above would just categorise Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters as soon as someone ticked the mentorship box. The way round it would be to host the profiles on individual userpages and transclude them, but that seems overly complicated (although it would make it easier for people to edit their own profiles). Userboxen could work, but the little icon you've created will make it fairly easy to find willing mentors on the adopters list anyway, so a category would be slightly redundant. Back to the drawing board... Yunshui 雲‍水 13:42, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking about the transclusion method, and we may end up going down that route. They great benefit to that is that we could generate a "random adopter" from the transcluded list. I think it needs some more contemplating before we do that though Worm^TT(talk) 13:44, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Profile

Greetings, I went to hospitalize my grandmother who has faced a cerebral attack and is in a critical condition now. I have just come back. I may need to visit the hospital again in next 1–2 hour(s). Thanks for adding the profile. I'll revise it and add image etc in next 24 hours. Best --Tito Dutta ✉ 15:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Of course, there's no rush. Hope your grandmother is ok. Worm^TT(talk) 15:05, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Adopting

I see you're a very seasoned adopter! Are you currently taking adoptees? Thanks, AFisch99 (talk) 20:43, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Quick question...

Could you please take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Untitled_Star_Trek_sequel#Requested_move_.28for_reals_this_time.29 and move the page if you feel that there is enough support to WP:SNOW close the move request? Thanks! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 05:51, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Done --Elen of the Roads (talk) 13:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Zero contrition from Rtmcrrctr

Not that it's surprising, given how things went. But please, be very clear that he's gotta shape up. Honestly, I started the RFC/U instead of asking for a ban because I thought it would be a suitable forum for various editors from outside the article to give him guidance. And I did so in good faith, at what I perceived to be the suggestion of TParis (though apparently he was referring to Arzel, I clearly saw Rtm as the worst offender on both edit warring and AGF; Arzel just repeatedly asserts that well-sourced material is UNDUE, which is wrong but not breaking any rules in my book). I specifically didn't go straight for a ban, even though he continued the edit war even after the article was under probation, because I didn't want to be biting the newbies. Well, that sure didn't work out well. I honestly wish you good luck picking up the pieces. But I fear that this result may just end up being an extreme case of WP:ROPE. Homunq (talk) 02:12, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Part of the reason I came here was to let you know that the RFC/U is now ready for closure. Sorry, I should have said that explicitly the first time. Homunq (talk) 15:13, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I know, it's on my to-do list. I'm hoping to get it done this weekend - since I've volunteered to fully assess the situation, including the behaviour of at least 4 editors, it's no small job. Worm^TT(talk) 15:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Yep. If your net is as wide as 4, it would be hard for me to draw a line before 8 or 9. The four certifiers, including myself, on one hand; and Rtm, Arzel, North8000, lgr, and Collect on the other. But that's my list; if yours is shorter, good for you. Homunq (talk) 15:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I won't be around much for this. I have to check out of WP for a while, but I'll still hear if you leave a message on my talk page. Good luck. Homunq (talk) 19:36, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

It may be that there's a lot of people. I saw 4 from a short glance. Unfortunately, I didn't have time to look over the weekend, but hopefully if I get my work done quickly I'll be able to do it today. Worm^TT(talk) 07:35, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to RfC

Hi Dave. I wanted to invite you to participate in an RfC regarding adding color differentiation to Wiki markup, particularly towards references. You are welcome to participate whenever you are able. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 06:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:AIV

Could you give a look-see to AIV? Got a couple reports there that needs attention. Thanks. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm a touch busy at the moment, so can't really get into anything, but that doesn't look like vandalism to me. Remember, vandalism isn't just adding incorrect info, but incorrect info with intent to harm the encyclopedia. I get that you disagree with the information, but it doesn't look like vandalism to me. Worm^TT(talk) 08:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Dave i've thought of donating this part of my noob test for your adoption if you will have it?

I think it emphasizes pretty well the differences:

Helpful Unhelpful Vandalism

Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 09:00, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

@Worm: It wasn't just incorrect information, it was inaccurate information. The anon reverted back to titles of networks like "SciFi Channel" (now just "Syfy") and "Fox Reality Channel" (no longer on the air). That could be considered harmful to the project as it was intended to disrupt (or harm) those reading that page. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:06, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

As I said, I haven't looked in detail, and if the information is incorrect it would be harmful to the project. However, it appears clear to me that that the IP in question is not adding the information with the intent to harm the encyclopedia, the edits appear to be in good faith. Talking to them about the problems with their edits would be a much better way forward. Worm^TT(talk) 09:09, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Wanted to update you on this: the vandalism continued from User:12.153.112.21‎ and the anon created a sock account (User:IP 12.153.112.21). User:The Anome indef-blocked the pseudo-IP-address-named account and User:Daniel Case blocked the actual IP account for 24 hours. I suspect there will be more as the user doesn't seem to understand (or care) what he/she is doing. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:55, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks like things escalated then - I certainly don't disagree with blocking someone who's refusing to discuss changes :) Worm^TT(talk) 07:36, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Regardless of what the user claims below, their "adjustments to accommodate the other editors' concerns" is just plain bull because there aren't any "other editors' concerns", just the anon's. The user has not taken the time or shown the effort to get updated sources and references from 2012, they continue to work from sources from 2007 they have admitted are old and inaccurate. They are clearly not "good faith" editing they claim to be doing. Blocks are need for the anon as this is now beyond borderline disruptive and we are into pure, blantant and knowly disrupting Wikipedia. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:53, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Jenova, thanks for that, I will probably be using it when I get round to sorting that part of the course :) Worm^TT(talk) 09:09, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool. I recall having trouble telling good faith unhelpful edits from vandalism a while back too Homer but classing them under 3 different types helped me. Hopefully it will help others too. Have a good day and no disrespect meant ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 09:18, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I hope noone is getting the idea that I refuse to discuss changes. In fact, review of my edits will show that I am making adjustments to accommodate the other editors' concerns but that I am being reverted with no (or hardly any) discussion repeatedly. Further, I am working from sources and the other editors are not. This is a content disagreement, not vandalism. Thank you. 12.153.112.21 (talk) 00:32, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

AAU overhaul

Wow. The New AAU page looks amazing! Thanks for setting my little box up. Dumb question... how would I go about uploading said picture? haha... Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 20:32, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Not a stupid question at all. I'd recommend going through Commons for images, so if there's a image you've taken, wander over to their upload form and upload it. Otherwise, feel free to look through commons for an image which takes your fancy. Once you've done that, just write in the name of the file (with extention) to the template. Worm^TT(talk) 07:33, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you kindly sir :) Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 21:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Not getting edit conflicts

Is it due to an update that i'm no longer receiving edit conflict meessages and so some of my edits aren't being saved (and i'm not being warned) in these situations? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 12:35, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd suggest you ask at WP:VPT. Someone will have an answer for you for sure. Ryan Vesey 12:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I was trying to write Exactly, faced the same thing in WP:ANI yesterday! but got an edic conflict here! :-D --Tito Dutta ✉ 12:40, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Great minds...

...think scarily alike! Yunshui 雲‍水 09:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Really freaky. Don't know what inspired me to do it just then... Worm^TT(talk) 09:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Thinking about being an admin.

Actually, while I'm here, I wanted to let you know am considering being an admin sometime in the next year. A lot of people seem to ask you about whether they would be a good candidate for an administrator here. If you are too busy to appraise my candidacy and/or don't know me very well, that's fine, and don't feel obligated to do so. Let me say a few things about myself.

I think my biggest strengths and where I could (and want to) help the most as an admin is in AFD, AIV, DRV, and ANI, mostly because that is where I find myself spending most of my time learning about Wikipedia and how to assess editor interactions and help make them more effective. I think my weaknesses are in policies revolving around specific article content (like content disputes) and about hiding and deleting page revisions, mostly because I have not created many articles myself (though I have edited many existing ones).

There are other activities I do here that I think would support my reputation as a good candidate. I enjoy welcoming and helping new users as a host at The Teahouse and a participant in the Feedback Dashboard. These two relatively new initiatives have been really effective ways for connecting to new users, and I would want to continue to use them as an administrator. I really value editor retention efforts here, and I believe connecting with new users quickly is a big part of that. I also try to categorize AfDs every once in a while to give them more visibility, as we are suffering from a problem of lack of participation in many deletion discussions (also to lighten the load for Gene93k.

I also have had a tendency to break off from Wikipedia, though that has been due to graduate school responsibilities. I suspect some will be concerned with my off-and-on presence. I also feel like edit count is not a great factor on which to judge an admin candidate, but I perceive some will be concerned that my edit count simply isn't "high enough." I suppose my last concern is that I have not created many articles. But I have rescued a nontrivial amount of articles from deletion and improved them, and I think that there are other ways to be an admin than to be intricately involved in the creation of articles on Wikipedia. While it is surely an important component of this project, it is by no means the only one.

So...I think that's enough. Let me know what your thoughts are. And, don't worry if you feel like you don't have a strong opinion to offer one way or the other. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 06:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey Jethrobot. It seems you've got a pretty good idea about what people look for in administrators, so I'm not sure how much more I'll be able to tell you! However, I'll have a look through your contributions and see if there's any advice I can offer. Worm^TT(talk) 07:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi again Jethrobot. Well, I've had a good look at your contributions, and to be honest, your comments above almost identically mirror what I'd have said to you. Your on/off editting is probably a bigger problem than you realise - there's a lot of editors who want some consistency in an adminsitrator, and despite the fact that you do good work when you're here, the long gaps will be frowned upon. If you could do a bit of work each month that you're at grad school, just to push you over the 100 edits per month for say 6 months to a year, then I think that would stand very well in your stead.

Also, content creation. You've recognised it as a weakness, so get on and write something! There's loads of articles out there that need work, work on them! You're clearly educated, something must hold your interest, write about it. I'd suggest you get a few articles reviewed by your peers, be it GA or DYK.

Overall though, it seems you've got a good head on your shoulders and you know what's needed for adminship. If you see anyone else who might be interested in the mop, nominate them or point them out to me... I'd certainly apprecaite it. Worm^TT(talk) 08:20, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this feedback, particularly because I noticed you have been really busy lately. I am also grateful that you took the time to be honest with me. I have been sort of wondering about where I stand as an editor, and you know that it's tough to do a fair self-appraisal. I don't think I have a good sense of how tough the RfAs can be (I've only participated in a few), and I wasn't aware that my on/off editing would be such a big concern, for instance. Given some of those concerns, it's clear I'm not ready to be an admin anytime soon, even if my attitude is in the right place. But it is good to hear confirmation that I'm on the right track. Right now, it's nice to "window shop" at the idea of being an admin, but I'll come back in about a year and see how it fits me then. If it feels right, could I ask you for another brief review like this one, perhaps over e-mail? I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 05:18, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and I will be sure to pass along anyone else who I think would wield that mop constructively. I have a few in mind, but they are either somewhat inactive right now or I need to take the time to check their (mostly lengthy) contributions. :) I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 05:21, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Writer's Block

Hi Worm! I'm working on the Copyright quiz and reading the policies, although I'm not done yet. I'm feeling a bit of writer's block and cannot find a topic for my 22nd article. Do you have any suggestions, particularly one I can bring to DYK? Thanks, Electric Catfish (talk) 01:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC).

Well, I've got a few suggestions which I've made a start on, but just couldn't get round to actually doing if you like. If you want a joint DYKs, there's May Byron, an article I'd like to see up to good at some point. She wrote cookbooks, poetry and versions of Peter Pan for young readers. There's also Richard Rennison, the last anvil priest - but I've got some plans for that article, and some photos I've taken to upload.

Otherwise, there's Ronda and David Armitage, some children's writers or Warren Harris, the French Quarter killer from New Orleans - you can find some sources in User:Worm That Turned/To Do.

If none of those take your fancy, write about something that interests you, local places or history is always good, as is local cuisine or culture. Worm^TT(talk) 07:52, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Electric Catfish (talk) 13:35, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I've been thinking...

...about becoming an admin. What do you think? Am I ready for the mop or do I need more experience? Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 06:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I think you've got plenty of experience Barts1a, but I really don't think that's the problem. You've only recently come off restrictions, I think you need to prove to the community that it was the right choice to remove those sanctions. Your most recent block was in June, you've quit at least one mentor and you haven't shown any need for the tools. You haven't created much content, something that many believe is essential for an adminship. But most importantly, I would like to see you prove that you've got the right temperment to be an administrator - and that means not escalating conflicts, not using evocative language and most certainly not acting in a way you believe is disruptive to prove a point. Sorry to be blunt, but at the moment, you'd be snowed out of there. Worm^TT(talk) 07:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. Other than the Timeshift9 incident how would you rate my behavour overall after the restrictions were lifted? Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 10:18, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Other than that, I've not seen any issues at all. However, it's not me you'd need to persuade ;) Worm^TT(talk) 10:32, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Nice to know I'm on the right track... but I'll get run over if I just stand there! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 10:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Getting there :) Of course, a large portion of your editing since the restrictions were lifted was the Timeshift affair and comments like this could be better worded to say the least. I think that you've got to learn how to not get worked up with things on Wikipedia, and if you are worked up to step away from the keyboard. Worm^TT(talk) 10:47, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Out of depth

I figured i could do this but it would involve at least 6 pages in my user space of jibberish (to me). Do you have time to help me/point me to someone who could help me with it? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 14:24, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Just one page of gibberish, I think - it's very similar to my tabs bar, but again that's gibberish. I could probably lend you a hand in a week or so, but am a touch too busy for the time being. I've got a lot of staplers who are very good with this sort of thing too, perhaps one of them might offer you a way to emulate User:Reaper Eternal's tabs? Worm^TT(talk) 14:28, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Maybe, any names spring to mind? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 14:38, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Admin Request

Hello, grand Admin. I really would like to become one. When I do, I will be very good.

Jawshewah (talk) 16:40, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jawshewah. I'm sure you will make a great admin one day, but that day is not know. Wikipedia likes to have Adkins who can show experience of many things, and therefore many thousands of edits. Forget about being an admin for now, show yourself to be a great editor and come back to me this time next year to ask the same thing :) Worm^TT(talk) 07:20, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Barts1a

To a certain degree I may have a part but ... [1]. extra999 (talk) 01:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Rtmcrrctr

I understand that you don't have time to properly close the RFC/U as you promised. However, you are still the only mutually-accepted-as-neutral third party involved. As such, I think it would help if you asked some other capable third party to step in. If either "side" tried that, they could be accused of bias in their selection; but you are above reproach here. Homunq (talk) 15:32, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Again, it would be really good if you could help out there. It may be too late; though RTM did back off, there have now been 4 topic bans for behavior at that article, which might have been avoided if the RTM issue had been resolved more cleanly. But you did make an offer, and others acted based on that offer; so if you can't keep it, you could try to find someone who can. Homunq (࿓) 12:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I know, but it would take as long to find someone who would be willing to review as it would to review it myself. I know I made a commitment, but I just don't have time to fulfil it, something I specifically mentioned at that talk page. Yes, if I were able to help, the situation may well have ended up differently, but I was not able to and I am still not able to. Wikipedia is a volunteer effort, real life comes first, I cannot help out here. Worm^TT(talk) 13:03, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

RfB?

Hi Worm That Turned! I know that I haven't personally interacted with you (at least not much), but based on what I've seen here and there, you are one of the premier editors we have. I've noticed that you aren't a bureaucrat, and with your permission, I'd like to take steps to correct this injustice. AutomaticStrikeout 02:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd vote for Worm. He's exactly the type of uncontroversial administrator that a bureaucrat should be. That being said, he might have some trouble due to the lack of frequent use of the admin tools so far. I think it'll come down to whether or not he wants to change peoples' usernames or not. Considering the lack of those right now, I believe the community would be willing to accept him. Ryan Vesey 03:53, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

How very kind of you Automatic Strikeout. I kicked this idea around in my head a lot recently, around when Beeblebrox ran, because my argument against him was that he wasn't boring, and then I remembered I am. Luckily 28bytes ran, and that took the pressure off. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would vote for me, but I'm not convinced I'd pass, for pretty much the reasons that Ryan mentions, I'm not a button mashing admin, I take ages over decisions, investigating and seeing if there are alternatives. As such I'm one of the lowest tool users out there, and that's going to put people who don't know me off. I've only significantly worked in one of the key crat areas.

I'll think on it some more, a few months ago I was vehemently against the idea, now I'm not so sure. Worm^TT(talk) 07:16, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd support you without any hesitation - you know I would, but is it worth it for the two extra tools and closing two RfAs a month? With your patience and diplomacy for unraveling contentious issues I would actually more like to see you running for arb. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

As I did last year? First runner up don't you know, only about 8 votes in it. At the beginning of the year I would have said a straight no, but I've been persuaded by a few people. I'm still on the fence, but I think I'm more suited to that role than that of a crat. It might be nice to have a bit more sense on that committee. Worm^TT(talk) 09:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Golly, you're telephathic too. if you had seen the original draft of my message above before I actually posted it, it went on to say "... actually more like to see you running for arb and knocking some sense of reality into that cabal". But because I'm a loudmouth, I thought better of it ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd love to Support you! I think that your skills at resolving disputes is better for ArbCom, and I highly recommend you run again this year. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 11:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Cheers Catfish. It's nice to see the support I have :) Whether or not I will run for Arbcom - I don't know. There's a lot of factors I'd have to consider, and one of them is whether my time could be better spent elsewhere. Worm^TT(talk) 12:18, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, if you run, I fully intend to support you. AutomaticStrikeout 03:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Zero tolerance for incivility

What would you think about a change in NPA to make a true zero-tolerance for personal attacks with no preventative not punitive argument applying? If you people were blocked for 24 hours every time they called someone an idiot, soon enough they'd stop calling people idiots. It would take all subjectivity (outside of block length for severe or repeat cases) out of the equation. Do you think it would actually solve the problem and is there any chance something like that would go over? Ryan Vesey 04:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) there would still be subjectivity. One admin's ~~pedal~~personal attack is another person's reasonable judgement. For example, in Australia, calling someone a bastard can be a term of endearment. Also, I was recently involved in an altercation with a group of admins over the blocking (biting) of a new user, where I was repeatedly told to drop the issue with a whole slew of personal attacks from the admins who were essentially circling their wagons. In that instance (and probably almost every other case at ANI) there would have been quite a few blocks all around (maybe even for me, for accusing the admins of circling their wagons). ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 05:03, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The irony is that incivility and personal attacks are what have brought the RfA process to its knees, and if there were to be a bright line for incivility and personal attacks, there soon won't be enough admins to do the blocking! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:52, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I think Danjel has it spot on. Personal attacks come down to offence, I've only been offended by one thing people have said to me here though Ive had a fair few attacks on my person. I've got to ask though, what do you think is more uncivil, a vague insinuation that someone is the biggest problem with the encyclopaedia, or a straight "fuck off, you idiot" to someone who's goading you. I hope different people would fall on different sides of that question, and I'm willing to move the goalposts to make it harder for you. Zero tolerance won't work. One day I'll write an essay... Maybe it'll help. Worm^TT(talk) 07:05, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stapler) But surely there should be a bright line for "pathetic worm". [2] ☺ Neotarf (talk) 07:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

something for your essay Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Note

Everything else aside, this has nothing to do with personal "pride". As admins, we should understand up front that any action is at the discernment of the community, and as such can be reversed.

Bishonen asked for their tools back; used them to unprotect a talk page; then (re-)affirmed that they did so for WP:INVOLVED reasons on their talk page.

We've recently had several admins sanctioned (including de-sysopping) by arbcom for doing just that. Such action is clearly inappropriate.

So for me the issue is not pride, but rather not feeling that we should allow for such a double standard.

There is appropriate and inappropriate, and I don't see how any objective observer can see this as anything but clearly inappropriate.

Anyway, I'm kinda busy with something else (RL calls) atm, and of course WP:TIND, but I wanted to drop you a note to try to clear up what I saw as a possible misunderstanding. - jc37 19:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

"I have received an email from this user" =/= WP:INVOLVED. Possibly your abhorrence of email has led you to this erroneous conclusion. Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Jc37, but as I pointed out on Bishonen's page, I cannot see that the protection was valid. I thought that at the time, and I think it now. If I'd had time or inclination I'd have followed it up myself, but I had better things to do. If Bishonen had drawn my attention to it further, I'd have probably unlocked it myself. The way you've handled it since then though, not justifying your actions, not allowing discussion of your actions (by removing comments on your talk page, the obvious place to handle it), ignoring requests by email (which would have been fine, if you contacted Bishonen to say you didn't want to discuss by email), taking it to Arbcom enforcement and shouting "wheel war" and "involved" despite a wheel war being the 3rd move, not the second, along with no obvious involvement (please do feel free to show me any) - showed to me that you appeared to take it personally. If I'm wrong, I apologise, but I'd like to see a valid reason for the protection. If the protection is not valid, then Bishonen's actions were appropriate per IAR. Worm^TT(talk) 20:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

@elen - It's not abhorrence of email, but a preference to transparency, and that except in very specific instances, all discussion wikipedia-related discussion should take place on wiki. I'm in the process of cooking dinner right now. But I'll go ahead and see about adding diffs (I look at the arb request and notice that I didn't add any diffs. In hindsight I see that it's possible that what I saw as self evident by anyone watching may not be as obvious to those who don't regularly read through edit histories.)

@wtt - let me try to answer point by point:

First this isn't about the initial protection. That's a different discussion, and one I'm happy to have once this is resolved. (Incidentally, I think anyone with an opinion on this - including me - should re-read WP:ADMIN and WP:PROTECT. If what is stated there is not per arbcom ruling and/or common practice, then perhaps we should see about making certain that it does.)

"not justifying my actions" - perhaps a better way to phrase that might be "not explaining/clarifying my actions". Regardless, I did. I linked on Bishonen's talk page to my response to nobody ent, for example.

"ignoring requests by email" - I get more than a few emails concerning wikipedia. I learned a long time ago that the best response (outside of a few exceptions) is to ignore - for reasons I attempted to note on Bishonen's talk page, among other things. Sometimes I have left a note on a person's talk page, and sometimes not. I was still thinking about this. But apparently (I'm guessing now) bishonen decided 5 days was too long to wait for a response to their email.

"taking it to arbcom" - as I explained there, afaik, that's where we need to go. And I do not recall "shouting" anything.

As for involved, re-read further up bishonen's talk page.

I didn't think a full case was needed for this, as this is one instance, and because I was not/am not looking for sanction. I thought that this was so straight-forward a situation that all it would require is a simple motion by arbcom, and life goes on. But when I started to look over arbcom sub-pages, apparently only arbcom members can start a thread on the motion page. So I started the thread on the enforcement page, in reference to a recent ruling by arbcom concerning reversion of admin actions. (I didn't even add diffs, as I thought this was so clear.)

Anyway have to go for now. bbl hopefully. - jc37 21:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I was probably a little too evocative in some of my wording, but since you've now taken this to arbcom, I've commented there. I would like to say, thanks again for trying to clarify things with me, I wish I had more time to help sort things properly. Worm^TT(talk) 09:00, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

My second Wikipedia article

Hey Worm !! I have completed my second wikipedia article. Please see it and give your suggestions. Thank you.--ARUN SHARMA ¹⁰¹Talk | Email 09:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Well done Arun! I'm really busy at the moment, so it might be a few days before I can look at it, but I'm very impressed. Worm^TT(talk) 09:48, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

To chip in i've reworded some parts but it's a very interesting article! Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 10:21, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

By George...

I think i have it! Check my userpage Dave, i think i did it =P Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 14:48, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Can you also speedy these four abandoned pages as i have no use for them anymore:

Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 20:38, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Splendiferous! You've come a long way on here... you'll be a software developer if you carry on at this rate ;) I've deleted the pages for you, but a {{db-u1}} would have been faster. Worm^TT(talk) 07:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I doubt that, but thanks =]

It was mostly copy + paste with minor adaptions. Thanks again and have a nice day ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 08:14, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Manual of style?

Is there any preference to where the box advertising other images for the C3 Picasso should go or am i free to place it under the first infobox? I can't find any rules or guidelines on this. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 12:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd have to look into it... but I don't have the time at the moment... Worm^TT(talk) 12:16, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I got around this issue by changing the text of the box. Don't worry, i just forgot to tell you. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 12:58, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

We have a real problem

And I'm sure you know who is causing it. Get on Google Talk as soon as you can. Zac 14:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I really can't help at the moment. Worm^TT(talk) 15:00, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I'll just shoot you an email and you can get to it when you can. Zac 15:06, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok Worm^TT(talk) 15:07, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Potential mobile features we might build

Your input would be most appreciated here. Talk page stalkers also welcome :) Cheers, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 19:28, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm a little busy to work on something like this at the mo, but I'm sure I'd use it in the future! Worm^TT(talk) 12:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Help With Coding?

Hey Worm, just wondering if you or anyone you know can teach me some stuff for designing my own userpage and all that, and also a custom signature ^_^ Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 18:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

In a week or so I might be able to help you, but at the moment I'm a little busy in real life. Worm^TT(talk) 18:16, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I sorted him out grandpa. --RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 18:58, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Take your time man, I know real life is problematic at times :)Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 23:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Five Pillars Test

Hi Worm. Just letting you know that I had another crack at the third question on that test, think I got it wrong again, but after Jenova20 helped me to try and understand it, I understand the whole synthesis thing now, as I just didn't understand what the question was about at first. So I dunno what happens now, or if there's anymore tests and whatnot. So, I'l be waiting to hear from ya bout it all. Cheers BlueStars83 (talk) 18:28, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Apologies

Real life got in the way for a long time, but I now will probably be able to be more active. I would like to thank you for the support you showed me when i first joined wikipedia as an active member. I must say that I don't belive that I was ready first time around, and I will be back more actively on wikipedia. I still will not be continuing your adoption program, but thank you very much nevertheless. --Turbo₅₆₆ ^talk 08:57, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Good to see you around again :-) Email?--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:10, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Adoption

I hope you don't mind that I've gone ahead and completed the vandalism, deletion, and dispute resolution assignments. I'm still working on a few of the challenging copyright questions. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 18:33, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

not only do I not mind, I really appreciate you taking the initiative. :) Worm^TT(talk) 18:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Barts1a

Hi, I've just reinstated Barts1a (talk · contribs)'s topic ban on posting on noticeboards as he was engaging in clearly disruptive conduct. My rationale for this is at User talk:Barts1a#Topic ban reinstated. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 08:23, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

He also started Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/StillStanding-247 - deleted as nonsense. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:40, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you both for notifying me, unfortunately, I'm not in a position to look into the matter further. Hopefully Barts1a will reconsider his retirement, I'll email him when I get back from real life. Worm^TT(talk) 08:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

My signatures

Remember what a pain my signatures were, especially the Easter one, since they just didn't want stay within the limit? Have a look at these now after a massive upgrade.

User:Cyberpower678/SignatureStandard (Used most of the time) (Conforms to policy)
User:Cyberpower678/SignatureNewYear
User:Cyberpower678/SignatureValentine
User:Cyberpower678/SignatureEaster (fixed a lot)
User:Cyberpower678/SignatureHalloween (minor problems)
User:Cyberpower678/SignatureThanksgiving
User:Cyberpower678/SignatureChristmas (minor problems)

—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 22:08, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

On a side note, I know you're extremely busy, bat any chance you could evaluate my test scores.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 19:00, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry cyberpower, I'm really not in a position to evaluate test scores at the moment, though it is at the top of my priority list for when I get back. Sigs look good btw... Worm^TT(talk) 08:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Adoption?

OK, well I posted this originally on the talk page for your Adoption HQ without noticing. I am interested in your adoption program, would you be willing to help me out? Thanks--Go Phightins! (talk) 02:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Sigma's RFA

Greetings WTT,
The RFA at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Σ, of which you were co-nominator, has identified a number of community concerns which may rise above the usual level of past unsatisfactory interactions, conflicts and personal dislikes which are typical of RFA in its current format. In particular there are concerns relating to off-wiki vandalism and on-wiki disruption of which you were presumably unaware at the time of identifying Sigma as a suitable Admin. candidate.
As prominent and widely respected Administrators your endorsement of RF candidates is highly influential, as can be seen from several of the supporting !votes. Therefore, in view of the level of concern relating to the past activities of the candidate, it is sufficiently important to ask you to consider whether you wish to comment on whether the candidate still has the confidence indicated in your nomination statement. There is a section on the RFA Talk Page.
Rgds, Leaky Caldron 11:40, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I will be raising a queery as to whether the above message is appropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Common sense tells me that wasn't appropriate at all. Worm That Turned is fully capable of reassessing their position of the candidate themselves without being badgered by someone who opposes this candidate.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 13:22, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

WTT. Following discussion at WP:AN I wish to withdraw my query above. Your continued support as nominator is a matter entirely for you and your candidate deserves no further negative interventions at his RFA. rgds. Leaky Caldron 15:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I've been vaguely following the RFA, but not enough to investigate the allegations. As such, my nomination stands. I certainly don't have a problem with you bringing this to my attention Leaky, nor do I see anything untoward about it. I apologise that I could not look into the matter further. Worm^TT(talk) 17:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm. You and have different views and opinions, but I have found that we relatively have the same principles. If you don't wish me to staple your talk page in this manner, just let me know.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 18:52, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Not at all. I appreciate all opinions and do value you as a stapler. I also see my talk page as fully open to anyone with any opinions even if I can't act on them. Worm^TT(talk) 19:00, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Thanks WTT, I appreciate that and I'm grateful that you did not join in the hazing I received from the likes of cyber at WP:AN. Reaper didn't seem to mind either but I eventually accepted Regeant's advice to withdraw the query, largely to avoid ongoing disruption to the candidate's RFA. Rgds. Leaky Caldron 19:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I didn't attempt to haze you Leaky. I only tried to convey to you that what you write and perceive it as one way may be perceived by another in a different. When I analyzed that statement of yours, I perceived it in 3 different ways, as I posted it on ANI. Kudpung perceived it differently as well. It's hard to understand what one really means when typing up the words over the Internet rather than a face to face conversation. It makes that all the more important that words are worded carefully on Wikipedia. I'm sorry if I came across as hazing towards which just proves my point that it's difficult to truly convey oneself through words only. I didn't mean to mean to haze, rather just give advice why such a statement was inappropriate.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 19:41, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Believe me, I felt hazed. I've just looked at it again, I still feel it was hazing. You did the usual thing that people do, joined in with the attack dogs when you felt you had easy prey. You've only apologised because your argument against me was not supported by WTT. I do not believe you would have apologised if I had come to your TP earlier today. WTT, sorry to dump this crap on your Talk Page. Leaky Caldron 19:54, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Re-iterating how you perceived Cyberpower's comments is acceptable, but second-guessing his motives, his intentions, and how he would have acted, is not. His explanation is entirely reasonable, his (unsuccessful) attempt to lay out the ways he felt your comments could be interpreted was clearly intended in good faith. Perhaps you shouldn't be "dumping this crap" anywhere on Wikipedia. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:00, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

If this was my talk page I'd hat the discussion. I feel that editors should discontinue discussing here because there is no productive outcome. It is developing into an unnecessary spat right now. Ryan Vesey 20:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2)You believe what you want to believe. I told you what my intentions were and you can choose to either accept what I told you, or call me a liar. Just know that I will reciprocate those feelings right back. I do not attack "easy prey" as you put it. I try to help out. Perhaps I may come across as crude, but no one has brought that up until now. If I do come across as crude, I work on my tone to avoid that in the future. I'm going to leave it at that.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 20:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Demiurge. I am leaving this warning here, on the page of an Admin who will deal with it if the need arises. This is the second time you have followed me when I've been making a specific, targeted comment towards another editor. You have rudely interceded on each occasion, on the first with the temerity to answer my question for him. You have twice, today, confronted me at other's TP without justifiable cause. I have never been in direct communication with you. Please read WP:Wikihounding. Singling out an editor and joining discussions in order to confront or inhibit my work is unacceptable. If your aim was to cause irritation and annoyance you have succeeded. If it wasn't your intention, well you have. Please stop following me about.

@Cyber. Read what I said above and read the AN. You contributed to the hazing. I'll certainly accept an apology for hazing, not for apparently hazing. Do you understand the difference? Again, apologies to WTT. Leaky Caldron 20:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

You're well able to work out whether Worm's, Cyberpower's, and MBisanz's talk pages are places I've never posted before (or just maybe places I watchlist and comment on rather a lot) so I'll treat that threat with the contempt it deserves. Canvassing against an RfA on multiple user talk pages was something you did - it's not anyone else's fault.

As for your attempt to bully Cyberpower into apologising for something he did not intend, words fail me.

I've now decided that Ryan has a point about how constructive this discussion is, though. :) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:35, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Strange language English, full of ambiguities. So to clarify, there is no threat intended or implied. I simply want you to stop interceding in my discussions on user TP in the confrontational manner you have demonstrated today. As for your remark about bullying, I need no further apology, so I don't really understand. He's gone as far as he needs to and has apologised for hazing so nothing more is required. I agree with your final remark. Leaky Caldron 21:10, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

That's fine. Unfortunately, I do have to make two things clear. First, cyberpower has not said that he intended to engage in "hazing". Second, if you again behave in the manner you've done today on pages that I watch, then I will respond in the same manner. This is not "interceding" or being "confrontational"; this is being honest. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I didn't understand the issue either. Apparently E (or Sigma, but the link that was supposed to explain the name said "this is not a sigma", so maybe Esh?) annoyed someone on another website a year ago in a vaguely defined way that he does not stand by now. Then the discussion descended into a bunch of hard-to-read back and forth, somewhat like this thread. So I stopped reading and scrolled down to the votes. I'm annoyed by the sig, but quite a few people are put off by that. If there is a less superficial reason to oppose, I'm just not seeing it. Neotarf (talk) 23:17, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, but the discussion went south long before that, when someone posted a link to a tasteless video. I've seen quite a few admins with links to their RfA posted on their user pages; how would you like to have THAT one to post? Or be the person who wrote those words, that strangers will be reading over and over for years to come? Another reason to change the whole uninviting and undignified admin process. --Neotarf (talk) 00:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

There's more canvassing going on now to influence the course of this RfA. This RfA has gotten wildly out of hand, but as it has less than 24 hours to go there's not much point about doing much at this stage. I'm not concerned whether it passes or fails, but there will clearly eed to be a discussion in the aftermath in order to finally get some things written into policy. RfAs like this will only serve to drive even more candidates away. It's interesting to note that some of the drama is from people who have demonstrated a contempt in the past for all things adminship, attempts to reform it, and Worm & me personally (good thing we're made of thicker stuff!) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:37, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget me! ;) When it comes to evaluating candidates for adminship or cratship, I'm pretty easy going and easy to get to support. I've been trying to come with ideas to change the process significantly enough that it should prevent it from becoming a blood bath. This is by far the worst RfA I have ever seen here on Wikipedia and emotionally has taken a toll on me too.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 12:29, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Now it looks like the so-called "vandalism" of the so-called "educational wiki" might have been directed at Conservapedia articles titled "Atheism and obesity", "lesbianism and obesity", and "Homosexuality and brain deformation". --Neotarf (talk) 21:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Does that make it acceptable or more acceptable? Leaky Caldron 21:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

More to the point, does that make the behaviour of the voters any more acceptable? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Help

I uploaded two images with the author's permission which was sent to my email, the administrators said it's copy violation because I can not prove the evidence. What do I do? --RexRowan Talk 08:49, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Follow the stuff at WP:PERMISSION... it's emailing OTRS, let them decide. even if it gets deleted, it can be recreated Worm^TT(talk) 08:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I panicked. I have forwarded the email from Prof. Treffert to Wikimedia. Without you my world is chaos. --RexRowan Talk 11:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Why people speed delet stuff under my userspace? [[3]] --RexRowan Talk 13:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

No idea. It's not eligible for speedy deletion, and WCtaiwan who's also had the same problem with this user has reverted. Don't worry about it, it's a brand new user (~50 edits) who probably doesn't know what they're doing. Worm^TT(talk) 13:13, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank God, I thought I went down the rabbit hole. Thanks a lot Worm! :D --RexRowan Talk 13:15, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

User:BlueStars83

Don't forget he's done his test but still in need of a bit more training, although he's aready editing a bit. I think it's still better for people to know the problems they can run into before they run into them and you're by far the best for that. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 12:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I know, I haven't forgotten about him. I've got about 4-5 adoptees who are waiting for me to come back to editing properly - but I just don't have time at the moment (working 12 hour days takes it out of you) Worm^TT(talk) 12:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Fair point. I'm off this week and so i've been helping him edit and we started an easyish project together. I'm trying to keep him from doing big edits until he's cleaar on the policies. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 12:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Adoption Courses

Hey there worm, I was hoping to borrow adam's course and he said it came from you so I needed to ask you. If its not too much trouble, could you let me have them and/or help me set up a page for them? thanks. Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm on my phone so can't help out at the moment, but you are more than welcome to use the course, I'd be honoured if you do. Worm^TT(talk) 07:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much Worm! I'm rusty with wikimarkup and code, so I gotta read up on that before I set up my pages :3 either way, thanks again! Do you want me to credit you at all? I feel like I should, but its up to you. Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 18:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I really don't mind - I didn't make the course by myself, I hardly deserve all the credit! Worm^TT(talk) 08:10, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Rollback

Hi Dave,

I have recently been doing a lot of anti-vandalism work, particularly recent change patrol and with STiki. I would really like to be able to use Huggle to help me with this. I am therefore asking if you will allow me to request the rollback permission.

Thanks, Thine Antique Pen (talk) 18:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Will get back to you on that, I'd like to do a little research first. Worm^TT(talk) 20:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. :) Thine Antique Pen (talk) 15:44, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay. After investigating, I have no issue you with requesting this right, if you believe Huggle is worth it. I don't see the attraction myself. Worm^TT(talk) 18:02, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Executive Director's Barnstar

Hi Worm That Turned!

I am hereby awarding you the Executive Director's Barnstar, to celebrate your many contributions to the English Wikipedia!

You were recommended for the award by Maryana Pinchuk, who nominated you for being a "marvelous mentor" on the English Wikipedia. Maryana says that you've been an active adopter of new users in the Adopt-a-user program, you've been helpful at the Teahouse, and that you also work to sort through problems with people who've landed at AN/I or have otherwise gotten into conflicts in the community. She describes you as patient and kind and says you've spent countless hours composing lesson plans for Wikipedians-in-training (complete with barnstars for completing sections), including rewriting a lot of our garbled policy pages from scratch so that they're actually useable (for example, this page on copyright. I think Maryana first met you in person at a London meetup: she says you're just as lovely in person as you are on the wikis :-)

The Executive Director's Barnstar is an award that I give out every now and then, created for me by my colleague Frank Schulenberg to celebrate and honour editors who are making a particularly significant contribution to the projects. In addition to the work that Maryana describes above, since joining the projects in 2007, you've made more than 13,661 edits on 11 projects, according to the user contributions page on the toolserver. Thank you so much for your contributions!

If you, or anyone reading this, wants to nominate an editor for the ED Barnstar, please feel free to do it on my talk page. And thanks to Maryana at the Wikimedia Foundation, for making this nomination. Sue Gardner (talk) 20:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on this one Worm! Ryan Vesey 20:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I also think this is incredibly well deserved :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

If anyone deserves a barnstar from up high; it's WTT. Well done! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 00:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow. I'm stunned, and much as I'd like to contradict the comments of my staplers... all I should really say is Thank you. Worm^TT(talk) 07:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Well deserved!--RexRowan^忍(Ninja signal) 08:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Same, couldn't have been awarded to anyone better ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 08:13, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Just piling in here with the congratulations - it's good to see such a wise and helpful Wikipedian getting recognition for this work! PamD 11:44, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations Worm! :) Thine Antique Pen (talk) 15:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Yay, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy! Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 15:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm a little late to the party, but I agree that WTT is definitely deserving. If the community created an RfC to determine the best overall Wikipedian around, WTT would probably get my vote. AutomaticStrikeout 04:27, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Cool! Congrats Worm. Oh, also good work polishing AAU and well done putting forth Σ at RfA. Swarm ^X 04:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Again, thank you so much, coming back from a minor break and finding this still on my talk page, especially with all the other kind comments is very heartening. I really do appreciate it. Worm^TT(talk) 08:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

3PO

User_talk:OrenBochman#Restore_Rollback_Rights

I think the AN/I discussion should be the most help. Note also that while they say they have indicated being a dev, that term doesn't necessarily mean what we often presume it does. (Back in June, I had to look over their SUL contribs [4] to find out more info/to better understand.)

At this point, I'd appreciate it if you'd look this over. And I'm perfectly fine with deferring to your discernment on this. - jc37 16:53, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Would love to help out, but unfortunately real life is currently in the way. If it's still a problem when I get back, I will look into it. Worm^TT(talk) 08:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay, now posted there. Worm^TT(talk) 09:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Admin score

W e both share almost the same score :) TheSpecialUser ^TSU 22:55, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Mine's gone up, nyer nyer :P It's not much of a tool for assessing people really, but it's better than nothing. Worm^TT(talk) 11:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Park Article promoted for DYK

Hi Worm, just to let you know: Template:Did you know nominations/Turnbull Thomson Park --RexRowan Talk 11:56, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

The article is on DYK today, thank you very much for helping me editing it, I am very happy! :D --RexRowan Talk 06:36, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations, I'm sorry I couldn't have been more help, but you and Carole have done a fantastic job :) Worm^TT(talk) 07:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

You have helped me enough! Thank you very much! :D --RexRowan Talk 09:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Can I work for you in your web design company? I know how to make websites using a few free websites :D --RexRowan Talk 09:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I made a website to collect information from the mass, you think this is a good idea? [5] --RexRowan Talk 09:58, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Ha! Hardly a company, I made a few websites while I was out of work to tide me over :) I took down the "company page" recently, because I didn't think it was likely that I'd make more. I've got a few friends asking me to make things for charitable schemes, I might be helping them out in the future.

As for your website, it's a great idea - but fairly impractical and duplicates methods we already have. The concept isn't scalable, I'm sure you could cope with 2-3 comments per day, but what about 2-300? or 2-3000? The word "freelance" implies you'd be paid, but I don't see how any income could be generated. Much better would be to work with the foundation to make their systems better. Worm^TT(talk) 11:28, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know, I thought it means volunteer. I will take it down. I am having fun with my online Python lessons. I thought it would be cool if we have a drop in box so we can receive information from people who don't want to edit. :D --RexRowan Talk 12:07, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

We sort of do, Special:ArticleFeedbackv5 and WP:OTRS Worm^TT(talk) 12:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah, forgot about the feedback system. :D --RexRowan Talk 12:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Editor Review and RfA

AutomaticStrikeout created the idea of an editor review with the specific goal of an RfA in mind. While I think it is a decent proposal, similar to things I've thought of myself, I could swear that there have been oppose !votes specifically because the RfA was too soon after an editor review. I can't really find any, and before I comment at the discussion I'd like to know what your experience with that is. Do you think it happens often enough (or has it ever happened?) and do you think this idea might have a negative effect on someone's actual performance. Granted, a lot of people will oppose for a lot of different reasons and candidates shouldn't be out there trying to please everybody, but I just thought I'd try to get your opinion. Ryan Vesey 21:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Look at all the opposing votes for Σ due to the spelling of his name. Yet Berean Hunter passes unanimously 160-0 with a block on his log. I had a pre-Rfa on my talk page 3 days before my RFA, one person made a mild comment about it. What they did jump on was based on incorrect data, CSD. You just never know what will set people off on any given day. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 21:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't recall any votes because someone has done an RfA too soon after an editor review, but you never know. Pre-RFA might well be the future, I'm currently thinking about methods for it. Worm^TT(talk) 14:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

There's always User:Ryan Vesey/Pre-RFA Proposal. Looking at it a year or so later, I think that method is far too complex, I think the best solution will be simple. Ryan Vesey 14:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that's the way to go though. I think something more akin to resurrecting Wikipedia:Admin coaching, where editors don't have to go, but gives them some areas to work on and more feedback. It can be referenced from the RfA and should give the voters an insight into the candidate. The difficulty will be to not make it look like an form of guarantee of acceptance or turn it into a place where admin wannabes play. Worm^TT(talk) 15:18, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

A small job for you

Hope you're well, mate. I have a little job for you: a young editor has just asked me how to become an admin, so I am naturally going to fob that sort of work off to somebody who knows what he's talking about. He may drop you a note here, so please be kind, if realistic, to him. Catch up with you soon, --RexxS (talk) 22:54, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm is well (or at least, active on a bi-daily basis), but looks to be overwhelmed with that work-type-stuff that the rest of the world is trying to avoid. I've left an extra pointer on the new editor's talk page, but if any talk page staplers want to set him up with an adoption course, that would be even better. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm's essay on how to become an admin is here: User:Worm That Turned/Magic Formula --Neotarf (talk) 10:44, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, attacked by terrible real-world junk. I'm back now though. Having said that, since I had far too many adoptees that I was neglecting, I thought it poor idea to take on more. I've archived my quiet adoptees, so hopefully I'm down to two - but even so, I think taking on more at present would be a poor idea. In any case, Yunshui has taken the chap on, and I've got his page watchlisted (as I assume have a few of my staplers), so I'm sure he'll come to no harm. Worm^TT(talk) 15:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I would like to become adopted by you!

Hi I am spacecasetheman (here's my link: Spacecasetheman (talk) 16:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC) ), I would love to become adopted. I am only 14, and I know that others wouldn't adopt me because I'm inexperienced. I would like to be trained to become an admin, a editor, and a great user! I also would like to join an anti-vandilism patrol I am brand new to wikipedia. Please help and please adopt.

P.S: RexxS sent me!

Spacecasetheman (talk) 16:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Adopted by Yunshui. Worm^TT(talk) 14:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Notable?

Do you think this would meet WP:GNG? It's a startup called PoverUp doing microfinancing, but the sources seem to be split between talking about the company and talking about the founder. So far I've got Forbes, an extension of that article in wharton magazine, Inc., fast company, Go girl finance.com (runs on wordpress so it looks like a blog, but I don't believe it is one), Knowledge@wharton, Philadelphia Business Journal, Raising CEO kids (I would have written this website off if it wasn't for the academic credentials of the site creator and the book he wrote), Time Business, another Fast Company (not related to business, but founder is featured). I'll note that Peter Cohan a Wharton Alum, caused a number of these so he was pushing the company out there. What do you think, would it survive AfD? Ryan Vesey 18:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't tell you for sure, it sounds pretty borderline. New startups always face this sort of problem, and generally aren't notable. However, there's only one way to find out ;) Worm^TT(talk) 15:13, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Copyright question

What's your opinion on these being under CC-BY-SA? Also can i use screenshots from films and games as free or is that fair use? Thanks, and this question is to anyone knowledgeable on copyrights ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 19:03, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

There's no way it's CC-BY-SA. Screenshots from films or games would need to be used with a fair use rationale. Ryan Vesey 19:25, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up Ryan ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 20:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Nothing to add, cheers Ryan :D Worm^TT(talk) 15:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Table Question

I would like to modify this:

Glava Series
Name(s) / variants	Notes	Film appearances	Game appearances
Glava-Begunats		None	Resident Evil 6
Glava-Dim
Glava-Sluz
Glava-Smech

...but am unsure how. I'd like the top "Series Bar" on the left side instead but how do i do that? This question is to anyone. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 09:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


Name(s) / variants	Notes	Film appearances	Game appearances
Glava-Begunats		None	Resident Evil 6
Glava-Dim
Glava-Sluz
Glava-Smech

You mean like that? (changing the colspan to a rowspan and covering the total number of rows) I prefer it on top :) Worm^TT(talk) 09:10, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm undecided, i wanted to see which looks better. Can you get the writing going down in two lines? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 09:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, just stick a break in. Worm^TT(talk) 09:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Not quite, i meant with the lettering going down, not left to right. Is that something you can do? With "Glava" going down on the left and then "Series" downwards to the right of it? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 09:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't recommend downward writing - it just doesn't add to accessibility. I'm pretty sure the MOS agrees, but I'd have to look it up. Worm^TT(talk) 10:01, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

My other idea was this:

Glava Name(s) / variants	Film appearances	Game appearances
Glava-Begunats	None	Resident Evil 6
Glava-Dim
Glava-Sluz
Glava-Smech

...But i'm not sure i like it...The sideways writing would only be the series name, which is already incluided multiple times in the actual table anyway. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 10:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Like this:

Name(s) / variants		Film appearances	Game appearances
G l a v a	Glava-Begunats	None	Resident Evil 6
	Glava-Dim
	Glava-Sluz
	Glava-Smech

...Only with "Glava" sideways - still readable and i can get rid of the sections the article currently has for each letter. Sorry for hogging your talk page ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 10:14, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Can't find anything on it in the MOS, only this and this at the helpdesks. Perhaps I'm wrong. However, with the multiple breaks, I'm pretty sure that will upset a screen reader. I'd have to poke someone who knows more about them. The other option is to create a vertical image, which might work better from an accessibility method, but I don't like that either. Worm^TT(talk) 10:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd rather not use an image of the lettering due to load times and the problem of image sizing (Especially on mass produced infected with 8+ types). I'll look around and hopefully find something. If you do then lemme know. Thanks for your time Dave ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 10:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Seeking closure

I hate it when ANI closes just when it gets interesting! ;)

Thanks for the thoughtful comments. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that ANI is full of "heat of the moment" comments, and whilst that's fantastic for debate - it's not great for Wikipedia. I think there's been a concerted effort to close ANI's before they get messy. I just wish I'd had my lunch half an hour later, so I'd have noticed this early! Worm^TT(talk) 12:40, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Your userpage

You could save some space by removing the recall procedure from it. It's not likely to be used anyways.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 11:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe, but I firmly believe in recall and I like that to be prominently displayed. Indeed, if I killed off my userpage, I'd keep that showing. As for "not likely to be used"... well, that's kind of you to say, but I'd rather leave the community to decide that. Worm^TT(talk) 11:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Alright. Hehe.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 12:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm's Recall

Sign here if you do not want to see Worm be desysopped anytime soon.

—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 12:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
-Unless he deserves it =P ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 20:20, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
No time limits on the Worm term. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I think I'll put my name in the right section this time.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 20:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Thine Antique Pen (talk) 21:19, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Keep The funny thing is, the admins who are open to recall are those who would never be recalled. The problematic part is that a portion of those who aren't open to recall should never be be recalled but might be by virtue of the areas they take part in. Ryan Vesey 21:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Keep Based on typical definition of "any time soon" :-p dangerous panda 09:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Counter-petition

Sign here if you think that Worm should buy you a beverage of your choice

Definitely, as proposer dangerous panda 10:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh yes I'm thirsty right now.—cyberpower _Offline^{Trick or Treat} 10:54, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Removing the Training Wheels

I got in the signpost! :-) --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

So did another article about adminship reform . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:04, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Gilderien, well done, you should be very proud. I don't think I've been mentioned more than two or three times in there! Means you must be making an impact :)

Kudpung, I did spot that, I'll read it in depth in a day or so, when most of the comments have come in. Worm^TT(talk) 07:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar...

		Civility Award
		The fact that you managed to respond with civility to that sort of language from that sort of person is a credit to you. Few would have responded the same way. You have my thanks and my respect. Stalwart111 (talk) 00:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Stalwart, I probably stepped over the "wholly civil" line there, but I thought making my point was worthwhile. I notice he hasn't editted since. I'd rather he did actually take my advice than be removed from the encyclopedia. Worm^TT(talk) 07:20, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for taking the time to participate in my RfA. I hope that I will be able to improve based on the feedback I received and become a better editor. AutomaticStrikeout 03:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not keen on thankspam, especially such generic stuff. However, I'm sure you will be able to use the feedback, you withdrew at the right time IMO, and there's no shame in it. I'm sure you'll make a great admin one day, and you know where I am if you have any questions. Worm^TT(talk) 07:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration thingy

This concerns you as well, it would seem. Funny I didn't even notice you'd banned the guy at the time... -— Isarra ༆ 04:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

That was rather the point. I was trying to keep the fuss to a minimum. I'll comment there presently. Worm^TT(talk) 07:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Table

Hi Dave. I asked at the help desk but they couldn't help too much, they mostly just discouraged using images, which i agreed with anyway. So i came up with another look. If you can find the time to give your opinion on whether the Crimson Series identifier looks better on top or on the side of my two examples here i would appreciate it. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 12:20, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Crimson series identifier? I can't see the examples... it's a big old page... Worm^TT(talk) 12:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Crimson is a majestic shade of red =P. There's two. Ignore the yellow one, that was a test edit. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 12:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, gotcha. If you are going to merge the series per letter (so, say, you have all H tables touching) I think having it on the left is a good idea. If on the other hand you are planning to have each series as a seperate table, I would suggest having it on the top. Also, I think it'd be a good idea to have the notes as a final column, not the second. Worm^TT(talk) 13:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I've been using it as a description or history column mainly, and since the game and film appearances will later partly become my references - that's why i stuck them on the end. I plan on adding books eventually too.

More importantly you didn't know what Crimson was??? ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 13:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I do know what crimson is. I just didn't know what Crimson Series was, given that I've not played all the Resident Evils (in fact, only played 1 and 2) - I assumed it might a series of monsters, which you were getting me to look at. Given the capital C, the word Series, and the stupid names Resident Evil comes up with for it's baddies, I don't think that was an unreasonable assumption.

It sounds like you've got a big project there, good luck with it! Worm^TT(talk) 13:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, i see. The games got better after 1 + 2 but the films got worse after Extinction (3) so you didn't miss much. It's actually a very simple project as the Resident Evil Wiki has done most of the work for me already and so i'm mostly harvesting that entire site of information and references (later). Strangely my work on both appears to be improving the Resident Evil Wiki too, so it's all good. And for another strange reason we have a Characters article but the creatures article redirects to the same one...Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 13:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

And of course you are giving attribution to the wiki where you've taken the information from... Worm^TT(talk) 13:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Nope, nothing has been copied directly. I just took their listing of which creatures appear in each game so i could merge it into tables and add/detract from it. There's no direct comparison between the two and mine is more complete. So no infringement ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 13:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

for intervening in that unpleasantness yesterday, it's appreciated. rgds, Leaky Caldron 13:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome. I've always found Scotty to be reasonable and his tool does have uses, hopefully as things move forward those uses will be more apparent. Worm^TT(talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

RFA

Hi WormTT, thanks for your kind note. I'd be willing to reapply again as I feel I can improve Wikipedia if I had greater powers. I don't particularly want to be involved in the whole purely administrative side of things particularly, as I prefer to focus on content, as I feel that this is the area where Wikipedia needs most immediate improvement. I don't mean to denigrate the good work that a lot of admins do, but frankly, without content provision, there would be no Wikipedia. Farrtj (talk) 07:55, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

There's an old adage: good content creators should not become admins. Doing the admin-y work usually interferes with good creators. One of the reasons that I read as to why you wanted to become an admin was to protect the articles you create: that's pretty much 180 away from the Prime Directive of admins: you may not use admin powers to protect your own work. dangerous panda 09:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I've also posted my thoughts on the matter at Farrtj's page. Worm^TT(talk) 09:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Reply to User:EatsShootsAndLeaves - That's why i don't intend to apply - i prefer editing to tedious admin and cleanup tasks. Adminship will sideline your editing. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 09:57, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I think I heard someone talk about the military this way: "let the civilians run the bureacracy, and leave the fighting to the uniforms" - both roles are important, but of course in the Wikipedia case the uniforms are the non-admins! Keep up the content work Jenova, it is appreciated! dangerous panda 11:06, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Will do, thank you very much! ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 11:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thinking about becoming an admin

I am thinking, about becoming an administrator. So, I would like to ask you if you can review me, so I can see what I can do, so if I do get nominated for Administrator, that I might be a good candidate. Or that I am ready to be nominated. I know I most likely don't use edit summaries all of the time when I make an edit. I know I haven't created many articles either, only about 14 articles, I know I didn't create any articles that got recognized but I did help one article gain a GA Status being this article 2011 Virginia earthquake. I am also planning to get more active in the WP:PUF area, and also working with files, as an OTRS Team member. But, I would like to know what I can do better, to become a better editor. As well maybe become an administrator. I know it would be hard work. I would also like to know in your opinion if I am ready to become an administrator, or even get nominated yet. And also tell me what I need to do better. Thanks, --Clarkcj12 (talk) 21:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Maths

Hi Worm,

Can you teach me how to convert the number 50 into a hexadecimal? --RexRowan Talk 14:23, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Sorry, I figured it out. 50/16=3 + 2, so 32. --RexRowan Talk 14:28, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Well, it's all about remainders. Hex is base 16, so what you have to do is divide the decimal by 16 and write the remainder in Hex (eg 12=C). Then keep re-doing it until the result is less than 1. Write down the remainders in reverse order.

So for 50,

50/16 = 3 remainder 2

3/16 is less than 1, therefore the answer is 32. do you want to try one? Worm^TT(talk) 14:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure! I made a little game using Scratch, play it! Use left and right to turn and up to move forward.[6] I also made a website where I keep notes.[7]:D --RexRowan Talk 14:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Very nice...I wrote a few games (tower defense style) last year in scratch, but I can't remember whether I ever got round to putting them on the website.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:13, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I play a little game my dad made call China. It involves you having to convert to binary to make your moves. :P I know them all, octadecimal, hexadecimal, and binary. :D—cyberpower _{Limited Access}^{Trick or Treat} 15:39, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

ISBN?

Hi Dave, just wondering how i cite a book and include the ISBN number? I just bought the Resident Evil Archives II but it has TWO ISBN numbers...Not sure why or how i include them. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 19:58, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

ISBN numbers come in 10 digit and 13 digits. There is also an older 9 digit system. The 13 digit system is preferred. When using {{cite book}} the parameter is |isbn= Ryan Vesey 20:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Just to make sure, ISBN is a International Standard Book Number used for identifying a book. It is not to be confused with ICBM which causes massive destruction and has nothing to do with books (Except possibly the little red one, which incidentally has it's own ISBN ISBN 978-0-8351-2388-4). Ryan Vesey 20:13, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm a Civ III nerd Ryan, you don't need to tell me what an ICBM is. I use them on Americans and the Japanese on a weekly basis =P. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 21:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Apparently you are not up with the times..

I'd appreciate you withdrawing the insinuation I am projecting power ahead of a re-election bid. My two year term is up as of December 31st, however, I've made it clear that I am *NOT* running for re-election since May (on my user page). If you're going to make such accusations, I'd really appreciate you doing a simple bit of research beforehand. SirFozzie (talk) 19:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say you were making a show of power for re-election, I said you were making a show of power at the end of your term. If anything, the situation with Malleus has improved, I find the suggestion to ban him under a perfectly valid request for amendment distasteful. Worm^TT(talk) 09:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

SirFrozzie, message received, point not taken. If you don't understand how Wikipedia works, ask Worm to adopt you, he can teach you. Lesson one, abusing your power indicates you are unfit for your position. Lesson two, unable to take on positive criticism indicates that you have personality disorders. I think it is a wise idea for you to retire. --RexRowan Talk 09:48, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in here, but that's how I read your (WormTT's) statement too—that SirFozzie drafted the motion that way because he's up for reelection. And since perception often matters more than intent (ironically relevant, considering the matter at hand), I'd suggest modifying the statement to clarify what you mean (on second thought, maybe it doesn't matter at this stage). And RexRowan, I think the personality disorders thing is really rather uncalled for... I disagree with the motion and agree with WormTT that if anything, the situation with Malleus is getting better, but I think accusations of power abuse and personality disorders are below the level of discourse we should aim for around these parts. wctaiwan (talk) 13:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

The title of this section is an accusation isn't it? The 'You are...' statement. Don't like the taste of your own medicine? I will stop judging him if he stops judging Worm. Social injustice is caused by power abuse. Disagree how you like, I don't need you to call for it to speak. What you gonna do? Ban me too? Go ahead.--RexRowan Talk 14:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Woah, Rex, calm down. I read Worm's statement in the same sense as Wctaiwan and SirFozzzie, it's an easy mistake to make.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 14:47, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I read Wc's email. I am sorry for causing distress to individuals involved. I just thought we are all entitled to our opinions without being targeted individually to change our mind because the person in question has a title. If you don't agree Worm's judgement, simply counter his statement in public rather than manipulate him to change his statement in private. That's all. Thank you for listening and I wish all the best for everyone. --RexRowan Talk 15:44, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah..SirFozzie..listen to RexRowan..he's been "editing" since July........2012.--MONGO 03:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the old fossil above is still breathing and discriminating despite I have openly explained my points with good faith, this is a joke, no wonder Wikipedia is losing new editors. Ask MONGO why. --RexRowan Talk 08:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Rex, don't worry too much. SirFozzie is an excellent Wikipedian, and didn't deserve the comments that have been made about him in the past few days, I'm sure he was doing his best under the circumstances. I know your gut instinct is to defend me, and I really do appreciate it, but Fozzie and most other editors have worked very hard here for years. They still have my respect - even if I disagree with them. Well, some of them still have my respect. I can think of some that have lost that. Not that my respect means that much :)

MONGO, Rex is an editor who I've been helping. She's had a tough time on the project so far, but she learns very quickly and does represent a new generation of Wikipedians. If you're going to be discriminating based on "wiki-age", I'd rather you didn't do it on my page, a page where dozens of brand new editors come for help every day Worm^TT(talk) 09:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm, like Carole, you have earned my respect with your benevolence. I do not know the other editors very well, but I trust your judgement. I am open to suggestions and am ready to change my behaviour on a mutual respect ground. I hope that makes sense. Thank you for speaking for the new editors, you are a man with a forward vision. --RexRowan Talk 09:11, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I have apologized to SirFozzie, I hope my words are considerate and sufficient. --RexRowan Talk 09:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not in the position to do much now having had a few but will alter my comment when I've sobered up. Rex thank you for your eloquent defence, while it may have had problems I did appreciate it. Worm^TT(talk) 18:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Strangest thing ever that you appeared to have been editing while drunk Dave. =P

ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 13:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Never forget this I will.—cyberpower _Online^{Trick or Treat} 13:31, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, my edit whilst drunk was to say that I won't be editing while drunk! I don't know how I did a "bold text" though... and stupid iphone autocorrect... and.. yeah, I had a few too many. Worm^TT(talk) 08:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)