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Just wanted to say thanks for adding this tag to all the talk pages on the World Champs, must remember to do this myself...Thaf (talk) 07:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Is there a consensus of which I'm not aware?

I strongly prefer to use {{flagicon}} rather than {{flagathlete}} on the Vuelta pages, if only because it {{flagathlete}} causes the tables, when they're side-by-side, to become squished and malformed on my (and presumably others') screen. Don't fall asleep ^zzzzzz 21:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:FLAGS says you shouldn't just use flags, for a number of reasons, primarily because flags can be difficult to see at low resolutions when all squished, people might not know them so it helps to give more clues, plus it helps blind people or colour blind people. It also provides the link to the country which makes the use relevant, not just decorative (which is viewed as bad in wiki-land). That's why we have {{flagathlete}}. Severo^TC 21:30, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

So am I doomed to squished boxes, then? That sucks. Don't fall asleep ^zzzzzz 21:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

You could play around with other aspects, for sure (such as reducing font size of team - but I would oppose reducing team names to three letter codes as it's overuse of jargon - or reducing the size of the whole table to 90% say). I was actually thinking of thrashing out a style guide for race pages so we can get a bit more uniformity on it all. Severo^TC 21:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I got it! If we eliminate the "Rank" label on the leftmost cell, the charts aren't so wide that they become malformed. Do you suppose it's okay to do this? Pretty obvious what that cell is for without the label. Don't fall asleep ^zzzzzz 21:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeh, that looks fine. In fact, I think it looks better, "Rank" made that column very wide considering the next widest value was "10". Severo^TC 21:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Image size

Would you know how to decrease the size of the image used in Template:UK-motorcycle-sport-bio-stub?Orsoni (talk) 04:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

It looks pretty standard to me (unless there's a bug with another browser??), but I've reduced it a little bit anyway. Cheers, Severo^TC 11:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Dai Davies

You have reverted an edit I made to Dai Davies (without even taking it to the talk page). I note that this is the only contribution you have made to this article and can only assume that you are WP:Stalking me. Coupled with the untrue and unwarranted accusation on the Geraint Thomas talk page that I am racist, you are contravening WP:Etiquette, at the very least. This stops here. I am going to revert your Dai Davies edit. Please do not make futher changes to my edits there, or elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daicaregos (talk • contribs) 13:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Assume what you like, linking to Wales three times in a paragraph is OTT. Severo^TC 14:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I've been around a bit too long to try to intimidate. Any edits which I see that are a bit off, such as three links in a paragraph to the same article or foreign words which can be avoided, I will remove, as per guidelines, regardless of who made them in the first place. Severo^TC 15:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of MOS:UNLINKDATES

Lightmouse date scripts

I see you operate date script written by Lightmouse> A discussion at Lightmouse's house may be of interest to you. Ohconfucius (talk) 09:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Template:Rivers and Watercourse of Norfolk

Hello Severo

I have tried to add the Wisbech canal to Template; Rivers and watercourse of Norfolk which you re-directed back in April 2008. Although I have added it to the Template page it does not appear on any of the navigation Boxes on other River page along with the Wisbech Canal page. What am I doing wrong? stavros1 ♣ 10:25, 7 Februry 2009 (UTC)

They just take a little while to show up in all transclusions, something technical I remember. All done now. Severo^TC 09:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Rating question

About the 1996 UCI Track Cycling World Championships rating: The article is rated C-class now. In my view, the current state can not be higher dan start-class, because there is almost no text. I try to rate the articles on how much information they show.

I don't think there is many text that can be added however... The article has almost all the needed information, and almost all the possible information. (It might also include the exact dates of the event, why Manchester was chosen, in which track they took place, but not much on the races themselves, because that should be included in the seperate race details articles.) If the article is rated on the percentage of information that is shown, this article could qualify for C-class.

You rated the article in september 2008 as C-class (I think your comment that it is B was a mistake). Can you look at it again (almost nothing has changed since) to see if you still agree with that rating?

If you still agree with your rating, we interpret the rating schedule in a different way. Can you then say what you think about the 1908 Tour de France rating? It is rated stub now, but I think it contains almost as much information as the 1996 UCI Track WC article. And can you then say what you think about the 1906 Tour de France rating? There is much more info than the 1996 UCI Track WC article now, yet I rated this also C-class.

I know that the rating is unofficial and not really important by itself, but I am trying to find out what is needed in a cycling race article, and understanding the ratings of other articles might help.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead and change it, I'm not current with the rating classifications. Nice work on emptying the unassessed category by the way. I'm working on the NA-category using AWB. Severo^TC 21:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Style guide

I've revised the first style guide with additional questions. Please go there and answer them. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 04:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's the next one. It is mostly built off the first one, though there is a little still to decide. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 08:41, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

User:Nosleep/Style guide/One day race Really need a fair bit of help with this one. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 01:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

WP Cycling Template proposal

I proposed the change on the template's talk page. It more or less follows the pattern set by the Cardiology Task Force of WikiProject Medicine. Andyo2000 (talk) 18:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Kohl's infobox

I'm generally fine with taking Silence-Lotto out of it, it's just that that was the team he was under contract to at the time of his suspension, and the team he was fired from (Gerolsteiner had either already folded or had let him out of his contract). Do you suppose the mention of that in the article prose is sufficient? Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 06:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm almost certain his contract was from January 1 and this was annulled sometime in October, therefore he was never an S-L rider. By all means this should be mentioned in the prose, but there is no way of writing this in the infobox. Severo^TC 09:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Bouygues Telecom

Maybe we could move it to the title without diacritics, but nothing is currently known as "Bouygues Télécom." There are fewer than ten inbound links to Bouygues Telecom and Bouygues Télécom meant for the cycling team that can (and will) be cleared up with just a few minutes' work. I don't see the need for the dab page. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 00:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't matter if there currently isn't, fact is there has been. The number of links to Bouygues Telecom/Bouygues Télécom that are meant for the cycling team is too high, and even if you clear these ones up, new ones will appear. This is the thing about disambiguation - you can clear all erroneous links up now but you will get more and more. What's the harm in a DAB page anyway? How does it harm anything? Severo^TC 14:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

So zero links is too many? And I'm not sure what "harm" has to do with anything. It should be about utility, and right now the page has none. Maybe if it's moved to the title without diacritics it could have a tiny bit of utility, but even then, it's pretty unlikely that an editor is going to link to Bouygues Telecom intending to link to the cycling team (since the ones that would be doing it are, well, us) and even more unlikely that a reader is going to search for Bouygues Telecom and seek the cyclin team, since they're now commonly referred to as Bbox (which is also pretty prominent on their jersey). Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 15:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Which you write after repairing six of the seven, lol. Still, the Bouygues Telecom article only has about 30 inbound links. The primary use of Bouygues Telecom (with or without accents, Google doesn't care about them so most readers probably won't either) will be for the cycling team. It doesn't matter this is no longer the official name of the team. What would probably be a better solution would be to merge Bouygues Telecom into Bouygues and have a disambiguation page at Bouygues Telecom. Severo^TC 15:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, no, I'd repaired them before you wrote your first reply (didn't notice the other, but I've gotten that one now). Aside from utility is navigation - how is a reader ever going to end up at this page? If they type in "Bouygues Telecom" looking for the cycling team, they get the mobile phone company, but right at the top of the article is a hatnote for the cycling team. If they're a little obsessive or maybe have a French keyboard that makes typing accented characters easier, they type in "Bouygues Télécom," they get to the same page. The only way they make it to that dab is if they type in "Bouygues Télécom (disambiguation)" which no one is ever going to do. I think I'm probably going to end up taking this to AFD. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 15:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that it's the wrong place for a disambiguation page, but there should be a disambiguation page. By insisting that the article Bouygues Telecom can be at that place because the cycling team is now known by a slightly different name means that everyone searching for the Bouygues Telecom cycling team (as the team was know for several years and is still referred to) they end up with some mobile phone company nobody outside of France cares about. From a readership view this is poor. It's actually quite simple, as I note above. Merge Bouygues Telecom into Bouygues (they're both short articles so no article length issues) and have the disambig page at Bouygues Telecom (with or without accents, doesn't matter). Severo^TC 16:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Another template issue

{{Cycling pw rider}}. Can it (and whatever others may be necessary) be altered to be like {{flagathlete}} so that it gives the nation itself in a link and not just the flag by itself, which is something we've been trying in earnest to avoid? Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 01:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeh, will look at the best way to do it without breaking all the current transclusions. Severo^TC 14:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. Severo^TC 15:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

2008-2009 UCI Europe Tour

Please don't eliminate the team flags in the 2008-2009 UCI Europe Tour. I update personally any race and it's annoying to see someone eliminating my work.LegendK (talk) 13:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

As per emerging WikiProject Cycling consensus, team "nationalities" are meaningless. As per the notice at the bottom of the page,"If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it." If you think team "nationalities" have meaning, please comment at the WikiProject Cycling talk page - this affects many more articles than just the 2008-2009 UCI Europe Tour page. Thanks, Severo^TC 14:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Categorisation Barnstar

Thanks for the award, Severo!!! :D --NaBUru38 (talk) 22:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

ALT text

WP:ALT. It's all the rage right now in discussion of promoted articles. So any chance of a field for it getting added to {{Infobox Cycling race report}} ? Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 21:41, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

If I find some time for Wikipedia :) Severo^TC 11:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Wish I'd known about this

"Tour of Flanders" doesn't even necessarily refer only to the cycling race, while "Ronde van Vlaanderen" does. The only time I've actually even seen the race referred to as "Flanders" is in direct quotes of English-speaking cyclists. Anyway, commiserations, and I wish I'd been around to oppose. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 00:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)