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Imperial Triple Crown

Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Imperial triple crown jewels upon NativeForeigner for contributions to all sorts of diverse articles in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC. Well done, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

RFA

I've set up the page here. You know the drill. If you'd like me to change my statement in any way, feel free to contact me. If you have anybody willing to conom you, just drop them a line or ask me to talk to them. Good luck! bibliomaniac15 07:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd conom if you want one, otherwise I'll be trundling over there to support :-) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll get back to you on conoms in about six hours, and may not want this transcluded until about the 12th, as I have some fairly major work to get done between now and then. Again, thanks for the support. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 16:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Look forward to seeing this go live on the 12th. Good luck! BencherliteTalk 10:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

White Horse prophecy DYK

Thank you for showing your support for my writing efforts on White Horse Prophecy. I had hesitated to not label this page as a stub at first, but given that you and another editor both feel it's beyond stub status, I'll certainly defer to your judgment. I've been editing for five years now, but this is my first DYK submission. Once again, thanks. Richwales (talk) 14:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I-P conflict

Hi Native! Thanks for that link, I'll definitely check it out and hopefully gain insight into the best way to help edit these articles. Cheers :) Zuchinni one (talk) 00:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Eric Selleck

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : LI (May 2010)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue LI (May 2010)
From the coordinators

With Eurocopter's resignation (see editorial below), this month marks the end of his tenure as a project coordinator. Eurocopter has been with the team for almost three years now and will be sorely missed, but he has taken the tough decision that his real life commitments have unfortunately made it too hard for him to focus on his coordinator duties. We wish him good luck in the future, both in real life and on-wiki.

Efforts to redesign The Bugle are moving forward and it is our intention to roll out a new format, based on the Signpost, for next month's issue. We hope that this will allow us to provide better coverage of the project's news by allowing more room to expand on the stories we bring to you. If you have any comments or suggestions on what we can do to improve coverage, please let us know.

—your IX Coordinator Tranche, May 2010

Articles of note

New featured articles:

  1. Action of 1 August 1801
  2. Battle of Villers-Bocage
  3. Brian Eaton
  4. HMAS Australia (1911)
  5. HMS Lion (1910)
  6. Japanese battleship Tosa

New featured lists:

  1. List of battleships of Germany

New A-Class articles:

  1. 102nd Intelligence Wing
  2. Battle of Quebec (1775)
  3. Bombing of Yawata (June 1944)
  4. Deutschland class battleship
  5. Indiana class battleship
  6. Russian battleship Slava
  7. SMS Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand
  8. SMS Hannover
  9. William Ellis Newton
Project news
  • With consensus reached on a name the American Civil War task force has officially opened our newest special project. Codenamed Brothers at War, its goal will be "...to improve [US Civil War] related Wikipedia articles to featured status, and to see as many of these as possible appear on the main page on their respective 150th anniversaries."
  • The straw poll concerning preemptive disambiguation of military units as outlined by our Manual of Style has been closed, with near unanimous consensus that the current practice of preemptive disambiguation be retained. Thanks to everyone who participated in either the discussion or the straw poll.
  • Members of Operation Majestic Titan have adopted a three-tiered award system to show appreciation to those who have done work on battleship or battlecruiser articles. Formally known as the Titan's Cross, the award has been issued to Parsecboy, Climie.ca, The ed17, and MBK004.
  • The project's official IRC channel (#wikipedia-en-milhist) has been restarted. Project members and anyone interested in military history are encouraged to join us for substantive discussions, social discourse and a few laughs. Instructions on how to get on IRC are available here.
Contest department
Awards and honours
Editorial: Project coordination and constructive editing

For those of you who might not know me, I'm Eurocopter. I served as a coordinator of the Military history WikiProject from August 2007 until few days ago, when I decided to resign due to real life issues making it impossible for me to continue to perform project duties on a regular basis. Reflecting on my experience and activities within the project, I decided to write this editorial to set out a few thoughts and offer some advice to interested members.

First of all, what does project coordination mean and how does it help the Military history WikiProject? Although the coordinators do not have any real executive powers, they play an important role in project management. To make editing contributions easier for our members we establish guidelines, manage Peer and A-Class reviews, and consult and assist when needed. The primary goal of the coordination team has always been to stimulate the development of quality articles and, once they have been developed, to facilitate maintaining them at a high standard for as long as possible. This has been carried out through the organization of a considerable number of assessment drives, contests and special projects. However, there is still much to be done to make the project one of the best and most active wiki-communities. Coordinator involvement in trying to achieve this, as the central promoters of any activity undertaken within the project, is more than important; the coordination team should stand as an example of civilised and constructive cooperation. Perhaps the most annoying issue—unfortunately quite widespread through the pages of Wikipedia—is POV-dominated conflict. While such a phenomenon might seem inevitable in a community within which hundreds of members of different nationalities with different historical and political views interact, it doesn’t mean we should accept it. The ability to neutrally mediate such conflicts is an important and desirable coordinator function.

Secondly, but most importantly in my opinion, is the question of how the project enables editors to contribute effectively. Perhaps you already know how difficult it is to take an article to the highest quality levels such as A-Class or featured status. It is even harder to do this working alone. I believe the best thing the Military history WikiProject has done is to bring together groups of editors with similar interests. As there are very few editors skilled in all the diverse article development areas, you might feel the need for help from editors more experienced in, for example, advanced copy editing, image editing etc. To this end the project provides task forces and special projects where members should always feel encouraged to ask questions, discuss, debate and give advice. Such cooperation is the best way to create properly balanced articles and to establish a neutral point of view. Our Style guide and Academy are also useful in guiding you along the path of writing an article. A final, but vital, part of the collaborative article writing process is editor behaviour when interacting with other editors who are contributing to the same article. Even on those occasions where an editor upsets you or allows their personal opinions to influence their editing, always remain calm, civil and try to reach an agreement. Contributing to Wikipedia is something most of us do as a hobby; time spent in useless conflicts is precious editing time wasted.

All in all, the Military history WikiProject is a good meeting point for milhist-interested editors, both beginners and advanced, with someone always there to give help and advice when needed. I wish to thank all my fellow coordinators and project members who keep this beautiful community running. I will certainly miss it!

Best regards and happy wiki-editing! Eurocopter (talk) 20:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

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TB

Heh, not using the template, no worries. :) User talk:The ed17#RfA —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 19:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Timeline of the Republic of China's nuclear program edit conflict

I see we had an edit conflict on Timeline of the Republic of China's nuclear program. I think my edit covered all of the ones you were making, plus the ones you had planned, so I proceeded with mine. If you disagree, feel free to revert my edit and continue with yours. TJRC (talk) 00:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it seems to be fine, but generally the formatting you used is pseudo deprecated. Went ahead and overwrote, although the same thing was accomplished. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 00:54, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Surra de Bunda ‎

  • Long enough yet? Man, it really needs a picture, but I'm not sure I can accomplish that.--Milowent (talk) 05:46, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
    • Still 500 characters short :/ I'll look into it tomorrow. THere probably isn't a free image of it though. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 05:52, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
      • Thanks, I can expand the text, I am sure, will come back to it w/in the next day.--Milowent (talk) 06:15, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Watchlists also obviate the need for these ugly TB banners ;) Kudpung (talk) 05:20, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

BLP

unsourced BLPs for members of any important sports team, at least from English-speaking countries can always be sourced. The first place to try is G News archive. The second is the club site. I consequently removed your BLP prod on Joe Walsh (footballer) after adding one of the available refs. You could have done it. It's a lot of work checking the prods, and it needs some degree of cooperation by other people not prodding sourceable articles. That way, I & the very few other admins who have taken the responsibility for patrolling prod can concentrate on the ones that may be more difficult to source, and more accurately remove the unsourceable. DGG ( talk ) 19:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I'll try and be more diligent about sourcing members of sports teams. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 21:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

EDL Cambridge

Hello, just fyi your prod has been contested by the author, so I took this one to afd. Regards, De728631 (talk) 20:28, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Rodserlingstamp.jpeg

Thank you for uploading File:Rodserlingstamp.jpeg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the file. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. — ξxplicit 20:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Korean e-Sports Players Association

Hello! Your submission of Korean e-Sports Players Association at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! — Rlevse • Talk • 20:44, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

RfA

Thank you very much for your contribution to my Rfa. I have made a comment about it at User talk:JamesBWatson#Your Request for Adminship which you are, of course, very welcome to read if you wish to. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:31, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Your RfA

Beat the crat congratulations! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:26, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations!
It is my great pleasure to inform you that your Request for Adminship has
closed successfully and you are now an administrator!

Useful Links:
• Administrators' reading list • Administrators' how-to guide •
• Administrator's Noticeboard • Administrator's Noticeboard for Incidents • Administrator's Noticeboard for 3RR •
IRC admin channel (#wikipedia-en-admins connect)
Your admin logs:
• blocks • deletions • moves • protects • uploads •

 : — Rlevse • Talk • 01:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the template :) Quite centralized. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 01:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Beat the 'crat congrats...

...on what is clearly a successful Rfa. Despite the fact that I !voted against, I'm happy to say that I'm glad you made it, and wish you all the best! Jusdafax 01:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC) (That fact that I didn't beat the 'crat in no way diminishes my congrats!) Jusdafax 01:29, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try not to blow anything up! NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 01:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure you'll do a good job. :) Let me know if I can be of assistance and feel free to rummage aroun my monobook.js for any scripts you might find useful. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Whoo! A great editor was just promoted. Congrats friend :) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 02:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, thankfully it ended before a brawl erupted on my RfA ... NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 02:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Congratulations. I'm sure you will do an excellent job.  -  Begoon (talk) 03:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Congratulations Monsieur. Orphan Wiki 07:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Congrats! :) Theleftorium (talk) 08:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Ditto, and about time too. Now stop patting yourself on the back and get to work! Add me to the long list of people who will gladly help you out if you get stuck. Very best wishes, BencherliteTalk 08:16, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Congratulations! I opposed, but that doesn't mean i aren't glad to see you actually made it. Have fun in the New admin school, and best of luck "out in the open" afterwards. As a handy tip - you may wish to consider using a dashboard to display area's that need help. Personally i found that easier then checking every backlog manually. Again, congrats! Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 08:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Congratulations. I was at least going to move my oppose to a 'neutral' but the crats were quicker at closing the RfA. I have every faith in their decision and I'm sure you'll do a good job.--Kudpung (talk) 13:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks guys. It looks like more oppose and neutrals are congratulating me than supports, and thank you for it :) NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 18:03, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Congrats, and good luck with your new mop! ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 23:50, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Congrats! (And welcome to the suck :) TomStar81 (Talk) 09:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Korean e-Sports Players Association

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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:| TelCoNaSpVe :| 17:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Like I mentioned on my talk page, you are welcome to redact the comments on the ip address' talk page as well. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 18:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Hm...

You didn't even give me time to justify my request for deletion of pre coding. The reason is simply that it is an unnecessary and unqualified name whose former article was changed into a redirect as a quick fix. I won't argue, but this redirect is pointless. Nageh (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply on my talk page and the suitable RfD. I'm always overwhelmed by the number of options in the TW deletion dialog. Nageh (talk) 19:30, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
No problem at all. It can be quite overwhelming at first. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 19:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Freenode

I'll try not to do anything for shady strangers not in #wikimedia-en-admins (or there for that matter) In other words, I'm confirming my identity. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 01:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd also like a cloak. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 06:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Seo Ji-Hun

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Another Keegscee Sock

The socks keep coming out of the drawer, User:Xobni lluf is the newest. Kinda sad the user just doesn't seem to be smart enough to get they aren't welcome. Could you give this new sock the ol' heave ho' back into the hamper? - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:11, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Problem taken care of by User:Fastily. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:15, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Just seen your post when I posted here. The user seems to like to post nonsensical posts like he is from NASA (this time) or he is wanting someone to read his resume (the one before). He seems to be doing it for attention. Oddly, we have several rangeblocks up for him, but he has broken through them, which is slightly annoying. He isn't a very good sock as he has PLAXICO'd himself each time he gets a new account. He shows up on User:Georgewilliamherbert‎'s page or mine with some nonsense. I wish we could cast the wide-net-of-a-rangeblock, but that would cause too much colateral damage. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:19, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
By the way, these are the accounts used (that we know of) so far. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. If you need help feel free to leave a message. You're a sock detector :) NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 04:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Just call me static cling. :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:23, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Got another one for ya....admitted this time. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:51, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Sir. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 05:34, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Check WT:AIV. (helperbot was being too helpful) I have no clue about how to execute a rangeblock, so I'm waiting for assistance. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 05:35, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Got a rangeblock on the proxy he was using. He will probably jump to another though. Just WP:PLAXICO himself again and again, he will use up all his spots to play. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 05:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. This is getting... ridiculous. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 05:45, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. This normally happens after school lets out for summer vacation. We get an uptick of vandalism, then in late August/early September it all dies down again. It's typical...thankfully it is almost over. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 05:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Bible verses

Following up on the noticeboard discussion, I think the best thing to do is start a new discussion on what the community thinks is best to do with pages like this. I've started a page at Wikipedia:Bible verses/2010. It's been five years since any of this was discussed at all. Most of the people from back then are gone, and the community and its standards have also changed. Hopefully a fresh discussion can result in a resolution everyone will be happy with, and it'd be great to have your participation. - SimonP (talk) 06:06, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks. I undid a few and then thought, wait... 5 years is quite a while. Thanks for bringing this up. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 06:06, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer

Hi, NativeForeigner. I was reading the Admin noticeboard, where User:Scott Free made self-serving comments about admin User:J Greb, including the remarkable charge of "abuse of admin privileges". If I read correctly, you have elevated Scott Free to reviewer. I would like to point out that he had been banned for a long period for attempting to make the same non-consensus and dishonestly faux-cited edits at John Buscema that he is attempt to make again now.

For the full picture of Scott Free's contentious and dishonest behavior, please see Talk:John Buscema's current discussion and also click in the arbitration box at the top of that page for the discussion that got Scott Free (and myself) banned from that article for a time — a ban extended on Scott Free for exactly the same behavior he is exhibiting now.

His charges against admin J Greb are self-serving misdirection. Scott Free has exhibited much contentious and dishonest behavior, and I'm not sure he should be rewarded for that with Reviewer privileges. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

In reply... I agree, Scott Free hasn't been forthright. Secondly, if you didn't already know, reviewer privileges are being distributed to about any editor with 250 edits or more. I think it isn't administrator abuse, at all. But point being, by giving him reviewer rights not much changes. It's still like the article isn't protected, and although his moves haven't been good, I figured the best way to resolve it would be to give him the rather powerless reviewer right, and totally nullify any misguided complaint at admin abuse he could come up with. If he is seen to be abusing it, I have no prejudice against removing it... Even given his not so great editing history, I don't see reason that he would abuse the right to let blatant vandalism into the article, what the reviewer right is for. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 06:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Also, if you have any blatant examples of him misusing the right, it would not be without reason to have a consensus for removal. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 06:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
NF: Thank you for the background. You clearly have perspective, and that's to be much appreciated. I'm very glad and gratified you're helping to keep an eye on things. If it's appropriate to stop in at current RfC, please do. With thanks and regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 06:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Greetings

Greetings NativeForeigner - just seen that you've extended the debate over at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian McCormack. Not sure if it's necessary 'cos the creating user specifically asked me to delete it but I left it as an admin task (please see last post by editor at the deletion page and this exchange on talk page). Am interested to know Wikipolicy on this one, i.e. in a speedy delete case, the creator can request deletion, but what happens in an "ordinary" AfD? Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 01:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Got it. I misinterpreted ChildrenOfLight's comment. Hence a fairly easy delete close. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 01:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Just simple curiosity - and, as proposing AfDer and main correspondent with article creator, had an interest in seeing it resolved tidily. Thanks for being out there! --Technopat (talk) 01:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
No problem. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 01:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ResPublica

Would you mind re looking at the above close, you closed it as keep, at best it was 'no consensus' - would you consider re-listing? Codf1977 (talk) 06:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Four keeps, two deletes. I'll post on AN, and see if anyone will review it, and agree with you. I'm fairly confident in my decision, but I'll have some other admins look into it. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 06:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for referring it, which ever way it goes much appreciated. Codf1977 (talk) 08:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

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