User talk:Keakealani/Archive2

Shmex

Welcome to Wikipedia! We could really use your help to create new content, but your recent additions (such as Shmex) are considered nonsense. Please refrain from creating nonsense articles. If you want to test things out, edit the sandbox instead. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. I-hunter 22:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me? I simply tagged the article for speedy deletion under WP:CSD#G1...I surely don't think that's nonsense. I would take another look at the page's history, as I don't really care to have warnings on my talk page for things I didn't do. —Keakealani 22:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Please accept my apologies for that. I will make sure I look more carefully at the history pages in future. Sorry once again. I-hunter 22:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Sandbox header

Thank you for the reminder regarding the Sandbox; I inadvertently selected and replaced everything with the code I was trying out. lolz! =) I have also returned all the entries I had blanked out in my talk page; I never thought about it that way -- I guess I was treating my Talk page like some recycle bin that needed to be emptied periodically. Good thing you pointed that out. =) Thanks! Kguirnela 05:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not a problem, I figured as much ^^ Yeah, the only issue with the talk page blanking, really, is if you have warnings that you don't display properly, so that editors have no way of knowing what you did in the past...if anything XD Thanks for taking it so well ^_^ —Keakealani 06:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

A newbie has to take a lot of advice. =) <- this is an ancient smiley. lolz! Kguirnela 06:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Gaia Userbox

Wow it's been awhile since I logged in. Feel free to take anything; if I didn't want it shared, I don't put it on wikipedia.Spriteless 03:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

"Un-corrected" (An apology)

I've only just gotten your message regarding the removal of my corrections to the "Why was my page deleted?" article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_was_my_page_deleted

I'd like to apologise - sincerely! - if I seemed bigoted towards my American spellings. I honestly had no idea that "labelled" and "offence" were British words. (In fact, I don't quite know whether they are or not, since my changes to "labeled" and "offense" still appear to be there.) All I knew is that they seemed strange to me, and when I checked them with a Microsoft Word Spellcheck, they came up as errors.

If your message was about something else I did and just don't remember, I apologize for that as well. I wouldn't be surprised if something has slipped my memory, as it's been nearly three weeks, and I've been very busy. It also took me a while to figure out that I wasn't automatically signed in when I opened Wikipedia, which is why I didn't get your message until yesterday.

I like this website a lot, and I don't like to cause trouble. I'm really very sorry. Thanks for giving me the heads-up. ^_^

No, it's no worries at all! I just wanted to make sure that you realised that some articles can have alternative spellings...that's all. No problem ^^ —Keakealani 21:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

New Page Warnings

Generally speaking, I just use the templates. Makes warnings concise and consistent. I really wish there was an easier way to do CSD with more options for warnings. Right now I'm just using a script to allow me to quickly add tags. I'll take your suggestions into consideration and hopefully use. Thanks. -- dhp1080 ^(u·t·c) 22:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

From EOBeav

Thanks, but I think vandalism is intended to discredit the integrity of Wikipedia. This article was utter nonsense anyway. I'll use those other codes though. EOBeav 07:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Your quickness on new pages patrol

How do you do it? <newbie lookin' for pointers> :-) Nashville Monkey 22:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Fast internet. XD I don't know, really, I've been sort of getting into the groove, so I tend to instinctively know which articles are likely to be really inappropriate (for example, if it's the name of the person, but the last name isn't capitalised, it's either non-notable or needs to be moved to the correct caps). If you want to take your turn with NPP, I'd be happy to lay off and give you some practice...I didn't realise someone else was there XD —Keakealani 22:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

No-no-no you keep up the good work, I'll find my niche and pick up speed in time Nashville Monkey 22:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

{{inuse}}

Hullo...I knew it was something...I used {{wait}}, which seems to have essentially the same purpose... Thanks for your vigilance tho. Cheers, Tomer^talk 23:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Oooh. I see now...you were referring to a different article. Yeah...I'm in one of those situations where I wanted to write an article and found out it needed 2 tiers of articles above it to keep it from being orphaned, or ridiculously out of place. Anyways, thanks again. Tomer^talk 01:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

on your reversal of my Daily Show edit

You edited out my comments from The Daily Show page. I found a paragraph discussing the show's liberal viewpoint, so I put in an explanation of what liberal meant. You reverted the paragraph to its previous form, before my edits, citing the irrelevance of liberalism to the Daily Show's page. Since I completely agree with that, I've erased the entire paragraph about the show's liberalism. I hope this is in compliance with your ideas and the Wikipedia rules.

thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gathly (talk • contribs) 12:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Yeah...I didn't mean any harm, and that's perfectly fine. Sorry for any confusion! —Keakealani 16:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for turning on the lights

I really appreciate the insight. I was feeling a bit lost and overwhelmed.

I will look carefully over the items you have brought to my attention. Hopefully, I will be adding what I can as soon as possible. Thanks again. I'll let you know if I have any other questions. Billmurray6 18:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Namespace mistakes

Hi Kakealani, Thanks very much for correcting my mistakes. However, you don't need to grumble about it: they were both created at the same time and your note was only noticed AFTER the second mistake. At least the third page which I started is OK, I hope. Thanks again, and congrats for the quick draw as the first user on the list remarked. I'll have to learn this skill one day Bye LouisBB 06:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I've just looked at your archives, and you being a coach. I am certain I need some coaching. I am nil at 'templetes' and could not find a tutorial for this. I could also do with a list of all the 'switches' one can use.

Congrats to all those starts, and sorry about mis-spelling your name. I'll rap on my fingers! 'speak to you again. Bye LouisBB 06:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC) There you are, here is another misspell for you: Congrats to all your stars, not starts (It's age that does it. I do this job to keep the braincells active, apart from the desire to help, and mistakes tend to proliferate). You are well placed there, we had frosty nights for a week now. All the best to you. LouisBB 07:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Will Lethbridge

I moved the page concerned to the user concerned page.. Was about to tag anyway - Thanks :-) ShakespeareFan00 18:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, whoops! Must have been during while my page was loading ^^; Thanks! —Keakealani 18:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

aprilween

i recently submitted an entry regarding the Aprilween celebration, which you tagged as non sense. Have you tried searching google for "aprilween"? back when the yearly celebration started, there was not one single entry for it, and today there are 569 entries.

Please advise on whats the next step. I am consulting you because i would like to post it back up without having it taken down again —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ebarcell (talk • contribs) 18:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

569 google hits really isn't enough for an article - see Wikipedia:Notability for a discussion on notability guidelines. If the celebration isn't widely celebrated amongst at least a notable religious, ethnic, national, or cultural population, it probably isn't notable. In many cases, notability is determined by sourcing. Can you provide a major newspaper article about the article subject? Is it widely publicised? Are there high-profile celebrations which would be noted in a magazine entry? Of course, if you can provide a way to show that reliable sources find the subject important enough to warrant a major coverage, it will be right at home on Wikipedia. If it's something you made up one day with a bunch of friends, chances are it will not be here for long. I would be happy to assist you with writing, but I would like at least a couple notable sources to work off of.

As for getting it back you, see Wikipedia:Deletion review for procedures to contest a previous deletion. Be prepared to show extensive sourcing and clear arguments (based on solid Wikipedia policy) as to why you feel the article is warranted. Good luck! —Keakealani 06:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Walter Pahnke

Hello and thanks for the quick reply to my help request.

I have started a page for "Walter N. Pahnke" who is also referred to in other articles as "Walter Pahnke". I would like for both to link to the same pages.

I don't think it is a diambiguation issue. There are no other people listed with the same or a significantly similar name.

I am not sure what solution would work best. I just don't want one of the forms of the name to link to a blank page when the article stub has been started already.

Can you sugggest something to resolve this issue?

Thanks Canticle 06:32, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Pahnke again

Thank you for your assistance. The redirect worked well.

I am a fledgling wikipedian slowly gathering familiarity with the system. Thank you for a friendly and supportive experience. More to come I am sure.

Canticle 08:14, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

You must be blind or cannot read

When I asked for help and you could not read the articles a user vandalized, you should have left my Helpme alone for another editor to fix the pages. The vandalism is apparent just by taking a look at the history of changes to see what the vandal. If you can't spot vandalism, please don't take off the helpme. Ronbo76 18:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I really don't appreciate being attacked that way. I tried my best, in good faith, to help you, and the diffs I saw (and there were only six or so) were either not current edits (had been self-reverted) or were not vandalism. I'm sorry you felt the need to personally attack me, but it was a good faith mistake and I really, really do not appreciate this comment. —Keakealani 18:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

The vandalism was obvious from all the edits except one; either they were obvious nonsense, or they were minor edits to obvious nonsense (so the said nonsense could still be seen in the diff). I don't believe Ronbo is out of line here; his post isn't an 'attack' on you. I take that back; the section header is an unwarranted attack, but I think you could be a bit more sensitive to Ronbo's reaction to your mistake. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 18:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I fully sympathise with you Keakealani. Rude notes are upsetting. However, equally upsetting are cynical, or demeaning remarks, which could come from you. Viz my error which has occurred twice in short succession because my sandboxes were wrongly formatted. A telling off came about the second error before I could even look at your remark about the first. No one is perfect, nothing is perfect either, so let's have a bit of leaninency. Perhaps you could point to an appropriate page for help instead. LouisBB 06:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Policy

Good afternoon (GMT time); I noticed while reading through your user page that you are trying to read up on Wikipedia policy. Perhaps this link can make your life a little easier.

Also, if you find yourself struggling on Wikipedia why not get yourself adopted? I myself am involved in the Adopt-a-User Program, and we are always open to more users willing to learn.

Hope I've helped, and see you around.

Cheers and regards,
Anthonycfc (talk • checkuser • email) 14:27 28/12/06

"be bold" editing

Thanks for your response about my article on jockey deaths. I don't know what you mean by this. I might just be ignorant of editing standards. Can you explain? By the way, I'm a musician also with interest in thoery. Carmenj 03:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Check out this link: Wikipedia:Be bold in editing pages. Basically, I'm suggesting that you should go ahead and do what you feel will better the encyclopedia - other editors should recognise that your edit is in good faith and they will appreciate your help. Anyway, though, it's really awesome to meet other musicians...I'll save the chatting sorts of things for another day, but I'd love to talk more about theory, since I'm mostly self-taught... —Keakealani 05:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello, Keakealani! Thank you so much for the help in the help desk. I especially apprechiate when you told me how to make pages in your userspace fancy. Check out my userpage. Kamope 14:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for helping me at the help desk. I guess I should watch the template I was looking for, {{db-author}}, so I won't forget next time. | AndonicO ^{Talk | Sign Here} 17:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your kindness

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Keakealani, I award you the Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar for all your question answering at the help desk. You have really helped a lot of Wikipedians. Awarded by Kamope | userpage | talk | contributions 23:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! This is really unexpected, especially since I haven't even been very active lately...Anyway, I'm glad to help! —Keakealani·talk·contribs 18:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Unnamed comment by Codemonkey420

Keakealani, I see you tagged TechDiversions for deletion - that didn't take long, I was still working on it :) But I'll work on the entire bio offline (and get all the sited articles that I wanted to include in the text). Sorry if I posted it up pre-maturely.

Codemonkey420 04:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Derrick

Ah...yeah, I do a bit of New Page Patrol, so I just tag things as they come. Sorry if I did so accidentally ^^; I would strongly suggest drafting new articles (a userspace subpage is a good idea) before you submit. Otherwise, you can tag it with {{inuse}}, notifying editors that you're working on major edits. Welcome to Wikipedia, and good luck! —Keakealani·?·!·@ 07:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

3Lato3

I didnt vandalize or deconstruct anything. I dont get how you can justify yourself. I was being constructive by creating the 3Lato3 page and I had to wait to show the relavance of the page. Because they invented ampbending. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mwhitby (talk • contribs) 06:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

You've repeatedly recreated articles that are inappropriate for the encyclopedia, and continue to ignore warnings asking you to stop. We consider repeated repostings vandalism. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 06:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

So are you saying if another person were to post the same thing it wouldnt be deleted? Because i think recognizing a group for inventing something deserves to be in the encyclopedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mwhitby (talk • contribs) 06:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

It would be deleted, unless they provide adequate sourcing that it's notable based on Wikipedia's guidelines for notability. —Keakealani·?·!·@

Warning

I saw your comment on Ronbo76's talk page. Don't use {{prod2}} for speedy deletions, it is only used for proposed deletions John Reaves 05:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

prod2

I usually do patrol on the Recent Changes page off to the left side of the screen. I look for articles that have bold N in them indicating they are new and then compare the name of the article with the username and its summary. If something does not add up right, I open the article.

Another thing I do is look for articles that have usual edits to them from anonymous IPs where a huge number of characters have been deleted/inserted. Sometimes the article's title will trigger a response too, i.e., any city near S.F. because anon IPs like to tag them with homophobic remarks. Then too current events also play into page patrol. If someone is in the news, anon IPs and even registered users like to do graffiti edits.

The prod2 works nice because a senior editor said it shows that someone has looked at the article and now the admin can follow up on the routine things a deletion requires.

Being in Hawaii, you are in a good time zone to do page patrol as when India comes online, their anon IPs go bonkers. Sometimes if I have nothing to do early in the morning, I will stay up til 2 am PST to do patrol

Happy hunting! Ronbo76 05:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I just got the same warning you did about prod2. I will have to ask about that. Ronbo76 05:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's a good one I just caught: Castro Valley High School which is near SF. A random IP decided to deface their HS page. BTW, I am not gay because I defend SF; I just know it's a magnet. Sometimes I hate having to defend or reverse an edit but do my duty. Ronbo76 06:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

My Welcome Template

Hi Keakealani. Thanks for your suggestion about my welcome template, I made the change. Sadly, I haven't used the template in a while (since I'm not as active as I used to be), but hopefully this will change! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 00:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Your welcome, I'm not sure what his problem is, maybe he'll come around. Also, don't forget to sign your comments with ~~~~. John Reaves 21:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Man, it shows I haven't been on Wikipedia for a while - thanks for the reminder! —Keakealani·?·!·@ 21:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

A very Californian RfA thanks from Luna Santin

Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of (97/4/4)! I've never been able to accept compliments gracefully, and the heavy support from this outstanding community left me at a complete loss for words -- so, a very belated thank you for all of your kind words. I have done and will continue to do the utmost to serve the community in this new capacity, wherever it may take me, and to set an example others might wish to follow in. With a little luck and a lot of advice, this may be enough. Maybe someday the enwiki admins of the future will look back and say, "Yeah, that guy was an admin." Hopefully then they don't start talking about the explosive ArbComm case I got tied into and oh what a drama that was, but we'll see, won't we? Surely some of you have seen me in action by now; with that in mind, I openly invite and welcome any feedback here or here -- help me become the best editor and sysop I can be. Again, thank you. –Luna Santin

Looking back on the RfA comments is a nice trip down memory lane. :) I'm glad to have been around to have a good influence on anybody -- in your case, especially, you've turned out to be an asset to the wiki. We'll just need to work out the terrible example I'm setting, being so far behind on this. x.x Luna Santin 12:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

!

Whew! At least a major tsunami didn't come to Hawaii! I heard on the news that there was a tsumani warning in Hawaii! Well at least the tides only rose by 4 inches. I'm glad you were safe! Kamope | userpage | talk | contributions 14:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. When I heard about the tsumani warning on the news, I was thinking "Oh, no, Keakealani!". Kamope | userpage | talk | contributions 14:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Funny, because when I heard the warning, I was like "hmm, maybe we'll have a tsunami. Oh well, it probably won't get to my house" XD I have to say, the mainland news tends to exaggerate the risks, like when we had the earthquake. Everyone in Hawaii was pretty calm, but apparently it was on CNN and mainlanders panicked. Well, and Hawaii is so laid-back nobody really freaks out. But thank you so much for your concern...unfortunately I probably wouldn't have the internet to see it if we had been hit, but *shrug* thank you ^^ —Keakealani·?·!·@ 18:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. I have a freaky weather story for you. Last summer, I went to vacation in Sudbury, Ontario. It was a nice day, however just before I got there, it was raining, then there was this huge fog. A bunch of cars were polled over. There were many sheets of rain and hail. Finally we got to Sudbury, where the lady who worked at a hotel said that there were 2 tornados! We ran right through the center of the two tornados on the way up there. Also when we got there, there was plenty of damage like powerlines down, and the hydro was out. Kamope · talk · contributions 00:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Unnamed comment by Hurkummer

SWAYLOCKS

Why do you need to delete this, I just starte it less than a few hours ago?? You claim to be hawaiian? Go talk to some surfers and shapers before speedily deleting an article on probably the most important website/community in surfing. Give it a rest ok? Better yet, have a look through some of the discussions, did you know that the some of the newest tech and design is discussed on sways before it hits any other media? Did you know that when Clark Foam (worlds biggest supplier of surfboard blanks) closed most of the worlds shapers turnedd to swaylocks to find out about alternatives? Is this not notable beccause it is surf related and not geek related like slashdot???

I request a complete answer on my talk page, before expiry of your speedy delete tab.

Hurkummer 19:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered on User's talk page

So you didn't answer and now less than 24 hours after the stub was created you have gone ahead and deleted it. Very civil, very inviting to people to add content. Howzabout this. I quit wikipedia, since you behave as if you own it.

Excuse me? I did answer. I'm not an administrator, and I don't have any control over how fast they work. I am quite inviting to people to add content, provided they do so within policy and don't attack me for it. If you take even a quick review at my contributions you can see that I spend a lot of my time helping newbies and welcoming them. I'm fine with you quitting - it saves server load and grief. I don't act as if I own it. I, if anyone, remember the policies of Wikipedia and follow them. It's not my fault you didn't read the links you were provided. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 22:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record, I read the items, I place a Hangon tag and you subsequently deleted the page anyway within 24 hours of the stub tag and within less than that of placeing the hangon tag. Why do you feel attacked when my post to you was nothing but a justification of notability as per guidelines and a request to hang on and let me take the time to complete. You ignored all of this started talking about getting angry and stopping communication. Then you proceed to make a comment on my talk page and turn he story around. This is not the first time I have seen this behaviour on wikipedia, really it is like pulling teeth sometimes. Nowhere in my post did I attack you or insult you. Read them again, slowly... Consider now your replies. Or don't whatever.. Hurkummer 11:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

A Reply

In the politest possible terms, launching up on the talk pages of users you have never spoken to before, and whose spheres of editing do not overlap with yours, making what might be considered personal questions and making what might be considered personal remarks, is not a good idea. Half the time, it's likely to get the editor annoyed at the intrusion (you'll notice I waited a while before replying :) ), which could end up with you getting your head bitten off.

In answer to your question, were you to examine my doings more closely, you would notice that for the most part, I am not particularly rude to others (apart from when they are rude to me, in which case all hell breaks loose - as happened just the other day). When I am notably rude without such justification, it is normally due to circumstances (e.g. I've had a particularly trying day, or I'm left infuriated by yet another good-will edit which nonetheless destabilises the integrity of the article). So far as I know, I have only been blisteringly rude without any mitigating factors twice - once in my early days of editing, when I got too involved with an article, and once in October when I got very worked up about another. I regret both of those incidences. Nonetheless, they are hardly a general attitude of attacking (I might say they indicate a general pattern of getting too involved with articles, and offended by changes to them - but apparently, twice does not a pattern make).

You would also notice that my attitude varies according to the sphere of work. I am far more polite in the history pages (see the talk page for Charles the Bold, or Mary I of England than I am at Harry Potter. And, having thought about it, I suspect that the reason for this is integral to the natures of those different regions.

The Harry Potter project is in a very real sense a gathering of 'experts' - both genuine and self-styled. And, as is the case whenever experts gather, they - we - all disagree about every single detail. It's like every professional conference you can imagine, only far worse, because everyone speaks and shouts at everyone else, and every person has a different way of speaking or thinking or writing, or they read a passage differently, or they try to include or omit relevant details to support their views, or they try to twist canonical fact because they think an article 'reads like a slam against' such and such, but someone else thinks it doesn't...it's endless. And the quiet tend to get drowned in such a rigmarole. In such an environment, the most common attitude for anyone who wants to do anything - and that includes me - is to shout, because if you don't you will not be heard - you may be able to point out little details, and may manage to get in a point you think should be included, but unless you fight for it it will be gone by the next day, swept away by a wave of changes. Some editors manage to ride this wave - but none are capable of keeping entirely calm. I doubt you could find a single notable editor in that project who has not recently visibly lost their temper, and most have probably been audibly rude at some point. Even T-dot, one of the best editors in the project recently lost his/her temper with another editor on the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows talk page - whilst not descending into rudeness, he/she nonetheless was quite clearly snappish with Reaves (who himself recently treated me to a pleasant tirade because I didn't think a redirect should be categorised). And I, myself, have never managed to secure myself any lasting calm in the project - temporary calm, yes, but before long, it's swept away by another issue in which someone challenges me, or makes a silly change, or once to make edits I don't agree with.

This, I find, is not the case in the history articles (or at least, not the ones I gravitate to). There, the culture is far more one of deference - respect is given to those who command the most knowledge, or who can quote the most/best sources. Thus, I don't argue with editors there if I accept that they know more about the issue than me - and I, in my turn, willingly give information that I know and others don't, in the expectation that it will be gratefully received. The only really vigourous disputes I have ever come across there are disputes over the sexuality of figures such as Richard I of England and Edward II of England - and even there, the aggressive voices tend to get pushed out in favour of the reasonable people (and I myself have never got involved, on the basis that I don't particularly care about the issues). It's a far more peaceful culture, and one where, these days, I effectively go to in order to relax, to get away from the generally hostile culture of the Harry Potter articles. Which is why I get very offended if the Harry Potter editors follow me there through deliberate perusal of my contributions - I personally consider it polite not to interfere with the other interests of an editor outside our common interests, and I like others to treat me with the same respect (admittedly, I have only been followed once, to my knowledge, when John Reaves deliberately followed me to an article and made some changes - when I complained to him, he sent back a rude message, which was pretty much why I hadn't wanted him following me in the first place).

To be honest, this problem can only really be solved by time - when Harry Potter has aged by ten, or twenty, or a hundred years, its articles will have evolved into literary articles - where, as with history, the order of the day will be to quote the best expert, and where few people will be playing the armchair expert (unfortunately, by that time, I will probably have lost interest in HP, and possibly wikipedia. And that's being optimistic that in 100 years I won't be dead). Until then, the project's culture of 'rule of the strongest' will continue, and aggression from all parties will continue to be the standard mode. And, no doubt, I will make more botches and be rude in the future - as I said, I tend to react to circumstance and attitude, so I'm hardly likely to maintain calm in the teeth of the storm. Which is something I regret, but accept - I enjoy being involved in Harry Potter, and I take the occasional bouts of shameful behaviour as part and parcel.

And your final point - I have no problem with 'Americans' in general - I don't as a rule stereotype in that manner (my remark was addressed to Reaves, who had not noticed the bad spelling, and to the person who originally inserted it - it hardly excuses the remark, but it wasn't aimed at any generalised group. Being of Jewish origins, I am the last person to make offensive generalised remarks about a nation). If I were to speak honestly, I would probably voice some doubts about the US - but then, I would voice equal doubts about every other country in the world, so it would hardly be victimisation.

Out of interest (my turn to ask the personal questions, on the basis that you have already introduced yourself), as a Hawaiian, do you consider yourself primarily as American or Hawaiian? I ask this because you suggested I dismiss you as an 'idiot American'; however, to my ignorant mind, your username appears distinctively Hawaiian (correct me if I am wrong) - I myself think of myself primarily as British, secondarily as English-Welsh-Russian Jewish.

Michaelsanders 13:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

He's got a bad habit of whispering about people behind their backs, despite what he may say about it on his userpage. At any rate, I just wanted to clarify that there wasn't a "deliberate following", it's often that other users look at the contributions of their peers. And as you probably know, it's hard to browse Wikipedia without clicking a link (as is the "Wikipedia way"). I merely clicked a link to an article he watches and decided to give it a cleanup. I suppose he feels threatened when his "turf" is encroached upon and edited. It is also relevant to note that these edits were not reverted or commented upon, they were helpful and they stayed. As for the rude comments, I tend to respond to rudeness with an equivalent tone. He tends to believe that just adding "please" or "thanks" makes comment not civil. John Reaves 13:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, be careful about civilty (e.g. on User talk:Hurkummer), you an get reprimanded for that (as Sanders and I both know). John Reaves 13:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

As you might have guessed, it's his sort of attitude that gets me wound up in the first place. When, for example, other editors follow me to what I believed was a private conversation and troll their way in. Michaelsanders 14:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

For your information, this talk page is on my watchlist. He claims to "detest those who whisper behind peoples backs" (from his userpage), but clearly has no qualms about doing it. So as you can see, you need to watch out for false accusations and hypocrisy from this guy. John Reaves 14:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I hope you can see now why I might at times be rude. Wikipedia - or, at least, Harry Potter - can be a stressful place at the best of times. When you have a stalker on your hands, it can make you livid. At any rate, I've given my views honestly; I'm sorry I led Reaves here. I suggest simply deleting his remarks - they clearly have no relevance here, merely being part of his general hate-campaigning and lack of recognition for etiquette and personal boundaries.

However, to do as he did: watch out for Reaves. If he thinks you're against him, he'll hound your wiki-life. And he has a nasty streak of spite and destruction in him - as I learned this week, he's willing to turn any arena into a full-scale brawl. Mind you, once a vandal, always a vandal - and vandalism, I am proud to say, has never been part of my repertoire. Anyway, be careful of him - don't hesitate to get the authorities in if he gives you trouble. Michaelsanders 15:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, there are decent people Wikipedia too, so don't let Michael scare you off. Yes, he prefers uncivility, violation of policy, backhanded remarks, etc to vandalism. If Michael would bother to look, he would notice that I left you a comment before him and naturally had good reason to watch your page and reply when I noticed the cowardly remarks left by him. Why he's not man enough to put the remarks on my talk page and abide by the politics he advocates on his userpage: I do not know. Sorry to use your talk page, but those backhanded remarks needed to be addressed so Michael wouldn't have the satisfaction of whatever cheap thrills slander gives him. John Reaves 17:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I have quite the chunk of text to get through this morning, but I'm really glad I got a lot of this out, in any rate. I, too, am a huge Harry Potter fan (however I reserve my debates for HP forums rather than Wikipedia), and I do indeed know what it's like to deal with those nitpicky people who just have to use canon in such-and-such a way to support the fact that so-and-so is definitely going to die, or whatever the case may be. I also have an interest in English history, and I know that side of the coin, too. In fact, it struck me when reading this article that even though our spheres of editing are different, out interests are very similar - I've just been too afraid to touch those large articles because I don't have any more knowledge than the stuff I've read in biographies as a kid.

At any rate, I'm really quite sorry that I had poked you like that - I realise now that it was not the smarted thing. However, I also think that it was valuable for all sides to get their thoughts out, and I personally hope that a greater level of understanding will be reached. I suppose I was still stepping out of my bounds, but I hope it will be for the best.

To answer the original question, I identify myself as American. It's a common misconception for people outside of the state, to think that all people from Hawaii are automatically Hawaiian. I am part Hawaiian, but I could as easily not be, and I'm certainly not very much, so it would be a downright lie to identify as Hawaiian. Politically, while I sympathize with some of the movements, I largely disagree with the way Hawaiian activists are going about their lobbying, and I don't identify as a political Hawaiian. I am, however, an American citezen by birth and residence, and I live in a society based on America, not on ancient Hawaiian roots. My name is Hawaiian - so are 80% of the street names. It's not that I don't identify at all, but my standpoint is that it's more important to be truthful to who I am and how I live. If that was too deep an answer, sorry, but I felt it needed explaining. Well, hopefully everything gets cleared out, and hopefully each of us can just accept my apologies and make our own, and we'll be happy. *shrug* —Keakealani·?·!·@ 21:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that: I was interested (and thus a little too rude, I think), and I found your answer interesting (and, I have to say, rather similar to my own views - as I said, I identify primarily as British rather than English-Welsh/Russian etc, regardless of my roots - they don't particularly affect my life). And as for deep answers - I gave you an essay, so I don't think I could complain about your (much shorter) reply. I have to say, I hadn't really thought out the issue completely - so my rambling account was as interesting for me as for you :)

Anyway, sorry for any offence I caused you - I hope I can avoid offending you in future (and that you will accept with a good-natured eye-roll anything I do say) - I hope we can chat again sometime.

Oh, and obligatory plug - if you're interested in history, get involved! There are always odds and ends that need dealing with, and you never know when you can help out with a piece of info that others can't find. Thanks! Michaelsanders 23:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

ballet tech ohio copyright infringement accusation

Hello

The information on ballet tech ohio is NOT copyright infringement! I am the Webmaster and I composed the entire website including it's text.

Everything on that site was written by myself unless it is a bio of a the school's founder Claudia Rudolf Barrett, or a bio of a faculty member. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Suetta (talk • contribs) 22:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia is licensed under the GFDL, meaning that all information present here has to have been previously released under GFDL or public domain, which there is no assertion of on that website which you plagiarized. Additionally, the content reads like and advertisement and thus is spam on Wikipedia. Even if the information were released, that article is nowhere near the style that is appropriate for an encyclopedia and would need to be substantially rewritten. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 22:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Esperanza

Hello, Keakealani! I was wondering if you knew when Esperanza is going to be active again. I'm planning to join in once it's active. Kamope · talk · contributions 00:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You know, I have no idea. I wasn't really that active in it, other than trying to edit in good faith and whatnot. I kind of doubt it will start up any time soon - from my understanding, it was starting to become an elitist spam-club, thus its removal. I really wouldn't be the best to ask, anyway, since I don't really know. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 00:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply to Talk

I was trying to make the page pop up so that images would open in a new window, please forgive me... I am new at this. Feel free to delete the article, I am not the author and was surprised to see someone of little notability on here. (Refrencing Jason Murphey —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TechTrav (talk • contribs) 06:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Unnamed comment by User:Soadquake981

Yeah...I just made that page for fun! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soadquake981 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Award!

Keakealani, I award you this fish for creating excellant articles on Hawaii. Hopefully you are successfull with your plan to created an article on something about Hawaii! Keep it up! Kamope · talk · contributions 00:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

thanks for the advice on the sandbox header. but wherever i go, i keep on seeing this new messages thing and it happend since you gave me that message. 74.110.226.150 20:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

It should stop saying "new message" once you've viewed your talk page, which you have since you got the message. And, by the way, it's not a problem, just a little tip XD If you're having problems with the message, you may want to try clearing you cache to try to fix the problem. Let me know if you still have trouble. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 20:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

i'm still having problems! 74.110.226.150 20:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Strange - is there anything particular that might be wrong? I'm not really a technical person, so maybe you should try the tech support section of the villiage pump. I wish I could help you more, though. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 21:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

i think it might be an ip problem with wikipedia because another ip is having the same problem. 74.110.226.150 21:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, that sounds plausible, since I'm not using an IP and I'm having no problems. Well, good luck finding an answer *sweatdrop* —Keakealani·?·!·@ 21:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

?

Do you want to join in Kastalia? Kastalia will be a group of wikipedians who have a goal: to make Wikipedia better. In fact, I think it may be simalar to Esperanza (I don't know how Esperanza is like so correct me if I'm wrong). For more information on Kastalia, click on the link above. Kamope · talk · contributions 12:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy Valentines Day!

I wish you and your family have a wonderful Valentines Day!

Kamope · talk · contributions 14:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern. I'm so new here I could not even figure out how to respond! Sorry. I am learning, though! —Preceding unsigned comment added by CurtisEdward (talk • contribs)

How? Sorry

How do I join Esperanza? Please reply on my talk page. Thank you! Kamope · talk · contributions 22:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Sorry about that and the kastalia thing. Needless demands. I'm very, very sorry for my behavior back then. >Kamope< Talk · Sign Here 23:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, please add a nice image or quote to my quilt (it's on my userpage). Kamope · talk · contributions 01:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Double redirects

1 month ago you replied to my help request regarding Double Redirects.

Please Vote here: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8799 ;

Then the page will start to update again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:DoubleRedirects

thnx. --Parker007 05:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Speedies

What's a good guideline for deciding between db-nonsense, db-bio, db-spam, and db-corp. Cheers.

-- OverlordQ 07:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Usually it's pretty obvious, especially like db-spam. Often, though, multiple tags apply. If I feel that two equally apply and are relevant, (for example db-spam and db-copyvio) then I'll add both, one on top of the other. Otherwise, I usually try to make the decision for the one that's most relevant. Either way, if the article is so bad it needs ten tags, it will be deleted on sight regardless of what tag is used. If you're totally unsure, you can always use the generic {{db|reason}} tag. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 07:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your attempted help. I'm learning, slow but sure! CurtisEdward 02:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox templates

Hi there! I noticed after I tagged a page for speedy deletion that you asked the user not to remove the Sandbox heading when editing their, i thought it would be kind to tell you I recently created some templates for this:

What to type	Comments
{{uw-sandbox1}}	Level 1 warning
{{uw-sandbox2}}	Level 2 warning
{{uw-sandbox3}}	Level 3 warning
{{uw-sandbox4}}	Fourth and final warning
{{uw-sandbox stop}}	For writing bad thins or attacking Wikipedians/article subjects there etc.
{{uw-sandbox fairuse}}	For placing fair use images on it

Dont forget to subst' these and I hope you find them useful! Good work their and I hope you keep it up!! Tellyaddict 18:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for the tip ^^ —Keakealani·?·!·@ 01:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

ARGH!!@

Sorry, I didn't mean that! It's just, I can't control this new twinkle thing...Elfin341 01:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

for reverting my reverts —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elfin341 (talk • contribs) 01:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

It's okay, don't worry about it ^^; I guess I could have been a bit more civil, too. Thanks for understanding! —Keakealani·?·!·@ 23:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Unsigned comment by Dracula101

You have an article for BCC. CCES is a school. Whats not to write about. It's not finished. Explain. Now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dracula101 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

Elementary schools, according to WP:SCHOOL, are not generally considered sufficiently notable to warrant an article. Your article contained no context or assertion of notability. Additionally, the school fails most of the criteria for inclusion as it does not have noteworthy acheivement, important research in it, or a significant event associated with it. Thirdly, your article provided no reliable sources, thus violating Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. In conclusion, the article, in its previous form, had no justification for inclusion, and precedent dictates that the article should be deleted. Apparently the administrator who deleted it agreed with me. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 23:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Punahou School

Could you maybe give me a list of "things" to do for the article above? Maybe a WikiProject summary on the discussion page? I want to bring this article to at least "Good" status. Thank you so very much. Sr13 (T|C) 06:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, do I cite the school website as "Punahou" or "Punahou School"? Sr13 (T|C) 08:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Colloqially, the school is almost always referred to simply as "Punahou" but either is appropriate. I think for shorthand "Punahou" is fine and for longer/more complete citations "Punahou School" would be better. And yes, I'm slowly going through the article to see what I can do to help and/or suggest, but I'm a tad busy in the next couple of weeks and haven't had much time for Wikipedia recently >.<; Thanks for your help on the article, though ^^ —Keakealani·?·!·@ 00:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

cool

can you make me a sysop --Adasarathy 21:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me? Even if I did have that power, you cannot honestly expect me to "make you a sysop" because you asked, especially since you have little experience and no legitimate reason to be an admin. See this page for more details about the process of becoming an admin; however I strongly suggest you gain more experience, at least enough to know who can and cannot grant sysop priveleges. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 00:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Scouting in Hawaii

Can you please help render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Hawaiian? Mahalo! Chris 09:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I can try, but honestly I really don't know if I know enough Hawaiian. I'll ask around, though. Keakealani 07:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey!

Why did you do it?

The Angelic Demon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.253.48.1 (talk) 12:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. "It" is not a very specific pronoun, I'm afraid. If you wish to clarify your question, I would be happy to attempt an answer, but I would suggest that you make much more specific queries in the future. —Keakealani·?·!·@ 15:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)