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Page Archived

I have Archived my talk page. Please leave new comments below here. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 07:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome and those help pages! I'm still new to editing Wikis so I'll be sure and read them! I'll also start adding edit summary like you've asked. Thanks again! Vandreadstriker (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem, if you have any questions just ask :) --JetBlast (talk) 23:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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Edit Summaries

I am so sorry, I keep forgetting. Have a great day! Kairportflier (talk) 12:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Fleet

In the notes section of a fleet table, lets say retirements of an aircraft begin in august, can I put [retirements begin August 2012] or is that not with policy, thanks! Kairportflier (talk) 00:46, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at this --JetBlast (talk) 07:01, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Southwest Airlines

The recent edit you reverted does not really make sense. "AirTran cities to be converted to Southwest," you say "Please add them as they are converted" none of those destinations except for key west and Des moines are being converted right now, why did you add the rest? The list I put was then to remove each as it was fully converted. A full list of the unique cities airtran brought to southwest is available at Southwest Airlines destinations which is an extension off of SWA. I would appreciate some clarification of what you want to do and the differences of our thoughts. Thanks! Kairportflier (talk) 00:36, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Add each base to the SWA page as they are converted from AirTran to SWA. --JetBlast (talk) 12:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok, so just a question, why is CLT and RIC etc... all there when SWA has not announced service there (IK they did say they have an intent to)? Thanks! Kairportflier (talk) 15:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry i am not sure what you mean --JetBlast (talk) 16:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
On the list, there is CLT and RIC etc... but SWA has not announced service there, just an intent to serve. Kairportflier (talk) 16:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure, if SWA do not serve there remove it. --JetBlast (talk) 16:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Also... If you look here, why is Dulles listed as District of Columbia when it is actually Virginia? And while Reagan is not listed it is actually Virginia too. Thanks and this is all very appreciated. Kairportflier (talk) 16:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I am not sire i think the table is just an example. --JetBlast (talk) 16:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok, Thanks! Have a great day! Kairportflier (talk) 16:10, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Wright Endurances?

Hi JetBlast,

I just wanted to check something regarding your recent edit to First Manchester. You suggest in your edit summary that you see Volvo B10B / Wright Endurances in service daily.

Without wanting to sound cheeky... are you sure? The reason I say that is because a check on the DVLA website suggests that none of them actually remain licensed for use apart from the driver training ones!

Of course, it's not impossible that one or more examples could have been retrieved from the driver training fleet and reinstated to passenger service. However, the Volvo B10BLE with Wright Renown bodywork, plenty of which are still in use, is visually almost identical to the Endurance, so I wonder if these could be what you're seeing? From the outside, the easiest way to tell the difference is that the Endurances were M- or N-registered, whereas most of the Renowns are R- or S-registered. Internally, the Renown has a flat, step-free entry platform, whereas the Endurance has a step.

Best wishes, Quackdave (talk) 19:20, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave, I dont see them in active service as such. I work at a school and they are used for the school service. The others i see are new wright double decks and single decks. The ones i see are P reg i think. I am pretty sure there is a step when you get on. I might be wrong though. --JetBlast (talk) 20:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Ah, if they're P-reg, then they might be Crusaders, which are also the same shape, but about four feet shorter, and in the case of First Manchester's examples, the side windows have rounded corners. I was just curious, I wondered whether any of the Endurances might have made a comeback! Cheers, Quackdave (talk) 20:54, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
They all look the same to me, my apologies. Do you have any email or something, i was to ask something about Rossendale Transport, you might be the man. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 20:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, feel free - Special:EmailUser/Quackdave should work. Quackdave (talk) 21:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Help on the Garuda Indonesia article..

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Hey JetBlast,

I'm having some doubts with the Garuda Indonesia article. As you may already know, I've updated their 'Fleets' table with the sources I've added (59,60,61), but someone kept on adding the Boeing 737-400 into the list, despite the sources saying that they've all been stored or sold to other airlines. Garuda Indoensia itself have taken the 737-400 seats configuration off their site. The IP address suggested that the edits were done by different people but the edited content are always almost exactly the same, down to the sentence structure and words. (Please read these differences thoroughly) The said individual also wrote that the remaining 737-400, registered as PK-GWP, was serving the Pekanbaru-Batam & Padang-Medan route. I've checked the Garuda Indonesia booking site and both flights would have to stop at CGK first before departing for its' next destination. I Googled for PK-GWP and it seems that it was last spotted in CGK in 2009 while airf***s.net have PK-GWP's status as Stored. I've also Googled for Garuda's flight records of PKU-CGK-BTH & PDG-CGK-MES routes and they were served by Boeing 737-800s

Right now I'm not sure whether to edit it back and align with the sources or to leave it be. Some advice from you would be appreciated.

Thanks! -Vandreadstriker (talk) 15:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

The chances are it is the same person. They could be using a different internet connection. Also allot of home users public IP addresses do change from time to time. The links you provided are not credible sources to say that it is out of the fleet, but they are not providing anything to say the Boeing 734 is in the fleet. Based on the lack of sources i have reverted the edits. I have put a warning on all the talk pages of the IP addresses. I will monitor the page as well as you to see if it carries on and then take action. Does Indonesia have an online we can search? Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 15:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I think you forgot to add something on your last sentence there (after "Does Indonesia have an online") so I didn't quite catch what you meant. If you're talking about online aircraft database of Indonesian airlines, I don't think there are any 'official' database available. The Garuda Indonesia website itself seems to be redundant, but its undergoing some major redesigns and other updates so I think it's understandable. I'll try asking about this in here. It's basically the airlin**s.net of Indonesia and some of the members claims to be a staff in CGK. Maybe those members would have the answer but since it's an online forum and not an official statement, I don't suppose it would qualify as 'credible source', does it? Thanks -Vandreadstriker (talk) 15:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Hey JetBlast. Just a followup on the matter, a different IP address did the same thing again. I'm not sure I can do anything on my part so I'm hoping you would know what to do. Also, I did ask about those 734s in the forum as I mentioned, and the reply I got was that it seems they've all been phased out (This is the thread. You should be able to use Google Translate but if you've any problem, just tell me). But I understand this wouldn't really qualify as a verifiable source so I'm not sure what to do. Thanks! Vandreadstriker (talk) 07:49, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi. What i would do is bring it to the attention of an admin MilborneOne would be a good one as he is into aviation. I would basically say that different IP's keep adding this single aircraft with no source to back it up. After reverting the different IP's keep adding it back. Then tell them all IP's have had warnings about this on the talk pages. He might edit protect the page to stop it from happening. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 11:21, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I've written about this matter on MilborneOne's talk page like you said. I hope you don't mind that I quoted this conversation of ours in his talk page to help explain the matter at hand. Thanks for all your help JetBlast! Really appreciate it! -Vandreadstriker (talk) 14:23, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Looks like the page has been protected IP addresses shouldn't be able to edit now. Good work :-) --JetBlast (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Yeah so it seems :). Thank you for all your help JetBlast! Cheers! -Vandreadstriker (talk) 02:00, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion declined: File:Tesco plc logo.gif

Hello JetBlast. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of File:Tesco plc logo.gif, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not the same image, so it doesn't qualify under CSD F1. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:28, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 08:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh In Colour

Thanks for your continued expansion of the Oh In Colour article. I appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by !MNc99 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem! --JetBlast (talk) 18:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

China Airlines

Please doublecheck yourself... China Airlines does not codeshare with Lufthansa or Air Canada. You should reconsider about your decision of reverting my changes. Make it stay as it was because it was correct until someone changed it, constantly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xhruenx (talk • contribs) 08:51, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

It was reverted becuase you didnt use an edit summary! --JetBlast (talk) 12:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Southwest Airlines Fleet History

At Southwest Airlines, you edited Southwest Airlines Fleet History chart with the 727 first. If we order it by date order which I absolutely agree with, while it is going by year, the 737-200 was before 727-200 and whether that is shown or not its a fact so 737-200 first is factually correct. Kairportflier (talk) 16:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

The table shows the 727 coming the same year as the 737. They come at the same time. So we should then revert to either departure date or the aircraft type for the ordering. Both of these would make the 727 come first. --JetBlast (talk) 16:22, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Works for me, thanks for the clarification, have a great day! Kairportflier (talk) 16:28, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Do you know what I mean, and do you agree? Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 16:36, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I just thought the 737-200 was the first swa aircraft, my bad. Kairportflier (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
It might have been, i am just going off whats already in the table. --JetBlast (talk) 23:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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AirTran HQ

Not sure if you know but... Is AirTran still headquartered in Orlando or have they fully transitioned to Dallas, Thanks! Kairportflier (talk) 16:43, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I think they are still in Orlando, they are still 2 separate airlines, some people are jumping the gun and merging them together. But we will need a source to back this up. --JetBlast (talk) 16:44, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Well I know atleast 75% of the HQ is in Dallas just don't know if the rest finally moved. I have no source other then the Earnings Call, should we put dallas and orlando? I am in the process of fixing some AirTran stuff up. Kairportflier (talk) 16:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I am probably wrong then, in all honesty i dont really bother with the American based airlines. --JetBlast (talk) 16:52, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, Thanks anyway. Kairportflier (talk) 16:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Use of poor English

You are invited to improve my English instead of removing the entire sourced paragraph. Or is the idea of editing a concept too complex for you? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 18:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

For one there is no need to be rude. This isn't an easy task from an iPhone, this is why i haven't done it. --JetBlast (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
How can I possibly know that you undo entire edits instead of changing them because you are running around with your iPhone? I am not rude, I am just amazed at your pretentiousness. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Your rude and sarcastic, you are not welcome to post on my talk page. --JetBlast (talk) 19:03, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

My Barnstar

Thank You very much! Kairportflier (talk) 13:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

No probelm, your contributions are worth it :) --JetBlast (talk) 13:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Re; August 2012

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Public Swimming Pool Monthly Ticket Scheme (Hong Kong)

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If you review the AFD, you will see the cleanup work that another editor completed on your behalf. When an article is moved, please be more careful and follow through with moving the AFD and completing the process. Please note that the article creator has not received notification that the article referenced above is submitted for deletion, contrary to the AFD deletion process. You may want to complete that step. Thanks, Cindy(talk to me) 16:53, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

I completed everything correctly (using twinkle) on the original page. The user did get a notification when i tagged the original page name (Public Swimming Pool Monthly Ticket Scheme). Please check the users talk page. I cannot help it that someone moved the page and messing up the other stuff. --JetBlast (talk) 16:55, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
I understand that it can be frustrating when these things happen. That said, we remain responsible to make sure the process is completed accurately. Regardless of whether or not the editor received a notice for the previous article, he should have received one for the correct article. This caused quite a bit of confusion for the new editor, which could have been avoided by simply following the established process. In cases such as these, when others mess things up, it is not an excuse to just dismiss following through on your intentions. These things can be helped. My reminder to you in this regard was simply a heads up, since lacking the completion of the AFD process, the AFD discussion page would likely have been closed. Cindy(talk to me) 17:21, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Well i how am i supposed to know someone would move the page and for all this to happen? I completed everything correctly at the time and he got the correct notification. It was only after this someone moved the page. As i say everything was all in order at the time. When i was sticking the tag on the original page i had no idea it would later be moved. --JetBlast (talk) 17:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
It was an edit conflict, but not an excuse not to check your work and move on blindly to the next item on the list of Wikipedia things to do. The initial notice that I placed on your talkpage was a friendly reminder, which you chose to ignore, leaving the mess for someone else to cleanup. It's not the end of the world. Just double check your work, okay? It is important to make sure these things are done accurately and completely. If you ever have questions with edit conflicts or whatever else, feel free to contact me anytime. Cindy(talk to me) 17:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
I assumed (wrongly) you would fix it for me, as you saw it. I would have done it for you. Anyway would have also have thought the author would have known he moved his own article.... --JetBlast (talk) 18:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
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Authors blanked CSD tagged pages

If an author blanks a page, the nice thing to do is to just retag it as a G7, rather than push back and forth. As a plus, G7s are basically always successful (and easier for an admin to evaluate). WilyD 09:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Gca logo.jpg

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Cloudbound (talk) 00:38, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: David Fhima

Hello JetBlast. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of David Fhima, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Hi there - I was actually in the process of updating the article when you tagged it ... upon searching, I've found multiple reliable sources and mentions in different publications regarding their work. While the article certainly isn't perfect, it still satisfies WP:A7, at least now. Thank you. Theo polisme 20:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry i didnt mean to tag that one, i must have closed the wrong article. Sorry --JetBlast (talk) 20:50, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
If it was just a technical error, no worries. Happy editing! Theo polisme 20:53, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing all that for me, my first time adding a photo... Thanks! Kairportflier (talk) 21:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

No worries, this one is transparent so slightly better. --JetBlast (talk) 21:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I have no objections of you deleting the one I uploaded. Kairportflier (talk) 21:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you propose this for deletion as well as it is not being used and is simply incorrect. Kairportflier (talk) 01:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

JetBlue no longer has AIRWAYS on it, is there any way you can remove the airways part of the logo and keep the JetBlue, Thanks! Kairportflier (talk) 22:09, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, to do it you need to use something like Adobe Illustrator or Inkscape (free) with it being a vector. I have just cropped it and uploaded a new version. You may need to clear the cache in your browser. --JetBlast (talk) 22:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Very good info, Thanks so much! Kairportflier (talk) 22:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
If the image is a raster (PNG, JPG, GIF format) you can use something like Paint.NET or GIMP. Both free. --JetBlast (talk) 22:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Eye poke

Your use of A10 seems inappropriate as that speedy states, "This does not include ... any article that expands or reorganizes an existing one or that contains referenced, mergeable material. ... This deletion rationale should only be used rarely. In the vast majority of duplicate articles, the title used is a plausible misspelling or alternate name for the main article, and a redirect should be created instead. This criterion should only be used if its title could be speedy deleted as a redirect."

Your action also seems contrary to WP:DTTR. Please revert. Warden (talk) 21:54, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

ATI Flight 460

That article was probably written by Ryan Kirkpatrick, a banned user. It has his trademark bad spelling....William 22:25, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I really don't think i should be deleted. It is poorly written, but it notable and is worthy for Wikipedia. --JetBlast (talk) 22:28, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Other than the infobox and categories section, the article may have been a poster child for WP:NUKEANDPAVE. It was a mess. Badly spelled with a mess of a disaster of a references section, and the cause having no source. ASN doesn't say why this accident happened, so where did Ryan's information come from?

I've resurrected three articles of Ryan's socks. If you want to do this article, just ask an administrator like The Bushranger for a copy, and then fix it up. Speaking for myself, I just didn't have the time for fixing up Ryan's work. It would take me at least an hour of hard work, and the crash just doesn't interest me.(It is noteworthy enough for an article though) I've created nearly 40 crash articles. They take me a minimum of 60-90 minutes work each, and if something doesn't me, it is hard to get motivated....William 00:50, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I own an iPad

So how can I be "anti-iPad"? I just like being fair and balanced in letting readers know other things exist too, is that so wrong? Have a nice day :) Cadiomals (talk) 20:41, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Just that removing the 2 iPad images to me seems a little odd. --JetBlast (talk) 22:24, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

eaglexpress deletion

thanks for the opposing this articles deletion, I wonder what the issue is, its not making sense, this editor is wanting this airline to be non existent on wikipedia and appear in red when listed in other categories such at 747 operators, airlines of malaysia, airlines of asia etc. very odd behaviour on his part, lets see if other editors also oppose deletion would be very strange if they agree to its removal. inspector (talk) 20:15, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

My KLM edit

I saw that you reverted my edit in KLM in the fleet section. Prior to my edit, it said that 23 787-9 aircraft were on order. But then I changed the number to 25 because Air France-KLM is buying 25 aircraft. So why did you change it back to 23? I'm sure you had a good reason why you did that so can you please tell me it? Did they decrease the order to 23 or is it another reason?72.89.35.142 (talk) 00:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I did it becuase you didnt explain your edits. There have been many IP editors on here chaning figures to disrupt wikipedia. --JetBlast (talk) 07:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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created by me mistakely so it will be deleted for sure. ---zeeyanketu talk to me 19:17, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I assumed so, if you blank the page it will be easier for admins to delete. --JetBlast (talk) 19:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

B777

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Hi there, wouldn't it be B777-300ER or the reader could misinterpet as something else like the 'Robot 777', 'Computer 777'. Please revert it if it is wrong. Thank you and have a good day! Qantasplanes (talk) 12:42, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

No it is not a B777 never is if you can find on the Boeing website it being called a B777 please do tell me. --JetBlast (talk) 13:01, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Ummm? What? Qantasplanes (talk) 13:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC) ;
As i said before the modal isnt a B7x7 like we call a Airbus A3XX. Please can you provide a source from boeing to show i am wrong? --JetBlast (talk) 13:05, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Are you trying to hide your mistake? I never said it wasn't a 'B777' or 'Boeing 777', I said it wasn't suppose to be a '777' on itself. You've just gotten me in a spin. Thank you. Qantasplanes (talk) 13:12, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I made no mistake, your are just being awkward. We all know what its talking about, it refers to it as the Boeing 777 many times previous. Its not a B777 it never is, you calling it that has just put errors into the article. --JetBlast (talk) 13:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Are you calling me awkward, grow up! And to cover your mistake you've edited the article after my last comment. Thank you. Qantasplanes (talk) 13:26, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

As i say, i made no mistake, me reverting your edit was not incorrect. You was the one putting errors into the article and you don't like being proven wrong. --JetBlast (talk) 13:28, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Stop accusing people and acting like a kid. No, you just don't want to admit it. I am sick of this already. Seriously Qantasplanes (talk) 13:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
If your sick of it stop posting on my page like you said you would before? Are you saying that the official modal for the aircraft is B777? Your the one who doesn't like me pointing out that you put errors into the article. --JetBlast (talk) 13:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
And it goes on... Qantasplanes (talk) 13:38, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
It does go on, you just seem to ignore the fact that you put errors into an article. If you don't like, stay away from my talk page. --JetBlast (talk) 13:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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Your proposed speedy deletion of template:Dimanalysis

Give me a chance!! I just started it now and it will be a real template to remove monotonous typing of dimensions for physical quantities!! I have responded (obviously!) to the speedy deletion on the talk page. Maschen (talk) 13:18, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I have removed it, you should draft things in your user space first before making them live. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 13:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Ok thanks, usually I do but this was expected to be trivial. Maschen (talk) 13:22, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
No problem i assumed it was test as originally there was nothing really there. Sorry about that. --JetBlast (talk) 13:26, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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