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Proposed deletion of List of Intrastate U.S. Highways

The article List of Intrastate U.S. Highways has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Not really a notable topic for its own list. These examples could be handled by a footnote or notes in the main list table. Unlike the analogous list of Interstates, there is no "element of surprise" about the fact that these US Highways do not cross state lines.

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List of Intrastate U.S. Highways

Hi Greggens: As it appears that you are new to Wikipedia, please don't be discouraged about your new article being nominated for deletion. Personally, I feel that the article is an improvement to the encyclopedia. Regardless, the Articles for deletion process can be viewed as part of the system of checks and balances on Wikipedia. Please continue contributing to the encyclopedia, and welcome to Wikipedia! NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Iowa 370

Why did you move Iowa Highway 370 to County Road H10? I have some reservations about the title, but I'd like to hear your reasons why. –Fredddie™ 01:25, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Another editor (Mitchazenia) had previously reverted the page move, and Fredddie had already asked to start a discussion. The better course of action, and the one recommended by WP:BRD, would have been to discuss the situation before re-moving the page. Let us start again at that point. Curious minds want to know your reasoning, and maybe we can come to a mutually satisfactory agreement on what to do next? Imzadi 1979 → 04:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I had not yet finished "moving" the page when it was reverted back to its old state. You see, when moving the page, I also had to change some of the content to reflect the move, since the main focus of the article had obviously changed. I tested everything to make sure that the Infobox would show up properly, and I included the content of the old article in the new one while also allowing an automatic redirect. I also made sure that all the links still worked properly (it's not as if any link leads back to itself, or anything). Anyway, I figured that the article should reflect the new designation of the road, while including the past history of the highway, as well.--Greggens (talk) 05:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Just to let you know, it's incredibly rude to change a user's signature. Please, never do that again. Imzadi 1979 → 05:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Just for the record, right now common expectations is that highways use former designations. Consensus can change of course, but stop moving the page please. Mitch32^{(I have seen great intolerance shown in support of tolerance)} 05:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

@Greggens: the page shouldn't have been re-moved once someone objected. You could have started a Draft:County Road H10 (Iowa) to sandbox what your proposed article would have looked like, but once someone objected, all efforts on the actual article to changing it should have ceased, and instead you should have immediately turned to discussion.

There is a precedent to moving a former highway to a title matching the county road that replaced it. M-171 (Michigan highway) redirects to F-41 (Michigan county highway), and M-135 (Michigan highway) redirects to H-33 (Michigan county highway). However, M-122 (Michigan highway), and most of the rest of the former highways in Michigan, do not redirect to other titles. In the case of F-41 and H-33, they'd have separate articles anyway because county-designated highways like those two have separate articles. Other county roads or city/village streets in Michigan have no such presumption working in their favor, so the former state highway designations "trump" the new names.

Since Iowa doesn't do articles on county roads for the most part, I'm inclined to leave it at the original title and just note the CR number that replaced it. Imzadi 1979 → 05:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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Re: List of United States Numbered Highways‎‎

List of United States Numbered Highways‎‎ is a national list of articles. The links need to be "U.S. Route X" not "U.S. Route X in <state>".

Now, states like Michigan have had their Lua modules customized so that certain numbers link to the national version instead of a state-specific version. Module:Road data/strings/USA/MI is set up so that |state=MI |type=US |route=8 will only link to "U.S. Route 8" because "U.S. Route 8 in Michigan" is just a redirect. Other states need to be set up that way in the future, bypassing the redirects so that List of United States Numbered Highways‎‎ will only link to other national articles if we invoke a state-specific call to get customized markers. I recoded California the other day, which is why the CA-specific markers link to the national-style links.

Additionally though, you were using state-specific links/markers in case where the highway crosses a state line. That's not going to be acceptable because the state name on the marker will only correspond to one of the two states for that highway, ignoring the other one. We've made 1926-style markers without the state name in the past, and we can do so again so that when |country=USA |type=US 1926 is used, it's state-agnostic. There is a version of the US Highway shield for use in 1948 in junction assemblies that was always state-agnostic; that marker has a full set 1-999 so 1948 isn't an issue on the graphics side. US 48 has one of those. However, for 1926, we'll need to create some markers. US 17-1 has such an example. You'll know which ones are needed if you leave |country=USA in place because the markers will be missing. Then you can give me a list, and I'll have them created and uploaded. Imzadi 1979 → 07:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Page moves

Why did you move I-480 and I-680? I-680 is a Good Article, so moving the page without discussion is controversial. –Fredddie™ 12:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that you can't just copy and paste the contents of one article to replace a redirect to change the page title. Doing that breaks the article history completely, and that's a major problem. Imzadi 1979 → 12:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Had these copy/paste page moves not been reverted, You'd have wiped out the contribution history of everyone else who edited those articles. Take for instance, the page history of "Interstate 480 (Nebraska–Iowa)". According to that, the only people who had edited that article before the revert were: SPUI, a bot and yourself. In actuality, Fredddie, myself, Cg41386, Dough4872, TCN7JM, BD2412, etc all edited the actual "Interstate 480 (Iowa–Nebraska)" article.

There are proper ways to move an article, and if there is a redirect that's getting in the way of a proper page move, there is a Criterion for Speedy Deletion in the list at WP:CSD to use to get the redirect deleted so that the page can be moved. Or, you can open a Requested Move (WP:RM) discussion on the article's talk page to solicit discussion, and when it's appropriate, the closing admin will do all of the necessary work to move the page, thus renaming its title. Imzadi 1979 → 18:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Originally, when I tried to move the page, per WP:IH, it wouldn't let me, because of the re-direct issue you mentioned. Then, when I did a workaround to solve this, I realized, after I was done, that the title should have had an "en dash" (–) instead of a regular dash (-). It was all a misunderstanding, but the page should still be renamed to conform to WP:IH standards. Greggens (talk) 08:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

NEVER copy and paste an article to move it though. NEVER. There are some legal implications concerning technicalities of the CC-BY-SA license and copyright law. The move for the en dash doesn't matter. It was the copy and paste move that broke policy and created the mess. Imzadi 1979 → 08:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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A tip for the next article you create through AfC: don't add categories to the draft page. The AfC Helper script used by AfC reviewers will prompt to add the categories, and if there are some present, you can get things doubled up. Also, drafts shouldn't be categorized as if they are live articles. If the draft isn't accepted and never moved, we shouldn't have readers looking at the categories thinking that a draft is a published article.

When categorizing things, we go with the most specific categories. Category:Roads in California contains Category:County routes‎ in California as one of its subcategories, so if that one fits, the first one should not be used. Imzadi 1979 → 10:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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You deleted the interstates from this template indicating that they existed on another Template, can you please tell me which one that is?Naraht (talk) 14:38, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

At the time, there was a template called "Washington metropolitan area roads." It was subsequently deleted because it was considered redundant, due to the presence of a Wikipedia category that achieved the same function. For more info, see: Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2015_September_18#Template:Washington_metropolitan_area_roads. Greggens (talk) 20:59, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Based on that deletion, are you OK, with readdition to this template?Naraht (talk) 01:18, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

There's no reason to add it back, since all the info is covered by the category. So no. Greggens (talk) 02:29, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Which Category? District of Columbia Route 295 is in two categories, Category:Routes in Washington, D.C. which is functionally empty (has the list and membership of two redirects) and Category:Streets in Washington, D.C. which has most of the other members of the template.Naraht (talk) 15:21, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

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Singer and songwriter vs singer-songwriter

I noticed an edit to the Amy Grant article that you made. You changed "Singer, songwriter" to "Singer-songwriter". The latter is a genre, not an occupation. If fixed that so you don't have to worry about changing it. The rest of the change was good, except for moving the bibliography before her music section. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:20, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

The version that I was editing showed no comma between "Singer" and "songwriter" in the infobox. So naturally, I thought that it was supposed to read "Singer-songwriter," which some people do use to describe their occupation. But if it was intended to be "Singer, songwriter" all along, then we'll go with that. Greggens (talk) 00:45, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

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Jared Fogle

Hi, Greggens! I have a few things to say about Jared Fogle:

• 1. His residence should be the prison because he is currently under confinement and will remain so for a long time
• 2. The federal court system does not issue parole for people sentenced after 1987. Fogle may get out early if he has "good time" or time off for good behavior.

WhisperToMe (talk) 01:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

• See page 2 (6 of 87 in the PDF): https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/uspc/legacy/2009/10/07/history.pdf : "Defendants sentenced for offenses committed on or after November 1, 1987 serve determinate terms under the sentencing guidelines and are not eligible for parole consideration." WhisperToMe (talk) 14:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Fogle is not in the military though. I know in prison lingo a "civilian" is someone who is not a prisoner nor a prison guard, but I think in his case this is his civilian life. While this isn't applicable to Fogle per se, when people have long sentences, especially when it's life/LWOP/death, they pretty much are living in the prison. As those types get older they lose family/etc so they have no more connections on the outside. WhisperToMe (talk) 09:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I wonder where the venue is to discuss something like this. It is true that Fogle still has family and can still maintain a "legal address" where his parents are, but I view "residence" as being where he actually lives. Maybe Wikipedia:WikiProject Biographies? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:50, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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Interstate 495 (Delaware)

I just wanted to let you know that Interstate 495 (Delaware) technically does not enter the state of Pennsylvania. The ramp from southbound I-95 to southbound I-495 at the state line is known as State Route 8009 in Pennsylvania (see the SLD). According to all other sources including the FHWA route log I-495 is entirely located in Delaware. Dough4872 02:07, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

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Changes to the exit list should include references in the article that identify the changes, especially on a route change. So if US 17 did reroute in Wilmington, the history section should have that information with references when it was done (NCDOT route change documentation or Newspaper article would help here). Also, please confirm if mileage throughout the route changed or not. The method used with east-west directional signs is to say East end or West end when entering the route, not convert them into north-south routes when merged with US 17; we also do not incorporate Truck routes in the exit list, they are not official routes in the state or with AASHTO. This is my full detail explanation why I reverted two edits on the article, hope that helps. --WashuOtaku (talk) 10:33, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

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About adding the module to the FUR: no, no, a million times NO. It's obvious that you don't understand fair-use policy, and that will not work under the policy. In short, a copyright-protected highway marker can only appear in the infobox of the specific article about that highway, and nowhere else. Any other use will run afoul of fair-use policy and copyright rules. Imzadi 1979 → 23:49, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Actually, I understand fair-use policy very well. What I don't understand is why Wikipedia is so restrictive on where fair-use images can or cannot be used. After all, fair use is fair use. Greggens (talk) 00:00, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Our policy is more restrictive than what US copyright law might allow. Some language editions of Wikipedia have no fair-use media at all, even though they'd be allowed to use it under US law. The fact still remains that whether or not you agree with it, we have to abide by the English Wikipedia fair-use rules, and they don't allow us to display a copyright-protected highway marker on additional pages. We can only display it on the one article for identification purposes, or else even that wouldn't be allowed. Imzadi 1979 → 00:04, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

That's not entirely true. We can display the files on as many pages as are relevant to the file, so long as it's kept to a minimum. And even then, we'd have to have a FUR for each page on which it's used. In Mass Pike's case, that's one page. –Fredddie™ 00:08, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

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Arizona State Route 48

I nominated Arizona State Route 48 for deletion because of your edit summary saying that there are "no citations or news regarding SR 48". Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:46, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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Recreational Road abbreviation

TxDOT uses two-letter abbreviations. Looking at http://www.dot.state.tx.us/tpp/default.aspx you'll see they use "RE" for Recreational Roads, not "R". Imzadi 1979 → 19:54, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Imzadi1979, the OpenStreetMap Wiki stated that Rec. Roads in particular are to abbreviated "R" as opposed to "RE." That was the convention by which I was going. Greggens (talk) 20:03, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

It would be better to stick to the official TxDOT source, and not go off another wiki. Imzadi 1979 → 20:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, I might have been honestly mistaken, Imzadi1979. If that's the case, then we'll go back to the way it was. Greggens (talk) 20:11, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

OSM also uses "TX" instead of "SH" for state highways. They may have their reasons, and they may be valid for their uses, but they carry no weight for us when we're supposed to follow proper sources, not other wikis. Imzadi 1979 → 20:22, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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M-3 and Detroit–Windsor Tunnel

MDOT publishes the Truck Operator's Map, which shows the status of all state highways, signed or unsigned. It is important that the map accurately reflect the status of unsigned state trunklines because truck operators need to have permits from the correct agency when transporting oversize/over-width/over-length/over-height loads. Such permits need to come from MDOT for state highways, county road commissions for county roads, etc. According to the TOM for 2021, there is no state highway extending south of M-3 at Jefferson.

Turning to the Physical Reference Finder Application, it shows the locations of many roadways not under MDOT jurisdiction. State trunklines are identified by a control section number, and such number is a four- or five-digit number. The last three digits correspond to the specific control section with a county, while the first digit or two digits correspond to that county's position in the list of Michigan's 83 counties in alphabetical order. As Wayne County is the 82nd county in alphabetical order, CSs in the county start with 82. Numbers with more digits correspond to physical references, which may or may not be state highways. The control section for M-3 ends at Jefferson Avenue and does not extend southward.

In short, both sources used to determine if a particular roadway is a state highway agree: M-3 ends at Jefferson Avenue and does not connect to the tunnel. Imzadi 1979 → 05:12, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

The Little Mermaid casting

I understand why you deleted the large amount of information surrounding the polarized response of Halle Bailey being cast as Ariel. However, I do think we should at least give it some kind of mention. The article for the 2019 film Aladdin mentions the controversy when the producers cast Naomi Scott as Jasmine when she wasn't of Middle-Eastern heritage. Disney's Vice President of Multicultural Engagement, Julie Ann Crommett, also gave a reason to defend her casting. The film also received backlash for having a Caucasian actor Billy Magnussen playing a part in it. And1987 (talk) 16:08, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@And1987: Much of the controversy section in Aladdin probably shouldn't exist either, for precisely the same reasons. Just because other stuff exists doesn't mean that it should be replicated into similar stuff elsewhere (see WP:WHATABOUT). The Aladdin criticism that was reported by Inquisitr and Entertainment Weekly was based solely on comments made by a few Twitter users. Twitter is not representative of public opinion as a whole. The same holds true for The Little Mermaid. A few ne'er-do-wells on Twitter should not be given undue weight on Wikipedia simply because they say they don't like the idea of Halle Bailey playing the Little Mermaid. Those who object to Bailey are so small in number, that they shouldn't even be legitimized with a response from the media; if anything, they should be ignored. In fact, WP:UNDUE was designed for the very purpose of preventing fringe opinion groups from being mentioned on Wikipedia every time these fringe groups have something to say about something.

There is always going to be someone objecting to whatever Hollywood is producing at any given moment, and no movie, TV show, or play is immune to such criticism. But not every negative comment on Earth is worth mentioning in an article. At least there are some controversies in the Aladdin article that cite, as sources, BBC News and The Independent, both of whom actually based their stories on eyewitness testimony from Hollywood insiders. But the same can't be said about the Little Mermaid article—and incidentally, the response to Halle Bailey's casting certainly was not "polarizing" even in the least. No one working in Hollywood came out in defense of the Twitter jokers who bashed Bailey. There was no need for Disney to apologize for hiring her.

So unless there was something notable about the existence of this controversy (e.g., if there was an extraordinary way in which it was handled, or if the notoriety of people involved in it was a factor), there's really no reason to give it any weight at all. Greggens (talk) 23:45, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

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