User talk:Error/Archive 2003-2005

Archive page for User talk:Error covering 2003 through 2005.

If you wish to reply, do it in the live page.

Beginning

Hello there, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Wikipedia:Naming conventions or how to format them visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Village pump. Cheers! --maveric149

Good day, Error. Thanks for your suggestions made at Talk:Lamaism. I have moved the contents with appropriateness to Tibetan Buddhism. A link at the latter is available for the Vajrayana article. Be well. Usedbook 01:05 22 May 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Error! I've included your additions to Iberian Romance languages about Mozarabe in a new article with that name. Cheers! User:Marco Neves

---

Hi, just noticed your contributions to OS/2 and Sandinista. Nice to see you again (maybe you never went anywhere but I hadn't seen much of you lately). As you seem interested in and well-informed about Latin American topics, I wondered if you would care to look at two recent articles of mine: El Mozote massacre and Ben Linder. (No wish to bang my own drum; just that the new articles list so long these days... and I welcome a little feedback!) Regarding OS/2, I still run it on my desktop machine, so I am well-acquainted with the shortcomings of the single-input queue! -- Viajero 13:18, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Yes, I haven't had much time for editing recently. I have read the articles you mention and I doubt I have ever heard about those affairs. Sorry. -- Error 01:10, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

---

German colonization of the Americas

Back on June 8th, you added a link to European colonization of the Americas for the "failed German colony". No article has ever been written on this subject. I have tried but can't determine what you were referring to. I would help write it if you can get my an idea which group you meant. Rmhermen 19:28, Dec 23, 2003 (UTC)

From memory, during 16th century, the Fugger lenders had a tight grip on the Spanish monarchy. There was a plan to make the Fugger colonize today's Venezuela with German settlers, but they didn't last. -- Error 03:06, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

See if this looks right - German colonization of the Americas. I couldn't find any link to the Fuggers though- the Welsers, yes. The Fuggers did have links to Chile and mines there -did they set up a colony there? Rmhermen 16:06, Jan 6, 2004 (UTC)

It sounds like what I remembered. I probably used Fuggers instead of Welsers because those were the only German bankers whose name I can remember. Thank you. -- Error 01:42, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Berber

Hi Error. You've made some good edits to Berber - would you be willing to come and look over it? Arguing with someone who thinks he speaks English but doesn't - and is convinced that I'm engaged in some sort of campaign against his entire ethnic group to boot - is frankly maddening, and some third-party input on the state of the article would be great. - Mustafaa 23:08, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Negerhollands

A somewhat belated reply to your Negerhollands question on the Afrikaans talk page (q.v.), but nevertheless... Cwoyte 12:06, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Altamira

Hi Error, nice work on Altamira (cave); I look forward to reading about the Franco-Cantabric art too. adamsan 13:07, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Galizan

Nice entry on Galizan, very encyclopaediac. Very NPOV, in a content that is very contested. Please see the same problem in Portuguese language, I've altered to seem NPOV, but I think it needs more NPOV. I (myself) added info that seems POV. But considering "Galicia" a country is not to much? The best word wouldnt be Spanish Autonomous Region?--Pedro 10:41, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sabazios

Since you're convinced by the reference in Britannica, perhaps you'd give an explanation of what's referred to by "From Val. Max. i. 3, 2, it has been concluded that Sabazius was identified in ancient times..." etc. The original quote being referred to would do. Thank you. Wetman 01:10, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

SeeTalk:Sabazios#Sabaoth -- Error 01:33, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Gernikako Arbola

The tree is this pic is already oficially dead. In 2004's spring gardeners or Bizkaiko Aldundia declared it had died on 2003's summer. Shouldn't we mention it?--Erri4a 22:41, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Done -- Error 23:06, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Eusko Alkartasuna

Can you see my questions at Talk:Eusko Alkartasuna. I believe they both relate to passages you wrote last March. Thanks in advance. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:58, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

Y as an Unix command

Hi! Maybe you could answer my question at Talk:Y, as it was you who added the mentioned info. Thanks, Mormegil 19:46, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Basque article

Could you have a look at Idiazabal's latest comments in Talk:Basque? I've always found you to have a knowledgable, non-partisan view on Basque matters. I've heard Arana (and, more importantly, his mid-20th century PNV followers) criticized by Basque nationalists of my generation (I'm born in '54) for a racist view of Basque nationality. But I would not claim to be expert on any of this. I would much rather see you engage with him and work out what the article should say than to try to do so myself as an outsider. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:30, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

On this again: could you see my latest remark at Talk:Basque? Basically, I trust you on this, and as long as you are a participant in sorting out what we say on Arana, etc., I'm sure I'll be happy with the result. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:35, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

I'm trying to make sense of the materials Idiazabal has presented. It's heavy going. I'm a little uncertain of my understanding on certain points. See Image:Fuero.JPG, the first of several pages I have transcribed (and am attempting to translate). General review would be welcome, but in particular:

1. I need help on the meaning of "parte" in "...de las letras nasce verbo; é de los verbos, parte; é de la parte, razon..."
2. Could you let me know whether I am right to understand "Embargar non puede ninguna cosa las leyes que non hayan fuerza é el poder que habemos dicho, sino tres cosas..." as "Nothing can underlie the laws that have force among us and the power [of] which we have spoken except three things..."

Needless to say, this is all pretty archaic; is "...que non hayan fuerza..." really correct medieval Spanish, or is it a typo for "...que nos hayan fuerza..."?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give; feel free to edit my translation; if the easiest thing for you to do is to paraphrase in Spanish on the talk page rather than translate, that's fine; whatever is the easiest for you, I'm the one asking for help. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:00, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your help.

More of the same. Want to look in on Image:Fuero2.JPG and Image talk:Fuero2.JPG? 3 words and a phrase I think I pretty much understand, but am hesitant to translate. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:56, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks again. Image:Fuero3.JPG is ready for your review; there were two phrases where I'm shaky. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:35, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

Ditto for Image:Fuero4.JPG -- Jmabel | Talk 01:12, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Basque racism.

Were "Basques" the Madrid supporters that yesterday glorified the Spanish flag while making Spanish racism and xenofobia famous worldwide?

Or perhapps with a little bit "translation" of the Black Legend to the Basques it will be going to be covered as always?Idiazabal 13:58, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I don't watch football, but I have being wanting to start some section about Politics on Spanish football. If you want to write generically about racism in Spain, I direct you again to Politics of Spain. -- Error 23:32, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Carlism

I made a bunch of changes to the article. I suppose you'll be so nice to check it as usual. BTW, as "basque nationalism" seems to be one of your specialities, do you have references about the pace of implantation of the Jelkides before the war?

Uff, Google is your friend, but let me check:

Historia 16, nº 271, La creación de Sabino Arana, Ludger Mees, UPV-EHU.

Durante el primer decenio del siglo XX, el PNV ya había conseguido establecerse en la capital vizcaína y en algunos distritos electorales rurales como una fuerza plítica que competía por las mayorías. En la capital, el partido había tenido incluso dos veces alcalde nombrado por Real Orden. En las otras provincias menos movilizadas social y económicamente, el avance del movimiento fue mucho más pausado y lento. En Guipúzcoa aunque una norma interna del partido dictara lo contrario, los representantes nacionalistas tuvieron que recurrir a menudo a las alianzas con otros partidos (derechistas) para sacar adelante a sus candidatos. Así los primeros concejales nacionalistas de la capital donostiarra, elegidos en 1911, debieron sus escaños a la alianza electoral con los conservadores.

Summarizing: 1898: Arana is 1st PNVer in Biscayne Parl. Early nationalism was just Bilbao and Bermeo.[...] 900 members of Juventudes Vascas in Bilbao (1913). Pamplona and Vitoria got councilors from JEL during WWI. Same about Cortes (problems with money, lack of prestigious candidates and the reluctance of some about participating in Spanish institutions. In 1907 Pedro Anitua was the 1st PNV candidate to Cortes (for Bilbao). But De la Sota's moderates supported the monarchist tycoon Ybarra. 1915: 1st PNVer in Guipuzcoan parliament. 1917: a 2nd one; majority in Biscay parl. and Bilbao; 3 men in SS; 3 in Pamplona. 1918: Comunión sweeps Cortes in Biscay but for Indalecio Prieto; also acts in Bergara and Pamplona. 1919: Biscayne monarchists ally with PSOE: PNV loses Diputación. 1920: After elections and condemns, only one MP, Pamplona's Manuel Aranzadi.

During Primo, PNV was more repressed than CNV, which didn't lose their councillors. However, lots of cultural and hidden activity.

op.cit., Entre el Pacto de San Sebastián y el de Santoña (1930-1937), José Luis de la Granja Sainz, UPV-EHU:

1931: 6 MPs (with Carlism). 1932: 12 MPs. 1933: 9 MPs. Most extended party in BC: Over 25000 male members and near 30000 women in Emakume Abertzale Batzar. Hegemony in Biscayne countryside, majority (plurality?) in Guipuzcoa, minority in Alava, very weak in Navarre. Feb 1936: Extreme polarization and internal crisis: PNV loses 30,000 votes and 3 MPs, but still top Basque party: BC + Navarre: PNV 9 MPs, right 8, Popular Front: 7.

Is that enough? -- Error 00:21, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Would be interesting to check the teory of genealogical descent of the PNV from the Carlism --Wllacer 17:30, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I don't know if I have something clearly about that. Ramón de la Sota was a liberal fuerista, tough. -- Error 00:21, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Black Death

I'm trying to clean up the article Black Death and wondered if you had a reliable source for your addition about depopluation causing an increase in meat consumption. I can't find that fact anywhere. If you could clear that up it would be appreciated. CaseInPoint 18:35, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

ETA

Could you see my question at Talk:ETA#Paramilitary.2C_terrorists.2C_illegal_armed_group? -- Jmabel | Talk 02:01, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

The Humungous Image Tagging Project

Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

I'll have to think about that. I have a doubt about translations. And CC-SA seems not in the menu. I'll try to think about it later. --Error 02:32, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

There is a CC-sa license (See the list), however, it is a version 1.0 license which will probably not see much use in the future. While I can easily make a template banner for CC-sa or you could just add a quick note about it on your user page, it is unlikely that many other users would use the same license. The CC-by-sa is similar except that it requires that you receive credit for your work (which you can waive if you desire by simply adding a note that says "I waive the right to attribution for my contributions". The license itself provides for the special case where the author does not want to be attributed. For example:

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below. I waive the right to attribution for my contributions.

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

This essentially creates a CC-sa v.1.0 compatible license using the newer CC-by-sa v.2.0 license. Of course IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that's good enough to suit your purposes.

Now, about translations. Yes it is true that you might run the risk of someone incorrectly copying your contributions. But this could happen in any situation. It happens all the time that someone violates copyright and copies a GFDL incompatible text into Wikipedia. In that situation someone will have to just remove them if they use them in a manner inconsistent with your licensing scheme. The licensing banner does mention exclusions, which translations would be. Technically under the GFDL, when you perform a translation you must attribute its source, so if you are concerned about confusion, it is because the source was not properly attributed, which is also a licensing violation. When the source is attributed, it becomes quite clear what license is being used. Because of this fact, it is not the fault of CC-by-sa that the GFDL translation was not properly attributed, so don't let that stop you from multi-licensing.

All of this talk refers to textual (non-image) contributions. You may at your option include pictures, but by default it only refers to the text. – Ram-Man ^{(comment) (talk)}[[]] 13:59, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

I've added a copyright comment to the Pileated Woodpecker image jimfbleak 07:08, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Attila the Hun in Basque culture?

Hi, Jmabel writes on his user page that he trusts you with "everything basque". I have a very specific question.

The Hungarian version of Wikipedia claims that "the Basque consider Attila the Hun as their ancestor". I personally find this claim very hard to believe.

Is there a special place for Attila the Hun in Basque culture? Was there ever? Are there any good sources to verify this?

The Hungarian page mentions a book as a source, but there are no Google hits for it...

Thanks, Nyenyec 19:53, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't find such pages in the Hungarian Wikipedia, but then I don't read Hungarian. I have never heard about that. The mythical ancestor for Basques has been Tubal or Aitor, but not Attila. Anyway, every theory about the oridin of Basques acknowledges that they were around the Pyrenees by the time of the Roman conquest, centuries before Attila. --Error 02:05, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I see, hu:Baszk_nyelv. And the book would be by Fehér Mátyás Jenő: A Valtharius Manu Fortis című hősköltemény avar vontakozásai. If avar means Eurasian Avar, as far as I know there is no connection to Basques. --Error 02:57, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. You're correct, that's the book. But the source that quotes it references Atlantis, too. I guess I'll try to convince the editor to take it out, it seems dubious. Thanks for your time, I appreciate your help. I just found out that the same author also thinks that Jesus was a Parthian prince. Oh, well. Nyenyec 04:26, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Tagalog language:Na(monogenetic theory of pidgins)

How come you deleted your discussion about monogenetic theory of pidgins/Na? I think it is informative and useful. BTW, they use the word na here in Japanese , the same way as in Tagalog, e.g. Kirei na onna, beautiful (na) girl.--Jondel 04:07, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

barrio

barrio(Spanish), burrow, borough(Scots), burgh of Edinburgh/Pitsburgh, bourgeois (French) from bourg all seem to or have the same root.--Jondel 11:12, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

According to Joan Corominas, barrio comes from Arabic barr ("outskirts") or barri ("exterior"). He makes no mention of links to burg. I wonder if burg is related to Greek pyrgo- ("fortress") and Germanic berg ("mountain"). But I forgot how this discussion is related to some contribution of mine. --Error 00:52, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You removed barangay /barrio contribution to Spanish language from Tagalog. I hope this doesn't start a POV war. I'm not really to concerned. I am very currious about etymologies though. --Jondel 02:00, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that "barangay" is a Spanish word, at least outside of the Philippines. The scarce results that Google found were about some kind of catamaran. How is barangay related to barrio? --Error 01:58, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

We have both barrios and barangays in the Philippines, and they almost mean the same. My misunderstanding, sorry, I thought that what was removed was a statement saying that the word barrio came from the word barangay.I confused the two. 'Barrio' is more rural, 'barangay' tends to be more urban. Barangays supposedly meant boats meaning boats of people (the original boatpeople) coming from the neighbouring Malaysia/Indonesia.--Jondel 03:05, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Laca Gamos

Are you aware that these are not common Spanish surnames and that this "example" is but a childish play on words? Ejrrjs | What? 00:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It's no García, but I know people with the surname Laca, and I found some "Jose Gamos". It is a folk play. Can you suggest a better example of surnames that shouldn't mix? --Error 01:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'll try to find something more appropriate. Certainly, not Armando Esteban Quito or Sor Ethel. Ejrrjs | What? 23:09, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Main Hoon Na

Dear Error,

I notice that you added some info to the Main Hoon Na summary that basically told anyone who read the article how the movie was going to turn out. I'm going to ask you to reconsider. It seems to me that for current, "fluff" movies that are easily available on DVD/VCD, the summary is there to give prospective viewers a chance to decide whether or not they want to watch/rent the movie. Give just enough to orient the viewer (especially if the viewer is a foreigner exploring Bollywood movies) but not so much that it completely spoils the movie. I wouldn't do this for classic movies, but current ones, well, let's be friendly.

I could have just deleted your comment, but I don't think that would be collegial. You've taken a username, you want to be part of this community of volunteer editors, and you should be able to argue your case. So tell me why I'm wrong <g>. On the movie's talk page or my talk page, whatever.

Thanks for working on the Bollywood articles. Bollywood movies are now much much higher profile (outside India) than they were when I started exploring them a few years ago, and I'm sure that our work must be helping a lot of newbies get oriented. I sure could have used some help then! Zora 05:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

At Talk:Main Hoon Na --Error 22:28, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Abravanel

Looking good. Tomer ^TALK 00:11, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Nazi Architecture

Nazi architecture is quite Romanesque please to your research before blindly deleting references. Endurance 01:40, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

See Talk:Nazi architecture#Romanesque and Category:Nazi architecture#Romanesque. --Error 00:34, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Babel

I'd like to point you toward Wikipedia:Babel -- you seem to be a linguist, and this project helps us identify people who can deal with different languages. Thanks! Cleduc 20:43, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

regarding Image:GuernicaGernikara.jpg

Go ahead in liscence it, the other user was wrong in removing your notice, you DO hold the copyrights as the photographer, if it gets removed again, tell me and I will give a stern talking to the user that does. Regards! Sasquatch↔讲↔看 06:10, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Spanish argots

Hi Error. Over a year ago, you added a number of Spanish argots to the argot page ([1]). These articles have now been requested for over a year. Please let me know, via my talk page, where I might be able to find information on these argots, in order to create reasonable stubs for these jargons. I have not been able to find any information. Alternatively, please consider creating stub articles yourself. Thanks. Proto t c 11:39, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

See at Talk:Argot#Missing Spanish jargons.

--Error 16:34, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

"abbated"

In your recent edit at Basque people: there is no such word as "abbated", and I don't know what you meant to say. To "abate" (the closest word I can think of) is to decrease in magnitude, as in "the noise rapidly abated" or "hostilities continued, but eventually abated." It makes no sense here; could you pick a different word that expresses what you mean? -- Jmabel | Talk 20:48, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Desmochar. To remove the higher floors. I have substituted with raze, but that's too strong. --Error 23:40, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Translation assistance

I hope that you can help me. On this page[2] is a section of text that reads:
Artzai Txikiyak eman biaizkit
lau bat arrazoi fuertiak:
ire ardiyak nere soruan
eiten dituzten kaltiak,
iru lau aldiz eman zizkatek
punta berriyai kortiak...
itxiko dizkat zelaiko langak
eta zelaiko atiak!
I was wondering if you could translate this to English for me. I am specifically interested in the word "kortiak" at the end of the sixth line. Any help greatly appreciated. Vivafelis 20:12, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't see a relation to Wikipedia work. Anyhow, it could be a Hispanism for cortes, that means either "cuts" or one of several Spanish parliaments.

three or four times [give (an inflected form that I don't understand, they-to thee-them?)]

to the new points/tips Cortes/cuts...

I don't understand that dialect.

--Error 23:15, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Personal curiosity. It is a surname I have been researching and that is the first use of it as a word that I have run across. Thanks for the help. Vivafelis ^talk 00:17:51, 2005-09-12 (UTC)

Re: Neanderthal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ceejayoz#Neanderthal — ceejayoz ^★ 01:15, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Vote on name change

Please go to Talk: Isabella of Castile and vote on name change from Isabella to Isabel. Hopefully in favor, of course! 06:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Native American population article

Error, I reverted your edit. Sorry, but it did not seem to me to contribute to the article. Several of the points you raised had already been covered, and the Inca reference didn't seem germane to the section. This would probably be better discussed in whatever articles we have re the conquest of Peru. Zora 03:08, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Basque people

Could you look in at Talk:Basque_people#.22Issues_of_Persecution.22? You may be able to help sort some of this out. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:32, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Another question: in this edit, you give the summary "ETA doesn't care if they speak Basque". But isn't ETA's definition of Basque-ness (and that of left Basque nationalism generally) based on language rather than ancestry? (I think the passage reads fine either way, just asking.) -- Jmabel | Talk 19:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

The point was about "Basque speaking territories". ETA wants "territoriality" on the whole of the areas considered Basque (well, probably not over Rioja), including areas like the Navarrese Ribera where Basque has not been natively spoken in centuries (if not millennia). Please ack here that you have read the answer here. --Error 16:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Our forum

Welcome to the Romanian Wikipedia notice board! This page is a portal for all Romanian-related topics and a place for Romanian editors to gather and socialize and debate. Discussions are encouraged, in both English and Romanian. Post any inquiry under their relevant cathegory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Romanian_Wikipedian%27s_notice_board

--Anittas 18:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Hola

I may have acted rashly in removing your proverb from the Pederasty article, but first of all I could find no reference to it anywhere, either in Spanish or in English, and secondly, since I did not "get" it I could not help wondering whether it was a lark, so to speak. I placed your entry here, please back it up if you'd like to see it returned to the article. Haiduc 22:15, 27 December 2005 (UTC)