Talk:Toyota RAV4

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3.5L V6[edit]

Made several changes. The new 3.5L V6 is unique to North America, not being offered in other countries. Front wheel drive RAV4s are also mostly only sold in North America. I have added this info. I also changed the wording from "all wheel drive" to "four wheel drive", seeing as the former usually indicates permanent 4WD, something which the current model lacks (but previous models had). Davez621 10:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Difference between all wheel drive and 4wd is the presence/absence of a differential between the front and rear axles. A 4wd (without diff locks) will always turn at least two wheels while an all wheel drive possibly has power only going to one. 1.127.48.249, 23:18, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Which Platforms?[edit]

Does anyone know which platforms the various versions of the RAV-4 uses? It is my impression that the current versions are off of a Corolla platform. Any information appreciated.--TGC55 17:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that versions 1 and 2 were based on the Corolla but version 3 had a whole new Chassis.

I thought the 1st generation used a modified version of the Celica platform — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.37.165 (talk) 08:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Top image?[edit]

Why was the top image changed from a 4-door to a 2-door? If there's a need for a top image at all (and I'm not at all sure about that, since there are images of every generation already), it should be the most common variant. Jay Maynard 19:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Engine versions and locale[edit]

I may be wrong, but I believe that in the early 21st century only the 1.8l 2.0l and 2.2l cars were available in the UK, whereas only the 2.5l was available in the US, is that so? 15:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 51kwad (talk • contribs)

Section titles and platform codes[edit]

The current section titles for each generation are as follows:

  • First generation (XA1, 1994–2000)
  • Second generation (CA20W, 2001–2005)
  • Third generation (CA30W, 2005–present)

There are a number of problems with these titles. The XA1 uses only a single digit while CA20W and CA30W use two digits. The first generation does not have 'W' at the end, while the other two generations do have 'W' (which signifies Wagon). And the platform codes (XA, CA) are not quite consistent.

I will explain the platform code in more detail. Most Toyota fans know that the model code breaks down down as engine family (1 letter) + platform code (1 or 2 letters) + generation code (1 or 2 digits) + model within generation (1 digit). So, SXA10 breaks down as engine=S family+ platform=XA + gen-code=1 + sub-model=0. So now we know that the RAV4 platform code is XA. Knowing this and knowing that the ACA20 has a 1AZ engine, we can deduce that ACA20 is AZ + XA + 2 + 0 and that the Z+X combine to form a C. This is explained bit more at List of Toyota platforms, Talk:List of Toyota platforms and talk:Toyota Camry#Japanese only SV30/40 (look for Z+X=C). The same pattern for the ACA30 is AZ+XA + 3 + 0. For the ASA30 the pattern becomes AR+XA + 3 + 0 (R+X combine to form S).

Also, the years should be the calendar year it was introduced to the calendar year (inclusive) of its last month of production. So, if the XA10 was built from July 1994 to Aug 2001 (using faked months because I don't have them at hand), then the production years should be 1994-2001. this of course means that the end of one generation will be in the same calendar year as the start of the next generation.

Anyway, given the above, I would like to change the section titles to be:

  • XA10, 1994-2001
  • XA20, 2001-2005
  • XA30, 2005-present

We've done this for Toyota Camry. We've also split the Corolla articles up in a similar manner for E10, E20, ... E110 generations. Thoughts?  Stepho  (talk) 09:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

XA20 section title[edit]

"The second generation RAV4 went on sale in the middle of 2000" So why is the header 2001> ? That makes it impossible to have a 2000 model, even though it is perfectly possible, this needs changing. 81.137.240.118 (talk) 09:56, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. I have changed it to 2000-2005.  Stepho  (talk) 12:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

4th Generation?[edit]

why not let the edit about the 4th generation? http://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/2013-rav4/ http://www.fastmotoring.com/index.php/2012/11/all-new-4th-generation-toyota-rav4-set-for-global-debut/ --190.7.201.2 (talk) --Mijcofr (talk) 18:12, 25 September 2015 (UTC)15:10, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Knowing about upcoming information is good for blogs and news feeds but it can also be misleading. Toyota has given us a preview of it's best guess so far of what the new model will be but they may change their mind about many of its features and it's still unknown when it will start sales (they say early 2013 but dates often slip). In other words, it's still speculation - which is not what encyclopeadias report on.
Also, the references given so far are either short on details or obviously ad-copy written by Toyota.
Lastly, are you sure its actually a new generation (ie XA40 series) or just a facelift and engine change on the existing XA30 series?  Stepho  talk  00:39, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it seems is a new, thus, 4th generation,..."But don’t get the idea that this fourth-generation RAV4 is all style and no substance" http://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/rav4/, unless Toyota change their mind...--190.7.201.2 (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, but that's the crux of the problem. 'Seems' is the world of advertising, to convince you to spend your money. But encyclopaedias deal only with facts. Toyota will advertise its vehicles in the best possible light and one of the best ways to sell in the US is 'ALL NEW!!!' and lots of hyperbole for even the smallest change. It may well be a new model - but we won't really know until it comes out.  Stepho  talk  01:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You got all wrong, you didn´t even go to the link!. The word 'Seems' is mine, the words by Toyota are between "" . Please go to the link.--186.64.134.134 (talk) 02:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I did follow all your links but I did manage to miss the words '4th generation' both times it appeared. Perhaps because Toyota so often hype up every minor release. Also because of major confusion when the NWH11 Prius was claimed as a new generation after the NWH10 Prius (it was a bigger engine and very minor facelift). The rest is all advertising hype - never trust someone who wants your money. I'm still not comfortable with a product description that may change in any possible feature before the actual release and the release date is vague and may slip anyway. Much better to wait until actual production/sales start so that can deal with what is rather than what might be. Since this is more of a policy thing, perhaps we should take it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles.  Stepho  talk  01:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have started a policy level discussion Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles#Product pre-announcements. All interested editors are welcome to contribute.  Stepho  talk  00:50, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stop calling crossovers SUVs!!!!!!!!!![edit]

SUVs are shaped like trucks, and crossovers are shaped like cars.

Toyota RAV4 = crossover

Lexus RX = crossover

Mercedes-Benz M/GL-Class = crossover

BMW X3/X5 = crossover (like the X6)

Porsche Cayenne = crossover

Jeep Grand Cherokee = crossovers

SUVs are like Range Rovers, Tahoes, Expeditions, Hummers, G-Classes, etc., just sayin'! 166.137.191.22 (talk) 18:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yet all the examples you listed are shaped like scaled down trucks, sharing only their size with cars (and their underlying platform but you're only talking about shape/looks).
To my mind, an SUV is a large passenger vehicle with large under body clearance, large cargo capability and the ability to go off-road, although yuppie owners may rarely do so in fear of scratching the paint.
A compact or mini SUV is similar but smaller, retaining the under body clearance but scaling everything else down and still capable of going off-road.
A crossover is a different beast, retaining the looks of a SUV, the size of a car, the underpinnings of a car and generally sucks at going off-road. Early models could go off-road (4WD) but lately under body clearance has shrunk, 4WD has generally disappeared and they now look like tall station wagons with big wheels.
A mini crossover is an ordinary small car with jacked up suspension and some flares trying to look like a crossover, which is trying to look like a SUV - two times removed from the real thing but people buy them anyway. Sigh!  Stepho  talk  23:05, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Compact SUVs from the '80s, '90s and early 2000s are made of unibody, despite being shaped like trucks. One example is the Jeep Cherokee (XJ). The mid-size and full-size SUVs are made of body-on-frame, while those of unibody SUVs are actually called mid-size and full-size crossovers. Two examples are the newest generation Ford Explorer and Dodge Durango.
Today's compact SUVs are also crossovers. 166.137.191.30 (talk) 18:20, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

XA40 towing capacity[edit]

There seems to be confusion about the XA40 towing capacity. I've found references for both 1750 kg and 1750 lb

Perhaps this a regulatory thing where the US gov is just a lot fussier, or perhaps the UK has extra bracing, etc to handle the load or perhaps just a typo in the initial press pack for one of the countries (that every other media release copied).  Stepho  talk  22:55, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

US defaults to without trailer brakes in these ratings, rating is higher with them - signed 1.127.48.249, 23:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that makes sense. I will have to think how to reword the article so that it doesn't become an edit war between US and UK editors.  Stepho  talk  01:53, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Replacement by the C-HR in Japan[edit]

I know that on the Japanese Wikipedia article トヨタ・RAV4 that the Toyota RAV4 in Japan will be replaced by the Toyota C-HR, along with the Toyota ist. signed by 140.0.79.45, 28 November 2016

The Japanese WP page has no supporting references to back this up.  Stepho  talk  05:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have already accessed its references for replacement by the C-HR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.0.79.45 (talk) 05:56, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately there are problems with that reference. For starters, it is based on the concept C-HR, not the production C-HR. Secondly, the reference talks about the US market but it is attempting to support changes in the Japanese market. Thirdly, appearing at the same time that another model disappears is not the same thing as being the successor (different market segments, price levels, target audience, etc). But most important of all, the reference is only an opinion piece. WP:NEWSORG (part of WP:RS) frowns on editorials and opinion pieces.  Stepho  talk  13:15, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 May 2017[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Closed – I am the same user who requested the move, and I did not previously realize that RAV standed for "Recreational Active Vehicle with 4-wheel drive". Plus I realized this move would have probably been rejected anyway, so thank you for clarifying that, Stepho-wrs. However, if you come across this, I would appreciate if you redirected Toyota Rav4 EV to Toyota RAV4 EV. (non-admin closure) 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:7826:84D0:EC02:DBB7 (talk) 20:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Done— InsertCleverPhraseHere 22:02, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

– After all this time, I don't understand why "RAV" is in all caps before the 4. When we refer to the car, we don't call it the "R.A.V. 4", we call it the "Rav 4". I realize "RAV" may be in all caps due to marketing and trademarking purposes, but I do not believe that should be the right way of referring to it. I will understand if you disagree, but please feel free to put down your opinions. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:8CEE:3111:23AE:6800 (talk) 16:16, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - Toyota is very consistent in using all caps for the RAV4 even when it uses lower-case for other vehicles. Even though most people pronounce it as a word, it was formed from the initials of "Recreational Active Vehicle with 4-wheel drive".  Stepho  talk  23:29, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Stepho-wrs. — InsertCleverPhraseHere 07:30, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Fifth gen model code[edit]

Carmaker1@ has found some clues that the fifth gen is XA50. From https://www.toyota-tech.eu/whatsNew.aspx we have AXAA52, AXAA54, AXAH52, AXAH54, MXAA52, MXAA54. Presumably the first letter (A or M) matches with the A25A or M20A engine. The last letter seems to be A for normal petrol engine or H for Hybrid petrol engine. So we have A/M XA A/H 5 2/4, where the 2 or 4 represents some other vehicle option. Note: registration at that website is free but actually downloading anything costs money.  Stepho  talk  11:58, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Short description[edit]

Revirvlkodlaku@ and myself have a disagreement about the short description. Pointing to WP:SD (I think he meant WP:SHORTDESC) he wants it to be as succinct as possible as "Motor vehicle". I thought that was too short and reverted it. Re-reading WP:SHORTDESC, I still think "Motor vehicle" is too short but that the existing "Compact crossover SUV manufactured by Toyota" can use some improvement. We have up to 40 characters to play with but need to keep it simple. Perhaps "Small SUV motor vehicle by Toyota".  Stepho  talk  15:29, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to reply the edit summary by Revirvlkodlaku that "Motor vehicle" is not a standard shortdesc for car models per se, but the default shortdesc for every article that contained the automobile infobox. As far as I know it is not an established standard nor it is the ideal form. Andra Febrian (talk) 15:33, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Stepho-wrs, I stand corrected (thanks to Andra Febrian). I assumed that "Motor vehicle" was the accepted short description (linked the wrong WP page, too! 😅). I think in the very least, "Toyota" should be omitted from the s/d, as it merely repeats what's already in the title. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How about simply “Compact crossover SUV”. Since Toyota RAV4 appears on the top line, adding “manufactured by Toyota” is redundant. RickyCourtney (talk) 19:58, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Time to split the generations ?[edit]

ToyotaAvalonFan2004 (talk · contribs) has jumped the gun a bit and tried to split out the XA40 generation to it's own article - along the same lines as Toyota Corolla has been split. This has merit but I'd like to do it in a co-ordinated fashion. The usual manner is to copy the text from here to what used to be the redirect for each generation, to leave a summary in here and to use {{main}} to point to the new generation articles. Care must be taken that references survive the move. Any objections ?  Stepho  talk  23:53, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I won't do this again. ToyotaAvalonFan2004 (talk) 00:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, it takes a while to learn all the ins and outs of Wikipedia. Keep doing what looks best and we'll help you as you need it.  Stepho  talk  00:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Stepho-wrs, there's no need for now to split the sections into separate articles since the details are still not many as of now. They can be split once there are too many details already in the article. VictorTorres2002 (talk) 00:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota RAV4 (XA50) and Wildlander[edit]

The Toyota RAV4 (XA50) was launched in China on 22 November 2019 by FAW Toyota, along with the Wildlander produced and sold by GAC Toyota. Mebius Herichon (talk) 03:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article already says "The fifth-generation RAV4 was also launched in China on 22 November 2019 at the Guangzhou International Motor Show. It is produced and sold by FAW Toyota. Another Chinese market variant with different front and rear fascias produced and sold by GAC Toyota is called the Toyota Wildlander (Chinese: 威兰达; pinyin: Wēilándá)."  Stepho  talk  04:35, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rear Driveline Disconnect[edit]

"The Rear Driveline Disconnect transmits driving force to rear wheels when 4WD driving is deemed unnecessary, reducing energy loss and improving fuel efficiency." It's word-for-word from the reference (also a copyvio issue) but it still doesn't makes sense, even after numerous re-readings. Is it trying to say that when 4WD isn't necessary then it swaps to RWD only (ie disconnects the front wheels)? I would have thought it would swap to FWD (ie disconnects the rear wheels).  Stepho  talk  06:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I actually caught that as well but I thought that's just because my English comprehension skills isn't advanced enough. I'll fix it sometime later. Andra Febrian (talk) 08:25, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota RAV4 (XA50) facelift[edit]

The Toyota RAV4 (XA50) facelift will be launched on 2023. Derwydd74 (talk) 10:34, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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