Talk:The Arctic Home in the Vedas

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Why is here not present any discussion of the pseudo-scientific nature of this work? Or is it so obvious that it is wrong in many respects, so that there is no need to discuss these points? Thanks, -Marc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.191.171 (talk) 6 october 2009 (UTC)

This is the only near-scientific work on vedas. All others are non-scintific directed by the British to prove everything Indian as inferior to west. It is said that the Queen of England had directed the British History writers to confine Indian History only upto Alexander and by any means not go beyond that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.110.28.226 (talk) 15:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

This book is full of stupidity and nothing but fools imagination

Aryan is just a linguistic term. There is no such thing as aryan race. For 600 years north india was under slavery of muslims and then british kept them as slaves. According to british entire India is a slave race. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.174.210 (talk) 05:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Humorous read

Haha, that was a humorous read, so the Aryans were wondering round the north pole and referencing River Indus and Saraswati thousands of miles away. not likely. And yes Aryan is a linguistic term for learned nobles indigenous to Indus Valley and the 30 or so sites found dating thousands of years before Max Mullers date of a so called Aryan Invasion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.174.210 (talk • contribs) 6 august 2011 (UTC)

What Tilak mentioned

The article says, "It propounded the theory that the North Pole was the original home of Aryans during pre-glacial period which they had to leave due to the ice deluge around 8000 B.C. and had to migrate to the Northern parts of Europe and Asia in search of lands for new settlements."

This is not correct and this is not what Tilak mentioned. Pre-glacial period in Northern Eurasia was around 18,000 BC. People residing there moved southwards at that time. There is no record of their wanderings till about 6,000 BC when they are inMoldavia/Ukraine region (Bug-Dniester culture). Around 12,000 BC the glaciers started retreating and some of the displaced people moved back northwards. Other people, however, continued in their wanderings.

Gimbutas time-line of Indo-European cultures: Bug-Dniester (6th millennium), Samara (5th millennium), Kvalynsk (5th millennium), Sredny Stog (mid-5th to mid-4th millennia), Dnieper-Donets (5th to 4th millennia), Usatovo culture (late 4th millennium), Maikop-Dereivka (mid-4th to mid-3rd millennia), Yamna (Pit Grave): This is itself a varied cultural horizon, spanning the entire Pontic-Caspian steppe from the mid-4th to the 3rd millennium BC. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis#Timeline)

Tilak may not have been correct at all time and what he said should be considered in the light of modern findings. Aupmanyav (talk) 13:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, as far as I'm aware the evidence boils down to Vedic passages mentioning that the Aryans originate in a country that was cold and had snow – which cannot be India. Now the conventional (and widely accepted) thinking in academia is that the Indo-Aryans originate in or around the highlands of Afghanistan (where the Nuristani people still speak languages that are patently Indo-Iranian but neither classifiable as Iranian nor Indo-Aryan; compare Airyanem Vaejah), and the ultimate origin of the Indo-Iranians is in what is now Central Russia, around the Middle Volga region, the Samara bend and the Ural Mountains, perhaps extending into Western Siberia, probably between 3000 and 2000 BC (confirmed by archaic Indo-Iranian loanwords in Uralic, which necessitate that Indo-Iranian came into being at least as far north as Kazakhstan; compare the Sintashta and Abashevo as well as the Fatyanovo–Balanovo culture for archaeological correlates). Linguistic and genetic evidence suggests a close relationship with the Baltic and Slavic peoples in particular (with the Middle Dnieper culture as a plausible archaeological correlate of the earliest Balto-Slavic). Even the archaeologist Colin Renfrew, who rejects the Kurgan hypothesis and the general steppe hypothesis, agrees that Indo-Iranian (just not Indo-European as a whole) originates in the east of Europe, in the steppe area. But if the Indo-Aryans come from what is now Afghanistan, and ultimately from what is now Russia, the references to cold and snow in the Vedas are easily explained without having to postulate a homeland in the Arctic. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 20:26, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Reviews

I see a number of stores selling it but have trouble finding independent reviews about the book. The influence section is a start as this could help to established the book's notability and perhaps find constructive criticism, but what's currently there is minimal. It makes me wonder if the book is notable. The article mostly needs rewriting based on independent sources. If those can't be found, the article could only become a stub, ultimately. —PaleoNeonate – 19:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Or a redirect to the author. Doug Weller talk 14:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, yes. While the author's article also needs work it at least has more information about his motivations and related revisionism... —PaleoNeonate – 06:12, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@PaleoNeonate: I just looked at the notes and the one source - they seem to be oddly used, I need to see if that's the way they were originally, I'll try Who Wrote That first. Doug Weller talk 10:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Google books not helping with restricted access, I couldn't really verify mentions of the currently cited book but could find the author in the index. I have access to another book on Hindu Nationalism that also mention the author but not The Arctic Home in the Vedas ([1]). In another source I see a mention of Tilak by an author who then says that his influence was modest (in an Antaios (magazine) article that may not be an ideal source and is old)... —PaleoNeonate – 22:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Zharnikova

Shnirelman, Archaeology, Russian Nationalism, and the "Arctic Homeland" in Selective Remembrances: Archaeology in the Construction, Commemoration, and Consecration of National Pasts, P. L. Kohl, M. Kozelsky, N. Ben-Yehuda (eds.), 2008, University of Chicago Press. Contains an exposition on the influance of the idea of an Arctic Homeland on some Russian researchers. See also http://www.knt.org.ru/Jarnikova%201.htm, a Russian site with links to related articles. See also Marek Zvelebil (1995), Indo-European origins and the agricultural transition in Europe", Whither Archaeology?: papers in honour of Evžen Neustupný. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Fatyanovo Z93

I think this article deserves a mention that the Fatyanovo culture turned out to be Z93. --95.24.70.23 (talk) 09:42, 9 May 2023 (UTC)