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Date	Process	Result
November 24, 2010	Peer review	Reviewed
January 25, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

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Update[edit]

The Octavia Hill Association in Philadelphia is a property management company that no longer has a charitable function. I updated the page to reflect the change. Their web site is http://www.octaviahill.com. 38.115.19.227 19:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong[edit]

She did not form the Army Cadet Force this is incorrect and needs changing.--Pandaplodder (talk) 13:58, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She also formed the South Walk cadet company in 1860 these two thing are the things that she is rememberd by the most so whoever posted this is wrong and needs to be informed that he is if you dont know what you are talking about then dont talk at all or look it up and get your facts right first! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.141.80 (talk) 12:04, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually Pandaplodder is correct. Octavia Hill did not form the Army Cadet Force. She was only 21 when the first units were forming, such as in Kirkcaldy, Fife which has the oldest and longest serving ACF unit (formed in 1859 and still active today). The cadet company you mention, Southwark, was a unit she helped in but one detachment and ACF does not make.Robert cowan (talk) 11:22, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited the legacy section to show that Hill lent her support to the ACF and not that the idea originated with her, which is a complete falsehood.Robert cowan (talk) 11:28, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Given that she didn't found the ACF, the section is irrelevant. Have removed. Tim riley talk 12:27, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The ACF website does however credit Octavia Hill as founding an independent Cadet Unit. "1889 Social reformer, Octavia Hill, formed London's first independent Cadet Battalion - the Southwark Cadet Company - in 1889. Octavia Hill felt strongly that the military context would socialise urban youths struggling for direction, and wrote that: "There is no organisation which I have found that influences the boys so powerfully for good as that of our cadets ... and if such ideals can be brought before the young lad before he gets in with a gang of loafers it may make all the difference to his life." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.252.6 (talk) 12:08, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sainthood[edit]

I have revised and expanded this article. For lack of supporting evidence I have omitted references to Hill's being a saint (as stated in an earlier revision) If interested parties wish to to reinstate them, please make sure the necessary WP citations are added. Tim riley (talk) 10:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Works of Octavia Hill will be Wikisource:Proofread of the Month at English Wikisource[edit]

With the 100th anniversary of Octavia Hill's anniversary coming up in August this year, English Wikisource is taking on the task of transcribing two of Hill's works; Our common land (and other short essays) and Homes of the London Poor in May. I am hoping that we will be able to feature them in August in commemoration. It would be great if we could look to get the article ship-shape and attempt for a Featured Text for the anniversary of her death date. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:03, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Octavia's Siblings[edit]

James Hill and his first wife Ann Jecks had three children:- Julia Hill (1819-1894), Frederick Hill (1820-1820) and Louisa Hill (1822-1842).

With his second wife (his first wife's sister) Eliza Jecks he had four children :- Margaret Hill (1827-1924), Alderman Arthur Hill (1829-?), Ida Eliza Hill (1830-1899) and Katherine Hill (1831-?).

With his third wife Caroline he had five children :- Miranda Hill (1836-1910), Gertrude Hill (1837-1923), Octavia Hill (1838-1912), Emily Southwood Hill (1840-1931) and Florence Hill ((1843-1935).

The reference is to 'Octavia Hill, holding and social reform', unless I have missed something nowhere does this state that Octavia was the eighth of nine children, it says that James Hill was looking for a governess for six children from his first two marriages (an early deceased baby doesn't need a governess).

James therefore appears to have had 12 children, this makes Octavia Hill the eighth girl out of twelve children. Presumably as only five survived to join Octavia's family, little Frederick has largely been forgotten about. Octavia would be her father's eighth daughter and tenth child, with her two younger sisters making up the dozen. When the bankruptcy forced them to leave Wisbech I dont think they all lived in a cottage in Finchley, Gertrude lived with Thomas Southwood Smith and the Jecks sisters children were split up. ODNB referee to them eventually settling in Finchley.

The Wisbech Society link does not appear to refer to the Property in Wisbech as a museum, it uses the term Octavia Hill's Birthplace House, although there is a reference to Octavia Hill Birthplace Museum Trust, for various reasons the trust chose to avoid the term museum in its name. Fenlandier (talk) 15:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Critic of Speenhamland? (Biography section, subsection Housing management)[edit]

It is mentioned she was a critic of outdoor poor relief and the Speemhamland system. I sense an anachronism here, as the system of outdoor relief was ended by the Poor Law Act of 1834 which was passed 4 years before she was born! If she left recorded statements about this, then it ought to be clarified for chronological context that the criticism would have been retrospective.Cloptonson (talk) 08:03, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]