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Greek[edit]

I heard on the news that once they pass the letter W on the naming system, the plan is to use the greek alphabet, e.g. Hurricane Alpha, Hurricane Beta. They also claimed that this has never been employed before: there have never been more than 21 storms that reached hurricane status in a given year. Can anyone else verify this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bryanmtmorrison (talk • contribs) 19:02, October 18, 2005 (UTC).

That is basically correct - there has never been more than 21 named storms in a year (we are tied with 1933 and that was back before naming started). There has never been more than 12 (not 21) hurricanes in a year, but a storm doesn't quite have to be a hurricane to get a name. You can find more details at tropical cyclone and 2005 Atlantic hurricane season.
Feel free to ask questions like this at Wikipedia:Reference desk, which might be faster. Welcome to Wikipedia! AySz88^-^ 00:19, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New Hurricane Center director[edit]

Since the Miami Herald broke the news, it's safe to include in here. Thegreatdr 05:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Time for an article on Mr. SRH then... – Chacor 05:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thegreatdr 02:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"face certain death"[edit]

The phrase "face certain death" is notable in hurricane warnings and should be included in some hurricane-related article. 1900 hurricane changed Galveston _ and forecasting says that the phrase is "built in to the NWS [National Weather Service] software" and has been used twice in recent memory, for Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and Hurricane Ike in 2008. I'm looking for thoughts on where to put mention this phrase. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finally slapped NPOV tag on article[edit]

The big problem with this article is that it overly focuses on 10 people who work at NHC (the hurricane specialists who work operationally 6 months a year) and almost completely ignores TAFB, which works around the clock through the year. This imbalance must be rectified before the NPOV tag is removed. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to be fair, even if this were an article on the Hurricane Specialist branch, it would still get a Start-Class tag. The article just sucks and needs a complete rewrite. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 22:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There should now be enough information about all of NHC to avoid the POV issue. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of names and article POV[edit]

For the sake of consistency, I need input on what to do with the list of names in this article. This article is extremely slanted towards the Hurricane Specialists Unit (HSU). The question is, to eliminate some of the POV, should we eliminate the names of the hurricane specialists or include the name of the TAFB forecasters? The TAFB product suite (effort-wise and time-wise throughout the year) dwarfs what the HSU does. If anything, we should have more information about TAFB than the HSU to have an article more reflective of their relative contributions. Thegreatdr (talk) 12:35, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how needed they are in general. The people vary from year to year. I think certain positions, such as the director (and I don't know what else) should be in the article, but every last person isn't needed. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:16, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Good. I didn't see a point either. The list of specialists will be removed, since boldness is part of the wikipedia mantra. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That seems reasonable to me. In some cosmic sense, these people do great work and should be recognized, but in the writing-an-encyclopedia sense, the list of names seems unlikely to be the kind of information the vast majority of readers looking up National Hurricane Center in an encyclopedia are looking for. --Delirium (talk) 16:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I concur as well. The quality of NHC is the result of team work both horizontally and vertically through time. It is bigger than any given individual or group thereof. This is what gives NHC depth and consistency. This is not meant to diminish important individual contributions which have undoubtedly been made but, rather, to consolidate it. Sirws (talk) 19:34, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some work has been done to add content from the Atlantic hurricane season article into this one, since it was relevant. Also reorganized some of the content, which should improve the flow of the article. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Year of creation[edit]

I was just googleing bits and bobs and found this interesting article that states that the NHC was created in 1956 - a whole 9 years before we claim it was set upJason Rees (talk) 03:01, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The NHC FAQ and newspaper article are on similar par, per wikipedia rules on referencing. It would ultimately be best to use a refereed paper or book as a reference. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:48, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In 1955 the national "Hurricane Center" was set at WFO Miami; in 1964, it was designated the "National Hurricane Center", per WFO Miami Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 02:48, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And there's the name of the chairman between 1965-1967 in this wikipedia article! If it would formed in 1967, how could it have a chairman for the two years before? Utku TanrıvereMessage 01:19, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This History of Atlantic hurricane warnings has become more complicated than stated on official websites. I found an ESSA World publication implying NHC's existence prior to 1967 as well. I think a new article needs to be created to deal with this issue, so it's time to be bold. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Recent article improvement[edit]

The history section should be in good shape now. It would be great if we could find a picture of the IRE Financial Building/Gables One Tower for the article, which would nearly complete the photographic tour of the Miami Hurricane Warning Office/NHC. Other sections need filling out before a GAN run is done, most likely. Anything else missing? Thegreatdr (talk) 18:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Introduce when NOAA/NHC gave up the selection of the TC names and handed them to the WMO in 77, rather than both male names and a generic statement saying that naming is now controlled by the WMO.Jason Rees (talk) 20:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's good to know that happened, officially, in 1977. That can be added. I checked out the tropical cyclone naming article which states this, but the reference for this bit of information is elusive after checking refs 5-7 in that article. You know of a good reference for that tidbit? Thegreatdr (talk) 23:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Best Track Committee?[edit]

Might be worth including a section on the Best Track Committee.Jason Rees (talk) 16:11, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps...though it would be more suited for the reanalysis article. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:13, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe a sentence or two in here under the research section and a link to the section in the Reanalysis article then.Jason Rees (talk) 16:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If we include the Best Track Committee, you'll have to include all of their committees and focal points, which are substantial and cross branches at NHC. Organizationally, it could be problematic. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fair dos, maybe just the Reanalysis article then.Jason Rees (talk) 17:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What's missing[edit]

Should the article have a section on the NHC's role in the public eye? HLT seems to fall under that, but perhaps it should have its own section, with how the center operates beyond its official role of issuing warnings. Also its status as a government agency? (how it's funded) Budget operations, future plans, how many people it employs, whatnot. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:40, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The HLT is a behind-the-scenes thing, where NHC and other national centers coordinate with state and national officials (it doesn't involve the media). A paragraph has been added concerning the JHT and HFIP, which was previously missing, which includes information about their future plans/ambitions. The article now states that NHC is part of NCEP, with a reference. The NHC staff page has been used as a count of the folks who work down there (so that change has been made). I did find their 2008 budget which was included with a reference; if newer budgets are found, that information will replace what is currently in the article. Were you looking to include more info about their best track archive? Some is already within the research section. That is the only item I can think of which extends beyond their official role (technically it should be NCDC's baby). Their interaction with the media falls within their scope of warnings to the public. I'll see if someone has published anything regarding the relationship between NHC and the media since the 1970's. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:05, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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