Talk:Murder of Bobby Kent

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Kent's nationality[edit]

Is he Iranian, or an American born in Iran? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.157.152.138 (talk • contribs)

He is an American born in Iran. He moved with his parents to America later.

Rape[edit]

I added the word allegedly about the rape. Kent never got a trial like his killers, so no rape conviction or charge ever happened.Nanaharas 17:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Murder story[edit]

Is the murder, as told in the Wiki article what ACTUALLY, FACTUALLY happened or is it what someone wrote based on what happened in the movie "Bully"? I don't know how true-to-fact the movie is, which is why I question the article. 68.51.188.174 (talk) 08:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Schutze wrote a true crime book about this; AFAIK the account is from Schutze's book WhisperToMe (talk) 23:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- A lot of the article seems to be lifted from this: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=fl&vol=alphan9711\wk3\puccio_vs_st_fl_86242&invol=1 Totorotroll (talk) 19:16, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violations[edit]

Some of this article was copied from this and other parts may have problems as well. This article has been tagged for not having references for over 15 months. Enigma ^message 16:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Superbias[edit]

Simba (talk) 07:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC): Wow, was this written by Bobby's parents or what? This needs a complete rewrite after some credible sources are found to reference. ~[reply]

Stupidity[edit]

I saw the movie, which this article follows, and I think it does make Bobby seem like a brutish lout. Whether it's an accurate account, I can't say. I didn't see the A&E special, nor did I read any of the Florida newspaper and court reports. That's what the article should be based on. It should also mention what blithering idiots the kids were. I wonder if any of them have lives now, since all are out of prison, accept Marty, and of course, Bobby.

There's little mention about the parents, and their culpability, either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.232.189 (talk) 05:17, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A concern[edit]

I've added semi-protection to the page following a request on RfPP. But looking at the article it seems to include a lot of material that isn't properly referenced, some of it very serious, some of it mentioning real names. I've tried to find a safe version to revert to, but I don't want to undo legitimate work. Can one of the regular editors of the page confirm that this material is all easily sourceable, and can sources be added? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 00:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the book written by Jim Schutze has sources for much of the stuff.
The names of all of the perpetrators are sourced in Schutze's book and in a Florida Supreme Court document. All were convicted in court of the killing.
WhisperToMe (talk) 20:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of information[edit]

This article lacks information, such as :

particulars of the crime, such as place, time, method, as found in other articles on the subject of such crimes
actions of law enforcement upon the perpetrators of the crime
resulting court case and sentences for convicted

Cybergothiche (talk) 15:04, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"allegedly" a bully is a fairer characterization[edit]

There is a lack of evidence that Bobby Kent was even a bully....the word "allegedly" or "purportedly" should be added to the article. Bobby Kent never got the chance to present his version of the events. Even if he was a bully, this could not have justified a brutal murder, though. Oleg Morgan (talk) 17 July 2011

Oleg, There were testimonials from parents AND children on various sides. In any case, we go by what reliable sources, like the book on the murder, say. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:39, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that Jim Schutze's work goes overboard on the bullying factor (while his book is mostly factual, there are a number of inaccuracies in it). I will try to look for some additional sources (like court cases, third party accounts), but it seems as if the book takes the conspirators at their word when it comes to painting a certain picture of Kent. Thanks for getting back to me! Oleg Morgan (talk) 21:43, 23 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.36.116 (talk) [reply]

Stunning lack of sourcing, surprised article isn't flagged[edit]

There is a grand total of 1 reference for the main part of this article. The first two sections (the intro and the "Murder" section) contain a lot of unsupported info which seems like it would have to be sourced to be even considered for inclusion.

quotes with no reference for the quotes
they were good friends, but bad blood existed between them (according to whom?)
description of what Puccio's parents thought (and we know what they thought because...?)
"according to testimonial accounts", but absolutely no info on these supposed testinmonials
a statement that Kent and Puccio "allegedly" did things with out any reference to show who is alleging.

It's hearsay and unsupported allegation and speculation. Sean Martin (talk) 01:01, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My guess would be that the book or possibly court records were used when compiling that description. So yeah, probably not the best sourcing, assertion-by-assertion, but the source might be out there somewhere. There might have been some merits to attempting to synthesize the sequence of events for the purpose of this article.Cander0000 (talk) 09:45, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"the source might be out there somewhere"?? If so, it should be mentioned here. Wikipedia's standard isn't "there's a source for this, somewhere, so it doesn't have to be cited".

Your rationalization is exactly backwards from Wikipedia standards. It's supposed to be "here's a source, so this info can go in the article", not "it's in the article so the support must exist somewhere." Sean Martin (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's a book called Bully (a "true crime" book that is factual but written in the style of a novel) that I used to have. I read it, and the stuff (about bad blood, about the murder being planned) is in the book. I could cite the book itself, but I need the page numbers WhisperToMe (talk) 02:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Father of Lisa Connelly's first child[edit]

Jim Schutze, in his 1997 true crime book, Bully: A True Story of High School Revenge (ISBN 978-0-68813-517-1), detailed (page 64) that Connelly had sex with both Bobby Kent and Marty Puccio. It also lays out (page 74) that she was adamant, from first confirmation that she was pregnant, that the child could only be from her preferred source, Puccio. Was there ever a challenge from Kent's parents to find out if the child might – in fact – be their grandchild, and a continuation of their son's legacy? Jmg38 (talk) 17:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]