Talk:Metrorail (Miami-Dade County)

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Florida's Sole Metro?[edit]

What about the Skyway in Jacksonville, FL? Or is it just like a peoplemover, like Metromover, in Miami? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.180.42.40 (talk) 13:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Skyway in Jacksonville is actually a monorail now. It was built as a people mover like Metromover, but was converted. However, it is so small and the capacity is so limited that most people do not list it as a "metro". However, it it were ever extended and it had larger trainsets then it would qualify. Tampasteve (talk) 15:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Miami Metrorail[edit]

Is there any source besides Wikipedia which lists "Miami Metrorail" as the preferred name for this system? A quick glance of this article's history suggests that this name was added on 17 April 2011 as part of a series of edits.

Since it is listed as the first name (even though it is not the official name), this terminology is starting to leak into other articles about the region. But personally I do not think I have ever heard anyone locally use the term.

A similar edit may be found in the Metromover article. Cerlyn (talk) 05:11, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Grainy photo[edit]

Removed external links[edit]

"Miami Metrorail Project Receives Big Federal Boost". The Miami Herald. Retrieved 2007-04-28..
http://www.miamidade.gov/transit/library/pdfs/corridor/n/master_developer/Forum_Save_The_Date_Flyer.pdf Master Developer Forum flyer - shows names of projected stations on North Corridor Extension

Malfunctioning reference[edit]

Why? ^[1]

^ "Route 500 Midnight Owl (printable map)" (PDF). Miami-Dade County. Retrieved 2012-1-14. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); line feed character in |title= at position 10 (help)

Great expansion photo[edit]

http://world.nycsubway.org/us/miami/miamiextmap.html

Refernce[edit]

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/keyword/metrorail/recent/4

developer site on history of dadeland, "downtown kendall"[edit]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Metrorail (Miami)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hghyux (talk · contribs) 00:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Checklist 1[edit]

Not an obvious failure ✓ Pass Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:28, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be clearly written, in good prose, with correct spelling and grammar. Check for coherent formatting, good organization of the article into sections, appropriate use of wikilinks, and other aspects of the Manual of Style referred to in the Good article criteria. After you have read the article, check that the lead section is a good summary and introduction to the topic. ✓ Pass Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be factually accurate according to reliable sources, with inline citations (typically using either footnotes or Harvard (parenthetical) references) for the six types of material named in the GA criteria. The article should not copy text from sources without quotation or in text attribution, and it should not contain any original synthesis of source material, or other forms of original research. Perfectly formatted citations are not required. ✓ Pass Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article should broadly cover the topic without unnecessary digressions. The article may, and sometimes should, go into detail, but it is not required to be comprehensive. ✓ Pass Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:38, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be written from the neutral point of view: this viewpoint strives to represent all other views fairly, proportionately, and without bias. Ensure that the article describes disputes without engaging in them. ✓ Pass Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be stable, with no ongoing edit wars: constructive article improvement and routine editing does not apply here. ✓ Pass but barely Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article is free of obvious copyright violations. Reviewers can use several tools, as well as Google searches, to help establish whether material has been plagiarised or cut-and-paste from some of the electronic sources used; but this is not a trivial undertaking. ✓ Pass No issues here. Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:48, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Y Passed the required criteria. I would like to remind the nom though about WP:OWN though due to a recent rollback of an IP adding correct NPOV changes. Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Checklist 2[edit]

This list will only be checked if the first list passes 100%

Article is well referenced. ✓ Pass 67 references is very good, though I encourage the nom to focus on adding more because only 2 were added since the last nomination. Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article is copyvio free. ✓ Pass Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good improvement since last nomination. Y While not a full pass, I have to say there is a desire to improve. 10/20 of the last nominator's concerns were resolved, and overall, the article has improved. Good job! Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Result

Successful Nomination :9 Pass: :1 OK: :0 Fail:

Y Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 01:00, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Summary

OK, so I won't go into a whole drama fest of problems because there are a few trivial ones that could use some fixing, but the previous reviewer should have known to give solutions and not problems, so here is what I suggest...

You do not own this article. Let others help, and don't use rollback on an honest good faith edit. (I nearly ended the review there by the way)
Please maintain a neutral article if a disagreement shows up.
PLEASE focus on adding reliable references. You cannot have too much sourcing.

Overall just continue to maintain the article in a positive way. Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others)

30th anniversary refs[edit]

http://www.local10.com/news/miamis-metrorail-continues-growing/26036056

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article1964224.html - very good history information, should be archived before it rots. B137 (talk) 19:24, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

^Miami’s Metrorail at 30: Promises kept, promises broken Alfonso Chardy, May 11, 2014

Requested move 9 April 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:38, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Metrorail (Miami) → Metrorail (Miami-Dade County) – Only part of the rail line is within the City of Miami, while its entirety lies within Miami-Dade County. This would be a much more appropriate disambiguator, as it is operated by Miami-Dade Transit, and has a similar naming convention to Metro Rail (Los Angeles County). –Dream out loud (talk) 17:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support More accurate name, and closest to the one used by the official operator of Metrorail. Conifer (talk) 22:14, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Possible lost tidbit[edit]

From a Miami Herald Facebook comment: "Metro Rail was a giveaway to the Latin American Builders Association and the [Governor Maurice] Ferre family which owned Maule Industries (who supplied the concrete)." B137 (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FY 2015 ridership (oct 2014 - sept 2015)[edit]

76,300 76,600 71,000 76,300 77,800 77,600 76,200 74,400 606200 71,300 69,500 70,200 211,000 + = 800000 / 11 = 74291

Looks like a long shot that FY2015 will beat FY2014 (74,600), sept ridership will have to have been about 75000. Gas prices fell to nearly half what they were since 2010 from 2014 to 2015, bus ridership fell sadly, the fact that MM and MR even nearly held steady is significant, and might be telling to the irony of cheaper gas, heavier auto traffic making longer commutes and more gas burned anyway. B137 (talk) 11:07, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FY2014: 75,200 70,200 67,500 69,100 72,900 76,100 76,500 78,100 73,100 69,100 75,000 74,000 + = 876,800

 / 12 = 73,066, well I guess the table goes by calendar year...

B137 (talk) 11:13, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Sept 2015 weekdaily came in at 75,500,^[1] squeaking just over sept 2014 weekdaily and enough to put FY2015 over FY2014 for annual weekday ridership. Quite a feat given the scenario of gas halving from 2011-2013 highs starting with a drop to $3/gallon in October 2014,^[2] the first month of FY2015. B137 (talk) 02:22, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.miamidade.gov/transit/library/rtr/2015-09-Ridership-Technical-Report.pdf September 2015
^ http://fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/2014/10/ October | 2014 | AAA's Daily Fuel Gauge Report

Criticism and negatives[edit]

More should be added about the "Metrofail" usage cited in the T in SF article from MR at 30 by the Herald, Richard Freidman 1978 STOP trains over people, low ridership predictions by third party sources etc. B137 (talk) 02:47, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Nobody uses north of Civic Center"[edit]

In fact, as of the high 78,000 Feb 2014 ridership, those stations

1572+1518+1822+1656+1768+1611+1180+1557+1934+2352+990 = 17,690/11 = 1,633 riders each.
While from Civic Center south is
6404+1690+2013+13196+6077+1690+2215+4594+2633+3939+7420+8272 = 60,143/12 = 5,012 riders each, averaging triple the amount per station.
The Orange Line has made it worse if anything, because now there are eight northern stations (including MIA station), that only have one service, giving them awful headway lengths. B137 (talk) 21:58, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Voltage[edit]

I thought it was either 600, 625, or 650 volts. But the almost identical counterpart in Baltimore is 700 volts. And this non-reputable site claims it is 700 as well; it does have some blogs (not technically reputable but much more technical and in depth and first person) to back it up. While this seems logical going by Baltimore, that Metro operates differently, including higher speed and possibly but less likely acceleration rate, often correlated but not necessarily depending on higher voltages. To add to the confusion, Miami-Dade County's little paragraph on "Systems Projects" mentions modernizing electrical substations "...necessary to provide the required higher 600 Volts Direct Current (VDC) for the 136 new Metrorail vehicles scheduled to be delivered beginning 2015," when indeed if it is currently using 700 volts, it would actually be a lowering of voltage. http://www.miamidade.gov/transit/improvement-system-projects.asp

B137 (talk) 21:34, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@B137: Hitachi says 750 VDC per the ref I just added, which makes sense in terms of being an increase compared to 700 VDC. FDMS 4 01:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yup 700 to 750 makes sense, chalk the 600 up to ineptitude on the county site. B137 (talk) 11:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Replacement reasons?[edit]

Why were the Budd trains replaced by the new Hitachi Rail Italy trains? Clrichey (talk) 06:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what type of locomotive do they use what are the names?[edit]

i’m interested in the name of the locomotive that they use and I would like to know, and do they use the same train anywhere else? 2600:1700:4FF7:5060:64CC:FECD:912F:961E (talk) 17:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[500owlmap-1] "Route 500 Midnight Owl (printable map)" (PDF). Miami-Dade County. Retrieved 2012-1-14. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); line feed character in |title= at position 10 (help)

[2] ttp://www.miamidade.gov/transit/library/rtr/2015-09-Ridership-Technical-Report.pdf September 2015

[3] ttp://fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/2014/10/ October | 2014 | AAA's Daily Fuel Gauge Report

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