Talk:Lainie Kazan

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Suggestion[edit]

More facts besides list of appearances. More breadth of info, more objectivity about her career's less successful aspects, less like a press release. Zaslav (talk) 23:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about a discography to compliment her filmography. She's recorded dozens of Record Albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NabiscoSANE (talk • contribs) 21:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't she in "Living with Fran" too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.226.130.244 (talk) 16:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Big Barda[edit]

Does anyone have a citation for the comment about Big Barda? Sounds like BS to me 70.88.213.74 (talk) 23:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are a number of Ghits for -"Big Barda" inspiration Lainie- so if it's not true, it seems to have reached at least urban legend status. With that search, I was able to find this source, which probably doesn't pass wp:rs but it seems like they know Jack Kirby... Dismas|^(talk) 01:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Sound of Music[edit]

Why does this article currently not mention The Sound of Music, her first Broadway hit? David Spector (talk) 20:53, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1939 born[edit]

she was born in 1939

according to the 1940 census she was 1 year old in 1940 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.247.240.22 (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. (86.133.85.126 (talk) 08:24, 25 December 2017 (UTC))[reply]

First, provide a link to that cite. Second, that's a primary source at odds with secondary sources. Third, census takers don't gather birth dates and often will round out a year. Finally, the Internet Broadway Database, the professionally run, official website of The Broadway League, gives May 15, 1940. The site more than qualifies as a reliable source under Wikipedia standards. Her previous birth date claim wasn't cited at all, which is a violation of WP:BLP.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that IMDb has instructions right on it for users to submit data, which as many people have found over the years is neither editor nor vetted or only cursorily so. There is no function on IBDb to allow that.

Additionally, here's The New York Times that calls her 67 in April 2008, a month before she would turn 68 in May 2008.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:40, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Reversions[edit]

Tenebrae, your latest reversions of the edits I made are not improvements. Other than removing "attended" from the content on Kazan's high school, what you reverted back to (your preferred, and self-written version) is unwieldy, awkward, and - frankly - really bad syntax. "Potentially fatal condition" is accurate for DVT because, in spite of what you claimed in the edit summary, not every medical condition and disease is potentially fatal. In the case of DVT, it's reversible, just as atherosclerosis is reversible. When not "fixed", DVT is potentially fatal but isn't always fatal even if not reversed. That description is accurate for DVT and needs to go back in. The content on Streisand and Erasmus needs to at least go back to what it was (minus "attended") or be rewritten so it makes sense, isn't a run-on, and doesn't leave the reader confused with way too much information and word-salad to process. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 01:32, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because I hadn't heard back from you, Tenebrae, I went ahead and readded the content mentioned above, but... with some tweaks that I think will be acceptable to you. References were added, as well. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 00:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For goodness' sakes, it's the holidays — some people have family and other obligations and cannot rush to Wikipedia. You waited less than a single day to unilaterally restore a edit that had been reverted for good reason, rather than attempting to gain consensus with other editors as per WP:BRD. There is no consensus for your version, which suffers from the deficiencies I previously noted. Rather than return to your old habit of edit-warring, bring your issue here for discussion with other editors, the way we're supposed to, please. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That said, you were correct about the run-on sentence. I have humbly broken it into two, so it's actually close to your edit. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:37, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To take the advice of Neutrality and move forward with same, I'd like to know why you believe your preferred wording is better than what I had added (along with references to support). A detailed explanation without condescending insults or inferences would be appreciated. After that, we should each plan to work for a solution beyond one editor's version as being better than the other's. In that fashion, perhaps we can come up with something better all around that combines the best of what each of us has offered already. Thanks. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 02:52, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate this attempt at discussion. Let's start with the issue of Kazan's disease. I'm not sure why we would single out this particular disease as "potentially deadly" when we don't say "potentially deadly" every time we mention cancer or pneumonia? --Tenebrae (talk) 03:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I don't think we're that far apart. For example, except for a minor touchup, your sentence "While at Hofstra, Kazan appeared in school musicals written and directed by a fellow classmate, future Academy Award-winning director Francis Ford Coppola" remains abolutely intact.--Tenebrae (talk) 03:05, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]