Talk:Imperium Europa

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I put the POV header there[edit]

Why? Fascists protecting civil liberties? Sorry but that's on the opposite scale of the spectrum.

The Malta article says they are a libertarian party. Very strange!

I know. It is indeed a very weird combination. The leader, Norman Lowell, consistantly describes himself as a libertarian (and in fact he does believe in a lot of libertarian policies, as described in the article). But the mass media consistantly labels him a "fascist" and a "neo-Nazi" because he believes the European continent is for Whites only - but that's about the 'only thing' fascist about his policies. Let me know if this is sufficient enough to remove the Disputed Neutrality template. Marcus1234 08:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fascism?[edit]

Imperium Europa has nothing to do with Fascism.

I agree very little 'Fascism' in the strict sense of the word. More a Nazi's daydream?


Errrrm yeah, nor are they populist when they're blatantly going after ameliorating civil liberties :s - Maurik

That's an SS bolt on its side, these guys are Nazis. They even link to a site dedicated to Sir Oswald Mosley on their official site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:10D:C092:200:0:0:1:4E4D (talk) 16:12, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Other[edit]

Its long-term policy as a party primarily focuses on the well-being of its people and land. This includes freeing the Maltese from the incoming waves of African immigrants who are targeting Malta due to lax detention policies. Imperium Europa strives to fill in the void that the present Government has left vis-a-vis immigration policy. The party's secondary aim is uniting Europe under one flag and one empire in order to preserve the ever-diminishing white race.

This needs to be reworded because it presents the party's viewpoints as encyclopedic fact; it is unclear that this is the point of view of the party alone, not of Wikipedia. --RealMontrealer 02:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working a bit on this. Malta is one of things that interests me. I know at present the wording probably still sounds offensive, so don't remove the NPOV dispute of course, but I'm trying to think how to fix it without inciting their supporters to start an edit war. (The Norman Lowell article related to it I guess had a small edit war between party supporters and opponents)--T. Anthony 10:15, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It's looking much better T. Anthony, I think you're on the right track. --RealMontrealer 18:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The party is controversial or perhaps even fringe in Malta. Normal Lowell was accused of inciting racial hatred on January 22, 2005 by Dr. Emmy Bezzina of another small party called the Alpha party.

Dr. Emmy Bezzina is actually his lawyer. -- 13:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.204.104.108 (talk • contribs) .

The news article I read wasn't clear on that. Did you fix it?--T. Anthony 03:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Many press statements are innacurate as is the opinion writer Dr. Borg Cardona (aka I M Beck).user[sepp44] 17.19. 26 october 2005 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.255.28.79 (talk • contribs) .

Freeing[edit]

The article seems pretty objective to me. This sentence is problematic: "This includes freeing the Maltese from the incoming waves of African immigrants".

A neutral rendering would be "This includes preventing large numbers of African immigrants from coming to Malta".

It would seem to me they are quite late. Anyone who knows the History of Malta would know that it's part of the Mediterraenean and its history and culture, not part of the mythical "Europe" invented by Anglo-Saxons and their fascist descendants. It never fails to astound me how people who are so historically dialectic can fall for such drivel as "racial purity." Hitler; dark haired, eyed, and swarthy. Mussolini; same thing. Ironically, the "Aryans" that invented that sort of nonsense with their "karma"/Brahminism would not be allowed in the "white reich" because they are not "European." For the article's sake, the second renedering would be the best. JBDay 19:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Massive edits[edit]

We seem to have two entirely different versions of this article in mind. We should probably talk this out and try to find more sources. --Stlemur 12:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other[edit]

I proposing merging this article with Norman Lowell. The "party" appears to simply be the political banner under which Lowell stood in one election and we have no evidence of any significant, permanent establishment other than a website --SandyDancer 21:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merger of this article into Norman Lowell[edit]

I am also proposing that this be merged into Norman Lowell.

"Imperium Europa" appears to simply be the name chosen for Norman Lowell's election campaign in 2004, and although I am not denying it may well still exist as far as he and his supporters are concerned, we have been presented with no evidence of any real party structure independent of Lowell.

To use an analogy, Katie Price ran under the banner "For a Bigga and Betta Future" in the 2005 UK General Election, but that's a red link. Imperium Europa should be too.

If more evidence was needed, the website for Imperium Europa even serves as an advertisement for Lowell's own artworks. It seems to be more or less a personal homepage, perhaps representing his ambition to form a political movement and party. It can be discussed here, in the page about him (which I do not propose deleting).

I would appreciate anyone's views on this --SandyDancer 22:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On thinking about it I'm not sure I'd favor that. We have an article on Westboro Baptist Church even though it's basically just Fred Phelps and his relatives. The European Workers Party and Ulf Sandmark both have articles, despite that party never having had more than 400 votes. They are also in a much larger nation, Sweden, and are apparently just an arm of the LaRouche Movement.--T. Anthony 09:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to add that "not sure" is not the same as "no." I'm saying I see reasons why this might not work, but I'm undecided about it. Still I think I would prefer merging Lowell into the this article rather than the other way round. Possibly this is petty, if he is merged into here we can give him less airtime so to speak, but party I think it might be easier to verify this article. Lowell apparently says varied unverified, or unverifiable, things about himself as the editors can't even agree on his birthdate. Whereas the positions or timeline of a party, even if it's merely a front group, are sometimes easier to state objectively.--T. Anthony 09:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Policy section[edit]

This section contains a lot of "libertarian" objectives and a long blurb about "national unity government" - anyone reading it wouldn't realise the party's programme is entirely based around race issues... --SandyDancer 11:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You proved the point I was trying to make a few days ago. Imperium Europa is ultimately based on the White race and Western culture issues. It's Viva Malta which focuses on the more libertarian/liberal/moderate aspects with regards to Malta. That's why I still think that there should be a separate article on Viva Malta, or else, as you said, people will get the wrong idea. They are two separate movements. Marcus1234 12:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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