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This article was nominated for deletion on 17 September 2008 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

I tagged the article for POV-check because of a few issues. The whole thing reads a bit like marketing material; it consists mainly of company/CEO achievements and product information. There are also some parts that needs to be re-written to be less confusing.

Parts of the article provide very detailed information in terms of numbers and years but other parts that were very vague. For example, under the "History" section, it says that the company "first came into the market and acquired a global patent through 'nProtect Netizen' which was first program to provide a real-time client PC information security service", but it does not ever say when the company was founded.

Parts of the article contain information that's not very related to the company. Under the "History" section, there was a longish description of the facilities the company occupies that seems a bit extraneous: "the Guro Digital Complex, which is the largest IT industrial complex of Korea and played a pivotal role in the economic growth of Korea, referred to as the 'Miracle on the Han River' contributing 10% of national exports in the 1970s". Under the "Corporate Affairs" section there seems to be an extensive biography of the CEO, which probably should be moved to its own article or something.

Parts of the article contain awkward sounding sentences. For example, under the "CEO" subsection within the "Corporate Affairs" section it says "he developed a public vaccine called Anti-Virus Program Tachyon". I have never heard of anti-virus programs being called public vaccines before and it just sounds a bit weird.

If anybody feels that I have tagged the article with the wrong template and knows a better label for describing the problems I listed, feel free to correct it. Perhaps the article only needs cleanup instead.

129.120.61.185 (talk) 02:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The History section did not include when the company was founded because the foundation date is clearly displayed at the top of the page, but i have added the date again anyways.

The description of the Guro Digital Complex is included because it is an important factor to the company, and many companies located there have had a tremendous synergy effect. There have been news articles written in Korea regarding this effect, and I have added this fact and external links for reference.

The biography about Young Heum Joo is a basic introduction, and I would not agree is an extensive biography that should be another article.

The phrase "public vaccine" has been modified.

Furthermore, please sign your posts on talk pages.

Kevinkph85 (talk) 05:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In response to [1]:

Problems I see are:

The "Products" section is a feature list straight from marketing material

The article is peppered with excessive praise. Just about the entire article suffers from this in one way or another, but some examples:

INCA Internet provided a new paradigm in the online PC security industry and went beyond the hardware and software based security solution and applied the concept of an Application Service Provider (ASP). The product performances have since been recognized by financial institutions, public institutions, on-line game companies and has acquired experience in the global market through international marketing.

The main strength of the INCA Internet products are a SaaS (software as a service) model being applied to the entire product line.

Young Heum Joo, born in 1976, is considered one of the most successful young CEO’s of Korea.

The article is full of corporate-speak, such as

The business model of nProtect is to avoid the high market access barrier and intense competition “red ocean” market and conform to true customer and end-user’s niche and furthermore create various new business models that suit the broadband environment which requires an intimate co-work with the supplier.

None of the references suggest particular notability. The biggest claim to fame is being 339th in an Asia-Pacific only list of companies, based on growth. All the other references are in Korean so are difficult to verify.

In short, the article is clearly not written from a neutral point of view; there is very likely a huge conflict of interest; it is purely WP:SPAM.

Ros0709 (talk) 07:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In response to Ros0709, the suggested issues have been modified for a neutral point of view and part of the article were deleted to suit the Wikipedia guidelines.

As for the references, I have provided the best references available to me.

The NPOV tag has been removed following the modification.

If you have further issues with NPOV, please specify the parts of the article that needs modification before tagging the article, as Ros0709 has done.

Furthermore, please sign your posts on talk pages.

Kevinkph85 (talk) 02:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I cannot read Korean, so I could only check the two English references. So far, I have no comments about the pdf link.

For the DFJ link though, I looked at their portfolio and also DFJ Athena's portfolio but could not find any results containing INCA or nProtect. Can someone provide verification of the line "A major investor to the company is DFJ (Draper Fisher Jurvetson) [...]"? I even googled several pair-wise combinations of DFJ/Draper Fisher Jurvetson with INCA/nProtect/잉카인터넷 and I get little relevent results besides this article and its mirrors.

As a side note/question, should there be an article at ko:잉카인터넷 as well? (edit: ~~Oops, there is a page there... why so little information though?~~ Actually, looking at the Google translation, it seems to be an article not found page.)

Additionally, it doesn't seem to be normal procedure to remove the POV-check tag without consensus according to What_is_an_NPOV_dispute.

Thank you.

aibyou_chan (talk) 08:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't help but question Ros0709's claim of notability of INCA Internet. 339th fastest growing corporation of Asia-Pacific list by Deloitte was made to recognize notable companies of today. Picked as one the of 50 fastest growing in Korea is also a recognition of notability. Although the corporation has not received american recognition awards, please do not consider Korean awards less worthy of recognition for corporations of their country. Because the corporation is not located in US, many of the citations are not in Korean, but anybody who questions the authenticity of the articles may transalte the article and verify the validity. I have fixed the parts of the article claimed as peacock-ish to have a more neutral POV. I have requested to further please point out any other parts that may still need correction to better this article, but it seems against the ideals of Wikipedia to just delete the article, when there are still people trying to better it. As for the Biography of the CEO, I just followed the article of General_Electric. If people feel that the part is worthy of an article of itself, I do not mind making it a separate article. I just thought the information was not enough to be an article of itself. As for the deletion of the POV-check tag, I was not aware of the procedure and do apologize for the hasty removal. Furthermore, please help by pointing out parts that need further improvements and sign your posts on talk pages. Thank you for the time. Kevinkph85 (talk) 01:51, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About "more than 90% of game portal security worldwide"[edit]

I would only like to add that subject phrase "more than 90% of game portal security worldwide" looks like fraudulent advertising. Never heard about nProtect and INCA outside Korea. Especially if you take into account their old problems with support of non-korean default encoding computers - it just doesn't look realistic that they ever worked abroad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.253.27.122 (talk) 01:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As a korean, I would like to let you know that nProtect GameGuard is currently the largest game protection company world-wide, mainly from the fact that game security started in Korea along with the korean online gaming revolution. You can easily check by adding up the number of users who connect to games with GameGuard, and compare it with the number of users who connect to other games with other game security software :) 210.217.175.101 (talk) 06:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Be Wary[edit]

This looks like a very elaborate attempt to legitimize dubious software. Business people are both smart enough and unscrupulous enough to do such things these days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.98.132.153 (talk) 04:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If any of you guys need a sense of how the company's "world famous software" (which Ive no doubt none of you heard of) is used, take a look at this https://market.android.com/details?id=com.inca.nprotect look at those reviews (1/5 stars everywhere) 1.227.153.21 (talk) 03:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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