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Maradona does not have Italian ancestry

This has been discussed over and over again in this article but again it seems the same anonymous IP is return obsessing about making him Italian.

Please we have dozens of Argentine sources explaining in detail who all of his ancestors were.

Argentine RELIABLE Sources discussing his ancestry. NONE mention Italian descent. ALL mention Spanish and Croatian descent of the ancestors on both sides of the family:

I see User Nampa DC is continuing to disrupt this page. I will take this a noticeboard since we are clearly dealing with a combative editor knowingly spreading misinformation and refusing to engage on the talk page. Historian734 (talk) 18:33, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
These sources are not a little comical and the point you are pushing clearly doesn't follow from any of them, not to mention that it's simply untrue that the matter of Maradona's ancestry is settled in Argentina (nor should we accept that it is only in Argentina, and only by Argentinians, that this issue can be resolved). Regarding the links, and in order. The first link doesn't cite any sources or references regarding Maradona's ancestry on his father's side, it simply quotes an unrelated 'Maradona' from Argentina who supposes (and that's the right word) that there are few Maradonas in the country and that they all come from the same town in Galicia, as their own family supposedly does, but such reports cannot be taken at face value and they are nothing but speculative - that Maradona's family comes from Galicia has to be established properly, and not by indirect means such as these. The second link doesn't mention anything about Maradona's ancestry at all and it's therefore pointless. The third link cites a friend of Maradona "confirming" his supposed Croatian ancestry and nothing else, and obviously this cannot be regarded as a reliable source. The fourth link requires a subscription. The fifth link, in fact a Spanish newspaper with a subsidiary in Argentina, also doesn't mention anything at all about Maradona's ancestry and it's as pointless as the second link. The last link, which is not much more than a blog, discusses Maradona's Galician ancestry by the same means as the first link and moreover claims that Maradona has Croatian ancestry because a grandmother on his mother's side, whose official last name was/is Cariolichi, is in reality a transliteration of Croatian Kariolić, but it cites no references at all and this translation is a contentious matter - indeed, all the information on Maradona's supposed Croatian ancestry can be traced back to one Narciso Binayán, an Argentinian journalist who wrote rather speculative books on people's ancestry, and who in the case of Maradona even speculated that on his (supposed) Croatian Maradona may have been a descendant of Marco Polo (via some Croat called Polich - I kid you not). In fact, people who have looked into this matter, such as the Spanish-British journalist Jimmy Burns in his well-received biography of Maradona, have traced back the Cariolichi family to Southern Italy (to Calabria, in particular) and the connection to any "Kariolić" is very dubious indeed (for example, see here: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CjkfEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=maradona+Cariolochi&source=bl&ots=_noeGbuXNh&sig=ACfU3U2qNU7e_tWYr2VukjioJk8Cm7H1vA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj5qbWdsrDvAhWhTxUIHd7lB0YQ6AEwEHoECBUQAw#v=onepage&q=maradona%20Cariolochi&f=false)
In sum, these terrible sources have no place in Wikipedia, and the claims that Maradona's ancestry is both Galician and Croatian should not be recorded at all, as they are very speculative and so far completely unsupported. On the balance of the available evidence, what seems to be supported is that Maradona's father was partly of guaraní ancestry and his mother partly of Italian ancestry, as the reliable sources this dubious user has consistently deleted show (from The Guardian, the BBC, Jonathan Wilson and Jimmy Burns, the last two well-respected journalists who have written about Maradona for years). I invite a more experience user to sort this mess out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.75.9.49 (talk) 19:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Can anyone verify the veracity of the sources used by Historian734? Lots of bare urls but little to no idea if they carry any validity. The source currently used in the article (The Guardian) does meet the required criteria. Nampa DC (talk) 20:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Maradona's mother was not descended from Italians as this articles claims. Here we have information about Maradona's genealogy. His mother's mother, Salvadora Kariolić/Cariolich, was actually of Croatian descent, not Italian at all. And Maradona's father was not of Guarani descent or at least not of full Guarani descent. The Maradona last name comes from Miguel Fernández de Maradona, who was born, c. 1586, in San Pedro de Arante, Ribadeo, Galicia, Spain. Xuxo (talk) 03:03, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2021

This article states that Franco Baresi was a teammate of Maradona’s. Baresi was never a teammate at either club or National level,and is a factual error. Please correct this. Thanks. Koaraktor (talk) 02:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:39, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2021

Change "The first goal was an unpenalized handling foul known as the "Hand of God"" to "The first goal is considered a hand ball when it deflects off of Maradona's head touching his hand and scoring, this is also known as the "Hand of God or Mano de Dios"." DavaSocial (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: I don't see the encyclopedic benefit of writing out what the Hand of God is when there is a wiki-link to the relevant page and the paragraph in question is in the lead. —Sirdog (talk) 21:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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Maradona wanting to play for Boca

It has been a really long time since I last edited on Wikipedia, so I got curious to see if there was anything new on my page.

Well, one of my edits on this page was reverted for "vandalism" so I want to make some clarifications.

I'm disputing this line:

"Maradona received offers to join other clubs, including River Plate who offered to make him the club's best paid player.[27] Nevertheless, Maradona expressed his will to be transferred to Boca Juniors, the team he always wanted to play for.[28]"

Maradona has made many statements regarding his failed transfer to River. The article cites an English source even though there are so many other sources of him saying otherwise.

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportes/futbol/un-mes-sin-10-maradona-era-independiente-nid2551400/

https://www.tycsports.com/al-angulo/diego-maradona-river-historia-id394023.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E5v8W3Qu9Y

Maradona himself said that he was hoping to play for River: "Tenía la ilusión de jugar en River, pero Aragón Cabrera (River's president of the time) me derrumbó la ilusión". On top of that, he admitted to be a fan of Independiente before transferring to Boca. Ricardoread (talk) 20:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

world record transfer fees

Both Alf Common and David Jack are believed to have both been twice transferred for record fees. Both are listed on the wikipedia transfer record progression with sources. 2800:A4:17BB:FC00:C021:10D5:9685:7717 (talk) 16:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Maradona

Who is maradona 49.205.140.206 (talk) 22:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2022

In his individual honors it is stated as Maradona winning a Balon d'or in 1986 and 1990. Which is impossible because during those times only Europeans could win the Ballon d'Or which wasn't changed until 1995 for players not born Europeans to also be able to win. So legends like Pele, Maradona, Hugo Sanchez never got to get their own Balon d'Or for not being Europeans. OhNoesNoey (talk) 01:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: See Ballon_d'Or#Additional_awards. In 2016 Maradona, Pele, and others were given the award. RudolfRed (talk) 05:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Sheffield United

It seems remiss not to include the well-known details about how the teenaged Maradona almost joined Sheffield United in the section covering Argentinos Juniors? [1] Culloty82 (talk) 12:22, 26 July 2022 (UTC) Culloty82 (talk) 12:22, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.90min.com/posts/when-diego-maradona-came-close-to-joining-sheffield-united

Get to Good Article

This article deserves to be at the minimum a Good Article rating. I am currently working on sorting out the refs, expanding them and fixing the broken ones. I will also try archiving them before I submit a GAN. But thought I would ask for peoples inputs on how this article can reach GA status and what needs to be done. Thanks Lankyant (talk) 22:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

  • @Lankyant: Hi - I wanted to follow-up here and found your message. The article has serious verification issues that will need to be addressed and revisited prior to being put for GA nomination. In the first paragraph I found a lot of information that that is cited but once you consult the source it does not back up the information. This is a huge violation of verifiability and I would advise this article be pulled from GAN until this is addressed. Have you checked every single source to make sure it backs up the claims it cites? This is a vital article and this information should be checked in great detail. The article may look decent, but at this point I don't feel the article is ready. MX (✉ • ✎) 04:11, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
    Could you give an example because the sources seem to verify. Im looking at early years is that what you are referring to? Lankyant (talk) 09:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
  • @Lankyant: Yes, please take a look at his early life section. I checked every source and not all the information in the article was back-up by the sources provided. I didn't do a full investigation either, but I'm sure there's more elsewhere. This is a huge violation of verifiability and would merit an immediate fail of GAN.
Did you write the article or did you simply nominated it? We may need to contact the main editors. Generally speaking, the main contributor of an article is the one who nominates an article for GA (that way they can address these concerns). MX (✉ • ✎) 16:07, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
  • I've removed the article from GA nomination for now. I am happy to step in as the Reviewer should the article be extensively checked for proper attribution. A lot of sources are used but after further inspection, they do not support all the information accordingly. This was done in one section and may be an indication of more problems elsewhere. MX (✉ • ✎) 21:53, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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