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Recording

With the limited sources, it is natural for this section to be somewhat lacking. However, maybe it's possible to dig deeper or try to find more sources to see what you can pull from them. Some points that stand out:

  • The first paragraph is choppy: "Initial recording began at a beach enclave in The Hamptons, New York during the summer of 2012. "Pretty Hurts" and "Flawless" were partially recorded there. Beyoncé was accompanied by husband Jay-Z and their daughter, as well as producers and songwriters including Sia Furler,[5] Timbaland, Justin Timberlake and The-Dream.[3]" --In this excerpt, the second sentence (mentioning the songs) is inconsistent and random. Try to create a narrative of the entire paragraph, and the possible intent behind this "mass gathering", and then try to work in the result of this meeting: the composition of the album's first recorded songs "Pretty Hurts" and "Flawless". And then say something like, "She eventually released 'Flawless' on her soundcloud' to mixed reception (since people were not used to this aggressive sound and the song's language).
  •  Done
  • "Beyoncé was inspired to interpolate archive footage from her childhood of her losing the television competition Star Search as she felt it aided the aggression of the song." How so? I remember her saying this, but as written, it's not clear why a childhood talent show would "aid" in a song's aggression. Are you trying to say that their loss made them (or her) stronger and more hardened, which ultimately manifested itself in the more aggressive, dominant persona displayed in the song etc? If so, you need to say so.
  •  Done
  • "Boots, an unknown producer most known for fronting rock band Blonds"-- awkward.
  •  Done Adjusted.
  • ..."pojects previous to Beyoncé or how Beyoncé found his demo, only confirming he signed a publishing deal with Roc Nation in June 2013." Using Beyonce twice is awkward when read aloud, although it's clear that one's a reference to the album and the other is to the singer.
  •  Done Adjusted.
  • " but she was more enthused by his more experimental material"--awkward due to repetition of "more".
  •  Done Adjusted.
  • ""I'm Onto You"—which later became "Haunted"—believing..." I would suggest that you try to not introduce a song title using dashes-- it renders it insignificant, as in :"she was more enthused by his more experimental material. Having recorded a piano demo on his iPhone, Boots reluctantly played "I'm Onto You--which by the way, if you wanna know, even though it not important, became "Haunted"--believing the instrumental to be lacklustre.") Create the story of how the song came to be, explain that the song eventually became known as "Haunted", and the previous title "I'm Onto You", was instead recorded as a phrase in the song's refrain etc.
  •  Done Adjusted.

due to time constraints, I will do a more thorough review in a day or so. There's a lot that can be amended for this section. Orane (talk) 02:42, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

@Journalist: Thank you for these amendments and I have used some of your wording as it works well. One thing I'm confused about is in the YouTube Self-Titled series, it appears (to me) she is recording "Partition" in the Hampton's Studio, yet the album credits assert it was recorded at Jungle/Oven. This makes me wonder whether the demo/initial composition was done at the Hamptons, and the full recording later. Am I inferring too much from the video if this was included, and do you think it should be?

Revisiting Beyoncé: Could 'Jealous' Be Its Most Important Song?

— Simon (talk) 10:00, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

If needed

— Simon (talk) 05:05, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Accolades

"Beyoncé" World's Best Album - WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Beyonc%C3%A9#World_Music_Awards http://vote.worldmusicawards.com/selectnomination.asp?cat=2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.154.61.192 (talk) 00:57, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Comments

@JennKR: I'm not the biggest fan of the current organization of the article, particularly the "Recording" section. With no clear chronology of how/when the recording took place, this is a strange structure to adopt. From reading a couple of the sources, and from general knowledge of how the recording stalled, restarted, and songs were scrapped or went through different stages (eg Boots being accredited "additional producer" status on "Jealous" or "Partition" because he added a sound/instrument well after the recording of the song was done), it seems strange that the section would imply that she went to the Hamptons, then went to Boots, then had "Later recording sessions". For all we know, she probably went to Boot's in the last stages of production, which is why he was able to become "additional producer" on so many of the songs.

Additionally, the article in general lacks a "Background" section, which, specific to this album, is important in detailing her early motherhood, going back into the studio after the release of 4 and her subsequent hiatus, and the media focus on the scrapped first draft of her album, her going on tour without releasing new music etc etc etc. The impact of the album's release is dependent on all of these factors, none of which seem to be mentioned explicitly, or given due weight. Orane (talk) 01:53, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Journalist: Hello, hope you're well! I've modified the structure of the recording section and included a background section with particular focus on "Bow Down/I Been On". Do you have any thoughts on its current state? I'm planning on re-writing the Composition section as I don't think it goes into detail enough. Best, —JennKR | ☎ 23:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Promotion

Beyoncé Lands Series of HBO Concert Segments: "Beyoncé: X10"

The 10 installments will air every Sunday evening at 8:55 p.m. ET/PT ahead of the seventh and final season of True Blood, which begins at 9 p.m. ET/PT on June 22.

Taped performances of "Blow/Cherry", "Drunk in Love", "Ghost/Haunted", "Flawless/Yoncé", "Get Me Bodied/Baby Boy/Diva", "Run The World (Girls)", "Heaven", "Partition", "Why Don't You Love Me?" and "XO" will air as part of the series.

The performances were shot in various cities around the world from Beyonce's Mrs. Carter World Tour. The tour began in April 2013 in Belgrade, Serbia and ended in March 2014 in Lisbon, Portugal.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/beyonce-lands-series-hbo-concert-713133 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.244.5.103 (talk) 00:59, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

 Not done More relevant to TMCSWT page. Best, —JennKR | ☎ 01:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Genre

Beyonce also includes elements of dream pop (ghost/haunted), neo soul (Rocket), and hip-pop (DiL, Yonce, Mine, Flawless) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.153.112.6 (talk) 20:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources to back up your assertions. Adabow (talk) 21:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

The Atlantic

There is a lot in this interview about the cover of the album that may be used in the article. My love is love (talk) 01:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done I'll incorporate this -- It's a great read, cheers! —JennKR | ☎ 22:27, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Sample of "Bow Down/I Been On"

If compare the sample used in the article to the original recording, there are differences between them. Perhaps change the title to "Flawless" instead? Simon (talk) 11:29, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Potentially, but I'll see if I can sample the original first... (I'll update you here if not). —JennKR | ☎ 12:55, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 Done Updated the file with the original Soundcloud demo. Best, —JennKR | ☎ 19:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Alternative R&B

The source cited for alternative R&B is Billboard, which states "Much like her sister Solange's compilation "Saint Heron," which featured vocal-heavy, minimalist R&B compilation "Saint Heron," "Beyoncé" signifies where the future of R&B is heading, with less focus on beats and more emphasis on emotive falsetto, stream-of-consciousness ideas and the occasional burst of braggadocio". Is futuristic R&B really equivalent to alt R&B? Adabow (talk) 10:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Y'know, I can't find it, but one of the sources near that billboard cite said "alt-R&B" or something to that effect. Can't find it now, but I'll look in a second to dig it up. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Soderberg's review on Spin states "alt-R&B". pedro | talk 12:18, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Pedro's review

@JennKR: I did some minor copyedits on the article, however there are still some confusing points:

Recording
  • Did Beyoncé and Jay-Z live somewhere in New York or specifically in The Hamptons? Take a look at the opening sentence—it's a bit confusing.
  • Not Done: is it the comma construction that is confusing, i.e. "The Hamptons, New York,"? It's just that place/state in prose should be formatted so there is a comma after the state, i.e. Los Angeles, California, etc.
  • "In mid-2013, a newly-discovered musician called Boots, most known for fronting rock band Blonds, signed a publishing deal with Jay-Z's Roc Nation. He ultimately produced eighty percent of Beyoncé. In an interview for Pitchfork, Boots avoided answering questions about how Beyoncé discovered his demo or his work previous to Beyoncé." Could you reword this? It doesn't flow well.
  • Done: does it flow better now or do you think there should be no mention of Pitchfork?
  • "During its composition, Beyoncé was motivated to interpolate archive footage of the television competition Star Search, her strength from the loss manifesting itself in the more aggressive, dominant persona in the song" This sentence should mention that she participated in Star Search, as it isn't obvious by reading it.
  • Done: modified.
Composition
  • "Like previous releases" (needs rewording as "Unlike previous releases" is on the previous paragraph) of whom?
  • Done: modified.
  • "sees it rarely discussed except when defended" this doesn't aid understanding
  • Done: removed.
  • "Perhaps the album's most explicit song" according to whom?
  • Done: removed. —JennKR | ☎ 19:42, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

More to come soon. pedro | talk 18:51, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Simon

Composition

  • Done: linked.
  • Third paragraph: "...A duet with her husband Jay-Z, "Drunk in Love"'s explicit lyrics" --> quote marks next to apostrophe should be avoided. Simon (talk) 04:13, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Done: rearranged.
  • I don't think that "Blow" is a disco song, only said that it is a disco-influenced. Simon (talk) 04:15, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Done: agreed, moved to "elements of jazz and disco". —JennKR | ☎ 15:15, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Paragraph five, Composition section: "...with harmonies similar to that of Beyoncé's Destiny Child-era" --> A song that is similar to an era? Simon (talk) 15:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Done: modified.
  • Comment: I think they're synonymous, it's just Alternative R&B is a better description than that or even PBR&B (as I think we should avoid abbreviations). A Spin source identifies this album as alt-R&B so I've included it too.
  • I am not so sure. NME also described this album as "future R&B". Oh, and according to Spin "No Angel" is a chillwave song. I think you should add that information. Simon (talk) 02:15, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
  • As I am concern with this album's genre, I have also noted that several publications (including NY Times) described it as "electronic R&B" Simon (talk) 02:21, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
@JennKR: Are there any ideas about my above comment? Simon (talk) 13:26, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
@HĐ: The reviews definitely seemed to characterize it as electronic R&B, but another user put a strong case forward for it not to be used as it isn't really a genre (i.e. there is no "electronic R&B" article). The fusion of electronic music with R&B I believe gives rise to alternative R&B, as its use is limited in contemporary R&B and not at all in traditional R&B. Plus, there are multiple sources that attest its ~future R&B, which is synonymous with alternative R&B. —JennKR | ☎ 16:02, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
  • The lyrics "Can you eat..." of "Blow" is wrong. Actually it is "lick". Simon (talk) 02:06, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Not Done: it's definitely eat. Although I did noticed that there is some disparity among the sources. The article reads "Can you eat my skittles/ That's the sweetest in the middle", Pitchfork reads "Can you lick my skittles/ That's the sweetest in the middle" and Beyoncé's website is "Can you eat the skiddles/It's the sweetest in the middle. Naturally I'd source Bey's website but as far as I'm aware "skiddles" is not a word, unless it's American vernacular or Beyoncé's vernacular/cadence, which may be problematic to readers as its not immediately clear. What do you think I should do? I'll try and find if I can source it elsewhere in the meantime. —JennKR | ☎ 18:47, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Here's an article which describes the correct lyrics (eat, Skittles, that's). Adabow (talk) 00:56, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Done: thanks for seeking that out Adabow! —JennKR | ☎ 00:14, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Visuals and artwork

  • "The locations of which include..." Why don't you list locations for each visual? Simon (talk) 04:18, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm guessing it's to respect WP's guidelines for summary style. pedro | talk 10:53, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay, but it will be not-so-particular. Simon (talk) 11:22, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Not Done: for the reasons Prism touched on. I think listing all locations would be superfluous considering there are lots of separate articles. Do you think there is another way that this can be approached? I'm not a huge fan of the way it lists them either.
  • " In line with album's theme of rebelling against perfection..." How can't I found this idea in the "Composition" section? Simon (talk) 04:18, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Done: This is a slight misstatement. The album isn't really about rebelling against perfection, but the visuals are. This should be mentioned as first instance and be explored further (I'll examime the Self-Titled series and re-write this bit). —JennKR | ☎ 14:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

If needed

Mexico

I found here that the album peaked at number 34 on the Top 100 Mexico chart published by AMPROFON for the period between December 23, 2013 and December 29, 2013. But other than AMPROFON's Twitter and Facebook page I can't find anything about their chart. However, I saw that links from Twitter and Facebook are used here and here and in many other albums articles. My love is love (talk) 17:27, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Vinyl release

Genres

Just beginning this discussion as its obviously been attracting some attention. What I have been noticing is that the edits are from IPs who have never (or barely) used Wikipedia previously and are adding/removing the same material which makes me wonder whether this is a small group of online Beyoncé fans or one user using multiple IPs. Either way, a more solid consensus needs to be built. —JennKR | ☎ 13:47, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

It is likely frustrating for IPs to have their edits continually reverted with explanation. Indeed, even citing improperly referenced material to remove the IP's comments. It was not. I say !include due to reliable sources demonstrating it as Pop. Also, I will note (though it isn't a reliable source) that the Wikiproject 'Pop' is also added to the article's talk page. Tutelary (talk) 16:45, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Beyoncé (album)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Beyoncé (album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "slate":

  • From Partition (song): Haglund, David; Wickman, Forrest (December 13, 2013). "Beyoncé Sampled the French Version of The Big Lebowski". Slate. Graham Holdings Company. Retrieved January 4, 2014.
  • From The Daily Telegraph: Curtis, Bryan (25 October 2006). "Strange days at the Daily Telegraph". Slate.com. Retrieved 2 May 2010.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:23, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Album Genre

@Adabow, Prism, My love is love, Petergriffin9901, SNUGGUMS, Andre, HĐ, and Andrzejbanas:

Hello, there has been some contention around the genre field recently and so I was wondering whether editors supported or opposed the edition of "pop" to the infobox? The Daily Telegraph calls it the most X-rated pop album since Madonna's Erotica and Consequence of Sound characterizes it as pop too. However, when I was writing the Composition section, I noticed that very few songs were thought of as pop—"Pretty Hurts" and maybe "Blue", but not others. This makes me question whether this truly is a pop album, are the reviewers being generic here (i.e. calling it pop because of Beyoncé's past work) or is it their genuine assessment? I'd really appreciate the comments of those I pinged and who are familiar with Beyoncé, pop/music/album articles and categorizing genres. And also the comments of the IP/IPs who have been editing the page recently and anyone else with thoughts. Best, —JennKR | ☎ 23:52, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Before anything else, list sources that describe it as something other than a pop album. I should also add that genres are often (but not always) used to oversimplify an album's content. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:58, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
My hands are tied at the moment (to examine all of the potential sources), but to give a brief snapshot, the sources use electro R&B most, with some using futuristic R&B, although both can be seen as derivatives of alternative R&B (abbrv. PBR&B). Sources also use (to less of an extent) pop, hip hop, soul and neo soul. Note that I'm not questioning R&B (in whatever vein it comes in) as the primary genre here, it is certainly more prevalent than pop, it's just to what extent pop is important. —JennKR | ☎ 00:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Here's what I've found so far:
Alternative R&B
Pop
Soul

Rolling Stone (electro soul)

I think Alternate-R&B and Pop suffices as main genre for the album, seeing all the sources listed. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 07:55, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
I think that this case is a type of WP:SYNTH. This happens a lot in music articles. It says "If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources". For me I'd prefer saying it's "alt. R&B" rather than pop, because most of the reviewers indicate the album as alt. R&B, Simon (talk) 08:05, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
HĐ is right- we cannot include WP:SYNTH, better to just use R&B as more sources use that. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Three sources shouldn't be ignored and they were all quite specific. If you want to place R&B first be my guest, but I don't see why we are ignoring pop if it's just as prominent. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

@Andrzejbanas: If so it will be a case of WP:SYNTH. Simon (talk) 04:57, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

So? I'm not considering a combination of the two, I'm considering adding it as it's still relevent. I didn't say make it "Pop-R&B" or something, i'm suggesting to include pop. It's actually better than the R&B ones, because we are assuming R&B after reading several different variations of the genre. Andrzejbanas (talk) 10:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
So which genre is better? Alt-R&B or pop? 183.171.162.18 (talk) 08:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Lead

I think that the sentence "It has been identified as one of the most explicit albums ever recorded," sounds quite odd. "Ever recorded" by Beyonce, or in the music history? Simon (talk) 10:22, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

This must have slipped by me! Its intended as "in popular music", do you think this should be clarified? —JennKR | ☎ 15:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Is it missing something?

@HĐ, Adabow, Lolcakes25, My love is love, IndianBio, and Prism: Hello, I was wondering if I could have your opinion on something? The one thing that makes me reluctant to take this article further than GA is the sense I get that it's missing something. I feel like this may be to do with the Visuals section, and I'm wondering what you all thought about that section as it stands now? Do you think this section is missing a synopsis section, similar to the Composition section, where there is a description of each video? Or is it something else, perhaps not even related to Visuals? I would appreciate all of your comments. Best, —JennKR | ☎ 15:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion, the section is fine. It has the answers to the most important questions - when and where the music videos were filmed, why Beyoncé decided to film a clip for every track, how they were shot and released. However, I think that it lacks information about who Beyoncé collaborated with for the visuals. And I'm not sure whether you should add something about her style and the fashion used (There are many sources and interviews about that [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]). I think that including information about the synopsis of each video would be unnecessary since that is included in the respective songs' articles. I Am... ***D.D. 21:22, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
@JennKR:, I sincerely apologize for the late response. Was checking my old notifications and saw this. I belive the article is perfect as it is and unless Knowles does something drastic to shake up the album, the project is done as it is. I believe you can steamroll it through FA. PS, did you action on the item in the below section? Mediatraffic has been sitting a little bit too long comfortably in the article. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 06:58, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Worldwide sales

@JennKR:, I'm leaving the note here instead of removing the Worldwide sales. The source used, World Music Awards, is citing the United World Chart (Mediatraffic) for getting the album sales. Now Mediatraffic is a gross unreliable source and is listed at WP:BADCHARTS. So since you are a primary contributor, request you to revert the world wide sales to the previous amount, sourced to a reliable citation. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 18:49, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Just to let you know I've seen this and will get back to you soon. Best, —JennKR | ☎ 12:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@IndianBio: Hello, sorry about this, I was working on getting something to GA. I just have one question, how do you know that WMA is using Mediatraffic for their album sales? Nevermind, a comparison between there news articles and Mediatraffic confirms this. I've changed the source. Best, —JennKR | ☎ 21:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Platinum Edition

Looks like a new edition is coming soon. RatiziAngeloucontribs 23:48, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

It's coming out November 24th, 2014 and has 4 discs. RatiziAngeloucontribs 23:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
According to a well-trusted fansite this is indeed happening and it will be 4-discs, but I believe we should wait for confirmation from one of her team or a press release as such a source will be more authoritative. Undoubtedly either one of these will come along soon. —JennKR | ☎ 21:03, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Sales misunderstanding

The US sales in the certifications table at 2,400,000 in the HDD article, although somewhat accurate, is not accounting for actual sales but rather TEA sales (track equivalent albums). This means that every album sold, plus every 10 tracks from the album sold is converting into another album sale. (eg. 10 album sales + 10 track sales = 11 album sales). The actual sales of the album in the US is at around 2.08M, however I will not revert this as of now as I do not currently have the most recent sales source. Just a heads up though if this ever gets nominated for FA in the near future. ThirdWard (Lolcakes25) (talk) 13:32, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Understood, it may be possible to footnote your explanation above. I'll see if I can ASAP. —JennKR | ☎ 21:05, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Accolades - AMA's

2014 American Music Awards

"BEYONCÉ" - FAVORITE ALBUM - SOUL/R&B http://www.theamas.com/nominees/2014-nominees/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:6580:3A01:35B9:C658:9B6:E58E (talk) 15:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Platinum edition

Obviously the platinum edition has just been announced, so keep a look out for new sources and info for additions to the track listing, commercial performance, critical reception etc when it is released.

I believe the new track-listing for the second audio CD is: "MORE AUDIO CD 7/11 Flawless Remix (Featuring Nicki Minaj) Drunk in Love Remix (Featuring JAY Z & Kanye West) Ring Off Blow Remix (Featuring Pharrell Williams) Standing on the Sun Remix (Featuring Mr. Vegas)" taken from here ThirdWard (Lolcakes25) (talk) 14:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Since the 7/11 single page has not been created yet, here is a source for the single cover art posted on her website for future reference since I know in the past sourcing of single covers has been debated http://www.beyonce.com/711/ – I know the cover is merged with a soundcloud link, but it confirms it is the cover for when others appear online ThirdWard (Lolcakes25) (talk) 16:21, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
The article is created. Check 7/11 (song). I Am... ***D.D. 17:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
woops must have missed it, well I know you've seen the above now and will as always do amazing work on the article! ThirdWard (Lolcakes25) (talk) 18:06, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Accolade Section

The accolade/award section looks messy. Can somebody clear it up by adding a table? thumbnail

Too Many Articles

This album and it's re release does not merit 3 separate articles all essentially saying the same thing. The article for the box set and the "More" ep are superfluous. They were released separately digitally for fans who already purchased the first two discs. Note, iTunes does NOT call it "More" on it's own. It's titled "Beyoncé [Platinum Edition] (More)". Why are we not merging this into one article? RatiziAngeloucontribs 17:01, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Album chart template

Hi Jenn and the other editors, while fixing some template related errors in the article, I noticed that manual referencing is being used for the chart section even though the same references are generated from the {{album chart}} template. Is there any reason? The manual references take a lot of space and article size and is strongly discouraged. Should be used only, if source is dead, missing etc. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 06:49, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, there is a problem with many charts as references are created incorrectly due to the "é" character. Mayast (talk) 15:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

To do

  • Background - ce, more on Mrs. Carter Show, general atmosphere of wait for new album?
  • Recording - ce, replace or change image?
  • Composition - ce, more focus on general sound of the album? Deeper discussion of feminism?
  • Visuals and artwork - re-write, video content, themes, style?
  • Release and reaction - re-write, w/particular focus on aftermath
  • Promotion/singles - ce
  • Critical reception - ce (+Christgau)
  • Accolades - re-write, sharpen retrospective comments
  • Commercial performance - ce
  • References/notes - tighten

—JennKR | ☎ 23:26, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Worldwide Sales

According to MediaTraffic, the album has sold 1,4 Million copies in 2013 and 2,289 Million copies in 2014. Total=3,689 WW in two years. I personally don't believe in the UK charts source that usually gets what the record label says. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 21:55, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

The Official Charts Company is far more reliable than MediaTraffic.de (which I believe is an unreliable source on WP, see above discussions), and to at least my knowledge, do not use reports from record labels. —JennKR | ☎ 00:24, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
She only sold 2,14 Million in the US... that means she has sold like 3 Million outside the US? that's probably impossible. I guess this needs another source. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 23:40, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
The OCC get their worldwide sales information from the IFPI, the most reliable organisation for worldwide single and album sales. The IFPI's head office is situated in London, as is the OCC's. It is most likely that the 5 million figure is including shipments, but that is more than allowed in certification/sales tables. ThirdWard (talk) 17:29, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Best surround album?

Last night the album won Grammy for "best surround album". Can anyone point out where and how this surround version has been released? Blu ray, DVD, digital download?--178.203.152.74 (talk) 23:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

The Grammy is awarded based on how well an album is mixed by the sound engineers and executive producers. The "surround version" you're speaking of is every version of the album ever released, on all formats. ThirdWard (talk) 17:33, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

List of studios in infobox?

Is there some reason why we're not using the Studio field in infobox?
With multiple recording locations, the list of studios could be collapsed (like with The 2nd Law) – although I'm not a huge fan of that solution and would prefer a fully visible list here. — Mayast (talk) 17:13, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I've added a collapsable list as I think the list of studios would be too long when fully visable - although I too prefer the latter. —JennKR | ☎ 21:56, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

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Sales

Please update this woman's album sales. Instead of using a source from 7 years ago, lets use more updated source. All her album sales are lower than what they actually are. Yall always do this to BLACK WOMEN. Yall do it to janet and now beyonce. Do better.https://www.huffpost.com/entry/according-to-nielsen-soundscan-a-breakdown-of-beyonces_b_58288b10e4b02b1f5257a471 this the link with all her CONFIRMED album sales. with yall racist bigoted tails. and I said what i said — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miaxhy (talk • contribs) 03:30, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

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