Talk:Between you and I

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Did you know... that in The Merchant of Venice, Shakespeare may have committed "a grammatical error of unsurpassable grossness"?

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Unsurpassable grossness[edit]

Could we have some more detail on the "unsurpassable grossness" quote, please? Garner is given as the source, but did he use that phase, or quote someone else? In what context? This should be made clear in the prose. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:54, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with the entire part about Shakespeare is that it's advocacy, not encyclopedic content. Shakespeare wrote a play and that was a line of dialog from a specific character. Not all characters speak in a manner we would call correct, and Shakespeare's plays are no exception. There are plenty of instances of specific characters making errors in grammar while other characters in the same play use correct grammar to say the same thing. The statement that a character in a play misused the language is factual. The argument that it makes it acceptable as general use is opinion, and based on a tenuous argument.

In Othello, Cassio says "To who?" Later in the play, Desdemonda says "To whom, my lord? with whom? how am I false?" That doesn't mean that Shakespeare felt that "To who?" was good grammar. Hagrinas (talk) 00:59, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hagrinss, you should take that up with Shakespeare’s critics.

I have made some changes to address some of that, as well as the problem that the phrase is used as a "label" for a particular construction with any pronouns. Garner's quote, for instance about "unsurpassable grossness" apparently referred to a use of "he and I". --Boson (talk) 21:48, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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