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Theatre productions of Dan Leno[edit]

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Nominator(s): CassiantoTalk and Ssilvers (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Leno, the leading English music hall comedian of his day, became, later in his career, chiefly known for his pantomime dame roles in the lavish, spectacular and very popular Christmas pantomimes at London's Theatre Royal, Drury Lane, from 1888 to 1904. Earlier last year, Ssilvers and I successfully saw through the promotions of Dan Leno to FA and his list of songs sketches and monologues to FL status. As we went along, we researched his pantomimes and his handful of other theatre productions and compiled this short list, which also supports the main article. We feel confident that this article conatins a thorough and comprehensive list of Leno's theatrical productions and that it meets the criteria needed for FL consideration. We invite any comments and suggestions, which would be greatfully received.CassiantoTalk 11:25, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Further to the above, for anyone interested in Leno's pantomime and theatrical acting career, as opposed to his far more extensive music hall career, this list article, including its sortable table of the theatrical productions in which Leno performed, gives, in convenient format, details about all of the theatrical productions in which Leno had acting roles that would have been too detailed for the main Leno article. We look forward to your comments. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support – comprehensive, well-documented, with highly readable introduction. I don't see how this could be improved at all. Tim riley (talk) 11:04, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I had my say in PR and made a few little technical tweaks during the development process. It's a very good article indeed: it covers what it needs to, and does so in a very readable way. The table is noce and sortable and I think it all works OK, from what I can see. I've not done the images to any great depth, but they look good on a cursory scan of the licenses. Nice work. - SchroCat (talk) 18:40, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review and advice, SchroCat. Wikipedia would not look as good without knowledgeable contributors like you! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image check - all OK. Some need slightly different tags or a bit more details. Sources and authors provided, where available.

  • File:Leno_as_Sister_Anne_1901.jpg - not OK. 1901 is too new for PD-70. However, PD-1923 together with PD-UK-unknown will work (if you did a "reasonable enquiry" for the author without success).
  • File:Leno3.jpg - not OK. Same as above, try PD-1923 and PD-UK-unknown if author can't be found
  • not listed remaining 5 images - all OK.

Cassianto asked me for a quick image check, but i won't formally vote, as i know not enough about the specific FLC-criteria. Nevertheless it looks like a great list with a lot of effort being spent on it. GermanJoe (talk) 20:49, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks again GJ for taking the time to review the images it is really appreciated. -- CassiantoTalk 11:19, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're welcome, was fun to read up on an unfamiliar topic (status updated). Btw, is it "Sister Ann" or "Sister Anne"? Microscopic nitpick, but list and caption have both spellings. GermanJoe (talk) 12:10, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is "Sister Anne". I have requested that the file be renamed to reflect the correct spelling. Thanks! -- CassiantoTalk 15:56, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you GermanJoe. Yes, I agree that it is Anne. If you google this pantomime, you can see the name spelled both ways, but this poster shows that at Drury Lane they spelled it "Anne" in this production. Of course, Bluebeard is a french fairy tale, so it is only a translation. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:12, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. A nice list. I have not noticed any particular problem. Ruslik_Zero 19:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. A very nice piece of work - well done! The table is well-organised, accessible and functional. Normally I might have preferred the production as the row header, but productions are not unique and some of the titles are very long, so you made a better choice by using the date. Just a few minor points about the images: a couple of them have empty alt tags, which should only happen for decorative images that have no link, because otherwise a screen reader will get a link announced but not necessarily know where the link goes. There are also a lot of images; on my widescreen monitor they extend at least one picture beyond the bottom of the article. My advice is to prune a few of them out - remember that images are meant to illustrate a point that you are making relevant to the article/list, not just to decorate it. Some are useful to show how Leno dressed for his parts, or how he was caricatured, but I'm not sure of the point being made by Augustus Harris.jpg or Leno, Danvers and Campbell.jpg, for example. It would be quite possible to create a commons category called 'Dan Leno' and use the template {{Commons category|Dan Leno}} on the page (and other pages!) to direct viewers to the entire category - that's the normal advice if you have a lot more pictures than can be comfortably accommodated on the page. Nevertheless, the points I raise above are minor and do not detract from my support for this very well-executed list. --RexxS (talk) 21:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you RexxS. Your support, as always, is valued. The category sounds like a great idea! i havent a clue how to do it, but I shall ask about and read up on the instructions. I will also check the alts again later today. We played around with the images on big, medium and small screened devices so we could get everything to fit, which it did. However, if you say the images are causing a bleed into the next section we may have to discuss a further prune. Ss, which shall we go for? I was thinking Marie Lloyd? -- CassiantoTalk 00:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Rexx. Yes, I deleted Lloyd and moved the right-facing cartoon up to the text. That should do it. I don't see any empty alt tags, though. Do you see what Rexx means? -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:37, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's a useful Firefox addon called "Web Developer Toolbar" that adds some neat tricks like outlining images with empty alt attributes - I find it very useful to spot missing alts. I've added some example alt text (which was missing) to the lead image. The 'Dame trot' had alt text but you hadn't put "alt=". I've moved the images outside of the table in wiki-text to make the table self-contained if anybody wants to copy it. Finally, I've moved up the left-side cartoon one paragraph as it otherwise pokes down into the Productions section on my monitor and moves the entire table over by 150px! The other option would be to use {{-}} before == Productions == to force a break. Please excuse me and feel free to revert, alter or re-use any of these changes - I just thought they were easier to do than try to describe them to you. --RexxS (talk) 17:28, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have taken up your advice and I'm now trying to understand the workings of the Toolbar. In relation to the moved image, I am getting a bit of text squeeze on my small screened device, but I suppose what works for one won't always work for the other. Your edit looks great for me, thanks again! -- CassiantoTalk 00:11, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Those changes seems good, Rexx. Thanks for fixing the alt text. I put the left-side cartoon back where it was (as Cassianto says, that caused more problems for most viewers), but I added the {{-}} as you suggested. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:46, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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