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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by NapHit 08:15, 25 December 2012 [1].

Nelly discography[edit]

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Nominator(s): I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:52, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because having extensively redeveloped all of the prose, tables and references, I feel that it now meets all of the FL criteria. Any criticism would be helpful if it improves the page. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:52, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 23:14, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "others – Nelly pursued" I feel that should be semi-colon or period, rather than an en-dash
  • "United States as of January 2011" add comma after "States"
  • "it reached number one on the Billboard 200" only "Billboard" should be in italics without "200", as done in the above prose of the article
  • "was also released during 2002" instead say "was released in that same year", or something
  • "List of albums, with selected chart positions, sales figures and certifications" missing something? For header, like say it is "Studio albums", then it should be "List of studio albums ...", as done on other discography featured lists, the issue only seems to occur in the "Studio album" and "Other charted songs" sections anyway
  • Notes shouldn't be in capitals, as per MOS:CAPS
I cannot recall a single featured list that has not used capital letters for the notes in the past. In truth, I feel that some aspects of MOS are somewhat outdated, as they are meant to reflect general consensus and the wide accepted use of alternative rules suggests changes are necessary. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notes shouldn't be in bold, per MOS:BOLD and such
There are numerous examples of featured lists being passed that have bolded notes in some way. Also, see my rant on the previous point. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • In notes, the Billboard stuff should be linked
  • Done Linked the first mention on the Billboard Hot 100, as with all of the other charts mentioned in the notes.
  • "Yahoo!." remove the "!" to avoid doubled period glitches caused by {{cite web}} templates
  • In some references, like ref. 12, stuff like "(select "Singles" tab)" I would personally move that to the end of the reference and say "Note: ..."
I see your thinking, but I don't think this is necessary. It's kind of the whole point of a "note" section of a reference in the first place, and I think readers would probably interpret the instructions exactly the same way. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Double quotes (") in reference titles should be single quotes ('), as per WP:MOS, in order to avoid doubling, I see numerous concerns with this in reference titles, please check through
  • Too many external links per WP:ELNO, I'd say three at the most
Nothing, unless I'm blind, in WP:ELNO on the number of external links permitted. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order in this case
Ditto: as far as I can tell, nothing on the order of the links. Besides, to me it seems more logical to place the artists' official website at the top of the list, as it's directly connected to the artist in question and a link of a different nature to the others. The other three, being general sources, are listed together themselves. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]


TBrandley 17:26, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I hope that's everything. Thanks for the rapid response. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. TBrandley 23:14, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)
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  • "making it the fourth highest-selling hip hop album." - I feel like we're missing "of all time"
  • were solicited from Nellyville, - So what, you had to ask for them?
  • Double check for hyphens where there should be dashes
  • Any reason for abandoning non-breaking spaces in the article?
  • I was referring to the 300+ non-breaking spaces that advisor.js suggests. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:27, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Putting non-breaking spaces before dashes in these tables should be avoided, as it moves the dashes off-centre within the cell (slightly to the right). Also, using it reference titles including dashes hardly seems necessary as it does not visibly alter the appearance of the text or make it any easier to read. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anything notable about his music videos or other recordings?
  • I suggest you archive the online sources to ensure you don't have a merry time chasing down replacements in a year.

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:05, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support on prose. Looks like a solid list (seems I missed your replies on my watchlist, sorry!) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:09, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:09, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Is there not a more up-to-date image than a 2007 pic of Nelly?
  • Is his membership of St Lunatics relevant to this discog? Are you intending to include all his work with that band here? If not, I'm not sure you need so much detail on it.
  • It's only there for a little background on how his solo career began - as I have been told often, the leads to discographies need such background to make them less a jumble of chart positions. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair enough but his releases with St Lunatics aren't listed here so perhaps just a single sentence noting his affiliation is all that's required. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Has M.O. been released yet? If not, I would suggest a note to that effect.
  • Not keen on the row span for the odd occasion where two consecutive singles chart in the same position. Just keep it simple. Otherwise I'd expect you to row span all those "non-charting" entries... and that would look really messy. And where would you stop? Next you'd have a colspan across an entire single that didn't chart anywhere....
  • I think you're mistaken. The reason that the chart positions are across two cells are because "Flap Your Wings" and "My Place" were released as a double A-side single in those territories, so they charted together. There's even a note explaining this. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check for misuse of pp. which should only apply to multiple pages, e.g. ref 51.

The Rambling Man (talk) 08:11, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • What does N/A mean in some of the album cells? Do you really mean "Non-album track"?
  • That's what it means, yes, but I personally don't think it reads that well. The N/A template has been used in a large number of Guest appearance tables in the past to indicate that a song has not appeared on an official album - and, since there's been no real uprising over the issue, I presume that readers can work out what it means in this case. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure, I've seen dozens of discogs which say "Non-album track" which is direct and clear as opposed to "N/A" which means "not applicable" which is somewhat nebulous. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hm. Just previewed the table wih "Non-album song" in use and it actually looks OK. However, other editors at FLCs have instructed me to use n/a (which, as you might have guessed, I prefer personally), which is why I usually feel comfortable taking into FLCs. Perhaps we should take a consensus. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 19:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, it's not a big deal but let's see if anyone else has an opinion. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:07, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As this doesn't seem to be going anywhere, I have a proposal: if someone else - just one user - mentions this point in their FLC comments, then I will make the change. If no one does, then it can stay the same. If you disagree with this idea, then I will make your suggested change for consistency's sake. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 10:55, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind. Making the change. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Holiday56 (talk) 07:27, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "most successful song for several years" → "most successful song in several years"
  • The second to the last sentence in the lead ("...the first single from 5.0...") needs to be sourced using ref 3.
  • The lead reads "E.I. (Reinvention)", while the other charted songs section reads "E.I." (Reinvention). If you choose to use the latter variation, the second quotation mark shouldn't be wikilinked with the rest of the title.

Holiday56 (talk) 12:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All done. Thanks for your comments, as always.I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:29, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Great work on the discography. Holiday56 (talk) 07:27, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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