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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 07:49, 16 April 2012 [1].

List of accolades received by The Lord of the Rings film trilogy[edit]

List of accolades received by The Lord of the Rings film trilogy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Ruby 2010/2013 19:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC), User:Glimmer721[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because, after a lot of work, I believe this amazing trilogy deserves the FL star, particularly in preparation for the release of The Hobbit. Thanks in advance for your comments. Ruby 2010/2013 19:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Co-nominator here: This was a list I tried to improve by adding references to back in early 2011 but eventually stopped; in November I noticed Ruby had begun working on it and asked if we could collaborate. This is my first foray into featured lists so I've kind of watched and learn; hopefully I can learn from this nomination, too! Glimmer721 talk 01:28, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Jimknut (talk) 18:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Some comments
  • "the plot follows the hobbit Frodo Baggins and the rest of the Fellowship of the Ring" Some how "and the rest" doesn't sound right. Perhaps something like "and his fellow members of the"? Also the link to "Fellowship of the Ring" needs to be redone so it doesn't redirect.
  • "many of the actors were also recognized for their individual work, including McKellen (12 nominations), Serkis, (10 nominations), Astin (9 nominations), and Mortensen (5 nominations)." No comma after Serkis.
  • "The film holds the record for most Oscars won, as it earned eleven Academy Awards alongside Titanic and Ben-Hur." The first part of the statement seems to contradict the second part. How about "the film won a total of eleven Academy Awards, thus tieing with Titanic and Ben-Hur for the most Oscars won."? Jimknut (talk) 00:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support — Looks very good. Jimknut (talk) 18:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

  • This looks good to me, great work. But please check for double links to WP articles in the plain text and the awards tables. E.g. Andy Serkis has been linked several times. De728631 (talk) 16:10, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Think I straightened this out with Fellowship--do you want things linked again for the other two movies? Glimmer721 talk 22:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • User:Ucucha/duplinks.js is useful for checking this, if you need it. To jump in on this comment, the only link I think should be repeated under each film's headings would be the link for the film in question—for instance, if The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers is linked earlier in the article, it should still be linked in the heading for its awards. GRAPPLE X 22:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 20:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Super quicky - make sure the tables meet MOS:DTT with row and col scopes. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the col scopes, but are the row scopes normally done with accolades lists? I was just reviewing recent lists like this and this, and didn't notice them. My apologies if I misinterpreted something. Ruby 2010/2013 21:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think you could do row scopes with the accolade names. That would make perfect sense to me, but then I'm no expert I'm afraid, that's what I'd do if it was me. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:39, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In case an example would help, this is what you did do you when you were you, Rambling Man. :P GRAPPLE X 05:01, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, have added row scopes. A couple errors results when I inputted the !scope="row" parameter in addition to an award that already had the colspan=2 parameter (see Art Directors Guild for example). I can't seem to figure out how to get rid of that centered, bolded category. Any takers? Ruby 2010/2013 22:57, 3 March 2012 (UTC) I tweaked them a bit, so they should be fine now. Ruby 2010/2013 18:38, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "were released serially in December 2001–2003" not keen on this construction. They were released between December 2001 and 2003... and was that a worldwide release?
  • Our own article about Tolkein spaces his J. R. R.
  • Shouldn't "near universal" be hyphenated?
  • Not sure why the Toronto and Austin awards are listed ahead of the the numerous Academy awards and nominations...
    • Those were awards specific to the trilogy as a whole; the Oscars are for each individual film and are in the article later. That's the explanation; I can change it if you would perfer. Glimmer721 talk 00:17, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "recognized" used in consecutive sentences is a little samey.
  • "(for Return of the King). " -> "(for The Return of the King)."
  • Is there a reason for the empty cell in the third column of the Art Directors Guild line? Others of this type have a colspan across those two cells. Same for the American Film Institute Awards in the second and third tables. And MTV Movie Awards and New York Film Critics in the third table... you get my drift.
  • When I adjusted the col and rol scopes at your behest (see above), the formatting came out wonky for some awards (view the edit history [2] to see exactly why it looks odd, especially the Art Directors Guild). The only way I could see to fix it was to add that empty cell. I've tried various formatting and none seem to work. I could use a little help with it, I think. :-/ Ruby 2010/2013 21:13, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, all it took was a helpful example. Fixed the rest. Cheers, Ruby 2010/2013 19:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some award names are separated by en dashes, some by em dashes, be consistent.

The Rambling Man (talk) 13:07, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 13:18, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "were released serially worlwide between December 2001 and 2003." Never heard of "worlwide" before. Either it's a typo or a new word.
    • It is a new word but I changed it for the more widely-recognised "worldwide". GRAPPLE X 01:30, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for catching...it's my typo (like usual). Glimmer721 talk 02:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Fellowship of the Ring: "the first film earned an earned worldwide gross...". One "earned" too many.
    • Changed to "earned a worldwide gross". GRAPPLE X 01:30, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the Ian McKellen caption, can we have a more precise number of nominations than "more than five"?
    • Changed it to "seven individual nominations". Glimmer721 talk 02:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Two Towers: You really don't need another Academy Award link here, as there's a link in the previous section and in the lead. Might be worth checking the other sections to see if any other links can be pruned.
    • Took out any that turned up using Ucucha's duplicate links script. GRAPPLE X 01:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 86 and 136 shouldn't be in all caps.
  • Refs 23, 25, 31, and 97 need en dashes to replace hyphens in their titles.
  • Ref 31 actually needed two dashes, not just one. The second would be for the year range. Others look good now. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed the last one and also scanned the rest of the article for any others. Thanks, Ruby 2010/2013 17:31, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 38 to 41 all appear to come from some fan site. What makes this a reliable source? And if they are Empire magazine reprints, wouldn't it be better to just cite an offline copy of the magazines, which don't have any copyright concerns?
  • Good point. Removed the URLs and merged the four refs into one Ruby 2010/2013 04:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • What makes ref 56 (Oscarsljmen.freehostia.com) a reliable source? Giants2008 (Talk) 01:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's a bit ironic, but there aren't any reliable sources for the 2002 Online Film Critics. I just performed another Google search (and have done several in the past). I have also used the various databases provided by my university library, to no avail. Glimmer has also searched. While I understand that this website is not strictly reliable, I see nothing that indicates the information is incorrect; everything aligns with the Wikipedia article. I'm not sure where else to proceed from here. I could cite the IMdB article, but that isn't reliable either. Ruby 2010/2013 04:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Here you go. Archived version of the 2001 awards on their official site. GRAPPLE X 04:11, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh wow, thank you! You have no idea how much time I've spent in the last several months looking for that! Thanks much, Ruby 2010/2013 04:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Been keeping an eye on this one and its progress, and provided my tweaks here and there don't qualify as active involvement then I'm happy to support it for featured status. GRAPPLE X 11:22, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Image review

Aside from these issues, all used images appear to be free and are properly tagged. Goodraise 17:53, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added the {{information}} templates. Should I just remove the GFDL tags? Will that affect the images' licensing? (they're still covered under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license). Thanks, Ruby 2010/2013 22:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would be one way of "fixing" it. Goodraise 23:43, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Tweaked the licensing in favor of Creative Commons (and removed GFDL). Thanks, Ruby 2010/2013 04:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Revisited. Goodraise 09:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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