Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Atlantic Coast Conference football champions

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The list was promoted 19:49, 9 May 2008.

List of Atlantic Coast Conference football champions[edit]

Self-nomination. I've improved this list over the last few days, adding sources, background, and other information, and I'd like to take the next step and get it certified as a featured list. There's currently no precedent for a featured list of American football championship teams, so any suggestions on the style and/or format would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time, and feel free to contact me either here or on my talk page. JKBrooks85 (talk) 09:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

Image in lead needs a fair use rationale for this article.
Added.
Headings should be per WP:HEAD so "...by Year" is supposed to be "...by year", "Early Era" - "Early era" etc.
Fixed.
Any reason why the table is centrally aligned? And the columns? And why every college is linked each time when the table isn't sortable?
It's more aesthetically pleasing to me when it's centered. And if you could help me make it sortable, I'd greatly appreciate it. Table formatting is not my forte. ... I stick to text editing most of the time.
Note I made the tables sortable. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 04:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You, sir, are the greatest. JKBrooks85 (talk) 05:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your welcome :-) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 07:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"...conference's founding in 1953" - foundation of the conference in 1953.
Changed to "its creation in 1953."
"... did not typically play every possible ACC opponent..." how strange. Can you explain how they chose who they played then?
No, I can't. As best as I can tell, it was a rotating schedule, but I haven't been able to find a source that backs that information up. Today, teams typically play a set conference schedule, then add in non-conference teams as they please, up to the maximum number of regular-season games per year.
The lead requires referencing. Claims such as "...round-robin play became impossible due to NCAA limits on the number of games...", "In 2010, the venue will switch to Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, North Carolina." etc need to be cited.
Cited in Championship game era. I don't go in for citing lede sections if I can make sure that information reappears later in the text.
"...from that season on, the conference champion will be..." - odd tense issue.
Fixed.
6 paras in early era section is too many, it could easily be merged down to two.
I don't know that I can reduce it without losing much of the background and other information. It can't be easily moved, since there's no article that addresses ACC football champions; this is really the best spot for it, as far as I can tell.
Scoreboard image caption is a fragment so lose the period.
Unless I'm missing something, that's a complete sentence.
Did I miss the bit where you explained why there could be multiple champions?
Second paragraph, second sentence of the lede.
Tense in the notes changes from past to present - be consistent.
Fixed.
Punctuation also in the notes needs to be consistent (i.e. add periods).
Fixed.
Ref 7 seems to have a rogue ].
Fixed.
Ref 7 and Ref 21 refer to a specific page - be consistent - either Page (or preferably p) or nothing.
Fixed. Reference 9 also deals with a specific page number, but as far as I can tell, those are the only ones that have multiple pages.

That's a start. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know what else I can do, and I'd really appreciate some help making the table sortable when you have a chance. Thanks! JKBrooks85 (talk) 23:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from PG Pirate 14:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikilink the Atlantic/Coastal division to their area on the Atlantic Coast Conf page.
  - Done.
- Only wikilink the first mention of each team on the table, minus year specific team pages.
  - I had thought that if the table was sortable, you needed to link each school repeatedly. Is that the case? JKBrooks85 (talk) 21:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay; change has been made now that I've got an answer. JKBrooks85 (talk) 08:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - another great list, PG Pirate 13:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs)

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Support Looks great, all my issues were addressed. One thing, Florida State is linked twice in the first table. Delink the second instance. Good work. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 08:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Ben MacDui

Lead "due to NCAA limits on the number of games a team". Was there more than one limit?

Clarified.

Early era "saw Duke and Maryland crowned conference champions" - co-champions?

Replaced.

"Virginia was the first non-Southern Conference member to join the new conference, as Virginia had participated in football as an independent since 1936." This did not make any obvious sense to me on first reading. Is the implication that Virginia had not been involved in any other conference since 1936? Who did they play? (You did say that you wanted input from "someone who's unfamiliar with American football").

They played whoever they wanted to. They simply had to enter into contracts with individual teams, as is done with non-conference teams today.

"The Atlanta school had withdrawn" You are assuming that everyone knows Atlanta is in Georgia - this may be fine as most readers are likely to be American, but just so you know.

Fixed.

"Though the school joined the conference beginning with the 1979 season, it did not become eligible to win the ACC football championship until the 1983 season" That's interesting. Why?

I'd assume it's because of a probationary period, but I haven't been able to find a link that explicitly states that. If I do, rest assured, I'll put it in there.

"the league was forbidden from hosting a championship game" also in the lead. I don't know what a "championship game" is. Is there something you could link it to? (I now get it as its explained lower down. An earlier link would still be useful if you can find one.)

It's linked in the third paragraph of the lede, and I've relinked it in that section as well.

Championship game era "was awarded a bid to the conference championship game" This is probably standard US English. Does it mean "was offered the opportunity to play in the conference championship game"? A 'bid' sounds like it is contingent. Is it not automatic? Can 'bid' be linked?

Changed to "an invitation."

Champions by year 1983: "Clemson finished undefeated against ACC opponents, but was ineligible for the 1983 conference title etc." It may be my browser but there are long breaks between some lines.

"Florida State defeated Coastal Division champ Virginia Tech." Surely 'champion(s)'?

Fixed.

Refs

It is polite to add (pdf) where appropriate as not everyone's browser shows the acrobat icon.

Good to know. I'd always wondered why folks asked me to put that PDF tag in there. Fixed.

16 and 22 are the same

What do you mean? They go to different pages.

Apologies - its 16 and 23.

Ah, okay. Should've seen that the first time. Thanks! Fixed.

Ben MacDui ^Talk/Walk 20:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First round of changes made. JKBrooks85 (talk) 20:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Thanks for fixing these, but please attend to the final item above as well. Ben MacDui ^Talk/Walk 16:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support. I've fixed that niggling little problem. JKBrooks85 (talk) 06:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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