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The list was promoted by Giants2008 1:08, 21 September 2015 (UTC) [1].

Leo Carrillo on stage and screen[edit]

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Nominator(s): — Maile (talk) 18:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I began this list a year ago after seeing a Leo Carrillo mini-film festival on his birthday. All I previously knew was his one television series, and that his name is on parks in California in honor of his environmental and preservationist efforts. Somewhat amazed at the extent of his acting career, I also began creating stubs of his movies, if no article yet existed, to understand the diversity in his career. Leo Carrillo had a long career in starring roles and also character roles. I feel like I uncovered a gem of entertainment history, and believe the subject matter is worthy of FL. — Maile (talk) 18:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. — Maile (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note for the delegates, that DoDung2001 has been indef blocked. Cowlibob (talk) 23:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from FrB.TG
Resolved comments from Frankie
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  • About the hatnote—"This article is about the acting career of Leo Carrillo. For details on his life, see Leo Carrillo."—it is pretty obvious that the article Leo Carrillo "on stage and screen" summarizes his acting career. You don't even need that note. checkY Removed. — Maile (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Leo Carrillo Spanish pronunciation: [Cay-reel-yo][a](1881–1961) was best known to American children" – what was he? First mention his profession, and then what he was famous for. May be like "Leo Carrillo was an American actor, best known..." checkY — Maile (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alternative text (ALT) needed for the file Leo Carillo Pancho Cisco Kid.jpg. checkY — Maile (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dates like in "Mar 08, 1915" format is not acceptable. Either have the full date, as "March 8, 1915", or just mention the year (which I think is better). checkY — Maile (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think references in the table look better in the center. checkY — Maile (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tables might be given shades to meet MOS:ACCESS.
@FrB.TG:, You got me on this one. I added "wikitable sortable plainrowheaders". On the tables, I already see gray shading on the header rows. I've looked at your Brad Pitt filmography and see column shading on the first column, but cannot see any coding that tells me how you did that. And is that what you are talking about? — Maile (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It can be given shades with !scope="row". Below are a few more comments I have posted. -- Frankie talk 08:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
checkY Taken care of. — Maile (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since Los Angeles Times is a magazine, you need to italicize it in ref 3. checkY — Maile (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Publishers/newspapers/magazines or so like Los Angeles Time, American Film Institute etc. need to be linked. checkY Although American Film Institute and other publishers only linked once, so as not to add too much size to the article.
  • For references, 20em is a bit too much. Maybe 30em? checkY — Maile (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why don't you use the References section as a subsection to Notes. checkY — Maile (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you got some spare time and interest, can you comment here (if any)? -- Frankie talk 20:57, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And, yes, I will have a look at your Brad Pitt FLC, perhaps tomorrow. — Maile (talk) 23:09, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the stage section, "Notes" and "Ref(s)" do not need to be sortable. checkY — Maile (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • In Television's table "1950–1956" should be changed to "1950–56".checkY — Maile (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Using rowspan is discouraged (as seen in the Feature films section) by WP:FILMOGRAPHY. -- Frankie talk 08:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC) checkY Undid the row spans completely.— Maile (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @FrB.TG: Thank you for your attention to this. If you notice anything else, please let me know. After reading the Brad Pitt filmograhy, it seemed a good visual on Leo Carrillo for me to add align="center"
  • Support – nothing else to quibble about. Good job. -- Frankie talk 14:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. — Maile (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments

– prose looks mostly solid, references check out, image is public domain, and the tables meet WP:MoS standards (per comments by FrB.TG). I made some small tweaks, one moving a wikilink earlier and another to add an abbreviation period to mentions of "Lombardi, Ltd", as "Lombardi, Ltd." is the name listed. The concern for prose I have is in regards to this statement: "Over the course of his movie career, Carrillo made over 80 feature-length films...". According to the listed sources, Carrillo was a star in these movies, but they were made (directed/written) by other people. I'm no movie buff so I could be wrong on this part, but wouldn't it be more appropriate to change "made" to "starred in"? Same concern stems to the "Feature films" section later on with "Feature films of Leo Carrillo". Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:04, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclonebiskit, thank you for the edits. He was the star in his earlier movies, but there were many later movies where he was a character actor or otherwise in lesser roles. So, what I did was change "made" to "appeared in". And I made each section consistent by heading the tables "....credits of Leo Carrillo". Does this take care of your concerns? — Maile (talk) 14:57, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That covers my concerns, and I'm happy to support this list :) Well done, Maile. Only other outstanding concern is that horse's unyielding and terrifying stare will undoubtedly give me nightmares... Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:19, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again. — Maile (talk) 17:26, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from WillC
  • Lead
    • "He was best known to 1950s children's television in the United States as the Cisco Kid's sidekick Pancho" - A bit awkward of sentence. I suggest "He was best known in the United States as the Cisco Kid's sidekick Pancho on 1950s children's television"--WillC 13:43, 13 September 2015 (UTC) checkY Done. — Maile (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • "For his contributions to the entertainment industry, on February 8, 1960 Carrillo received two stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame." - For flow purposes, I suggest "For his contributions to the entertainment industry, Carrillo received two stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on February 8, 1960."--WillC 13:43, 13 September 2015 (UTC) checkY Done. — Maile (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I suggest killing the horse for it is a demon, from the spawn of hell. Make it into glue and send into the sun before it steals the soul of our beloved children.--WillC 13:43, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about????? — Maile (talk) 16:23, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was being funny. The horse in the picture has a stare only Satan would love.--WillC 21:54, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stage
    • Sorting of dates is all wrong. It is sorting alphabetically instead of by the actual dates. August 1923 does not come after January 1926. Opening Date and Closing Dates need fixing.--WillC 13:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
checkY I reworked this so it's only the year, not the months. Sorts like it should now. — Maile (talk) 17:13, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Television
  • Film shorts
  • Feature films
    • Role column does not sort like the rest of the columns do.--WillC 13:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
checkY Done. — Maile (talk) 17:08, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • See also
    • I'd probably link to some Cisco Kid stuff here.--WillC 13:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
checkY I added a link to the Cisco Kid, but anything else out there doesn't seems that relevant to me for here. — Maile (talk) 17:17, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Footnotes
  • Citations
    • Looked into them, don't really recognize any of them. I'm just going to take them in good faith. I assume they've been discussed.
  • References
    • Fine with me. I'm iffy on everything that is published whether book or online (considering The Creature from Jekyll Island exists) but I'll take these in good faith.--WillC 02:43, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • External links
    • I can't think of anything else that would go here other than some sort of template. Maybe a Cisco Kid template would be relevant enough.--WillC 13:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I thought of a Cisco Kid template, because I've also done the Duncan Renaldo filmography. But one does not currently exist. And the more I look into the individual films and other cultural references, it would be a major deal to research and create right now. The Cisco Kid has been around for a century, since 1907. — Maile (talk) 16:29, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine, just a suggestion for the most part to make the article better. Most reviewers just check what is already there, I try to think of ideas on what to add to make it more comprehensive.--WillC 21:54, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support from WillC--WillC 02:43, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. — Maile (talk) 12:16, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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