Wikipedia:Featured article review/Héctor Lavoe/archive1

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The article was removed by Nikkimaria 13:12, 22 March 2012 [1].

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Héctor Lavoe

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Notified: User talk:Caribbean H.Q., Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico

Notified: WP Latin American Music task force, WP Latin America SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I am requesting that this featured article be reviewed further, because I honestly believe it has deteriorated with time. Not sufficient details are developed within the article to elaborate on Lavoe's professional and personal life, particularly in the mid 1970s, when he was most successful. The incidents about his suicide attempt also need better detail -I know this is a controversial topic, because it is really not clear on whether he wanted to take his life, or went through a drug-induced rampage that caused an accidental fall (his own joking about the incident further blurs this). The tone in the paragraphs related to his early life are, IMHO, a bit biased. Further editing has chopped a paragraph or two. In my view, it deserves a GA rating... and that's being generous. Of course, I want it to improve back to FA status. Demf (talk) 15:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any notices that have been given. Brad (talk) 00:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Move to FARC: there are prose and sourcing problems throughout-- I'll give just one example for starters:

Source: http://www.laconga.org/hl_gdominguez.htm

• Source text: CAMPOS donde conoce a un par de niños genios PAPO LUCCA y JOSE FEBLES. Alli empezó recibiendo clases de saxofón y trombón de las que se escapaba con sus amiguitos para irse a nadar en el rio Portugués.
• Article text: Héctor attended the local Juan Morel Campos Public School of Music where the saxophone was the first instrument he learned to play. Among his classmates were Jose Febles and multi-instrumentalist Papo Lucca.

The source does not say that saxophone was the first instrument he learned to play-- it says that he started taking trombone and saxophone classes at the school.

What does this mean?

His grandfather Don Juan Martínez was a singer of controversial songs, which often went from vocal conflict to physical confrontations.

What does this "since" clause apply to?

He moved permanently to New York on May 3, 1963, against his father's wishes, since an older brother had moved to the city and later died of a drug overdose.

There's more ... including a multitude of MOS errors, which I'll detail if someone shows up to work on the article.

However, I am not able to find any indication that User talk:Caribbean H.Q. was in fact notified-- what is going on here ??? I can't find a talk post to his talk page, although there is an indication above that it was done. Nor is there a post to the Puerto Rican Project. Someone please do the notifications so the two-week FAR phase can start. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I just dropped notes on the two pages listed above (Caribbean HQ and PR Project). I saw that they were listed above and didn't both to check the pages. Dana boomer (talk) 03:18, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Prose issues are everywhere, more samples:

He survived the attempt, but from that day forward, he would never completely recover as AIDS began to ravage his body due to the use of intravenous drugs and shared needles.

His body was ravaged because of drugs and needles, or because of AIDS? And repetitive prose:

was a strong seller in Puerto Rico, despite strong protests from Puerto

strong ... strong. There are also bare URLs, non-reliable sources (IMDb), sources not accurately represented (see sample above), dead links, incorrect use of WP:ITALICS, incorrect use of WP:DASHes, and significant uncited text such as:

His addiction resulted in him showing up late for gigs, and he eventually did not show up to some scheduled performances at all. Although Colón would eventually cut ties with him, he tried to help Lavoe seek assistance to try to quit his drug habits.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

• Move to FARC: five days since further notifications, no one has surfaced to work on the article, I suggest moving to FARC to keep the process going, and if someone then shows up, FARC period can be extended. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

FARC commentary

Issues raised in the FAR section include prose, MOS and comprehensiveness. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Comment - Could we get some comments on whether editors feel this meets FA status or should be delisted? Thanks! Dana boomer (talk) 12:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

• Leaning delist if some issues are not addressed. I've added some tags, and there is a bulleted section that could be possibly better written as prose. The prose itself isn't too bad - it is easy to read and errs a little on the colloquial side, but is definitely salvageable. I haven't a clue about the comprehensiveness as I am unfamiliar with the subject. If someone can fix the cites, I am happy to give it a bit of a copyedit to push it towards keep territory, which I don't think is too onerous a task. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

• Ugh, since it requires Spanish language, I guess that's me :) I found instances were text wasn't supported by source, so I'd have to check each. Will get to it if I can, but no promises. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:41, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

• Delist on comprehensiveness. There are at least two full biographies in English (Marc Shapiro. 2007. Passion and pain: the life of Héctor Lavoe; José Pérez, Antonio I. Mejias. 1999. The Hector Lavoe Story: 1946-1993) none of them seem to be used.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:06, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
• Delist per above, major concerns about sources hardly any work being done. What makes americasalsa.com a reliable source for example. Secret ^account 18:42, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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