Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hearst Castle/archive1

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The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 30 July 2020 [1].

Hearst Castle[edit]

Nominator(s): KJP1 (talk) 23:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hearst Castle is quite an interesting building. Designed by Julia Morgan, "America's first truly independent female architect", for the media mogul William Randolph Hearst, in the 1920s and 30s it became a gathering place for many of the Hollywood stars. Trashed by Orson Welles in 1941 as the phantasmagorical Xanadu, home of Citizen Kane, in the 21st century it is one of California's major tourist attractions. It's also got quite a collection of antiques, along with a lot of poured concrete. A very helpful peer review ironed out many errors. All comments gratefully received. KJP1 (talk) 23:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:HearstAbout1910.jpg —not found at source, needs verifiable source for being published before 1925 or being PD for some other reason.
File:Marion Davies Argentinean Magazine AD.jpg — it's unclear whether this image was created or published in 1932. Since both links are dead, needs verifiable source (issue, page number would help). Additionally, I suspect that the magazine has a copyright notice; although it would be possible to check whether it has been renewed.
File:Another room in Hearst Castle 1.jpg — FoP-US only applies to exteriors. Is the copyright status of the artworks, rug, etc. known?
File:Refectory - Hearst Castle - DSC06312.JPG File:A room in Hearst Castle.jpg — ditto; ceiling and wall paneling may well be protected.
File:The Three Graces by Antonio Canova (copy) - Hearst Castle - DSC06413.JPG — although the original is PD, it's unclear if the copy may be protected. No FoP for statues in US.
File:Hearst castle 1.jpg File:Image taken of Doge's Sitting Room from SE Corner.jpg — elaborate interior elements which may be protected by copyright

There are several images which are breaking across sections for me (Roman Pool, Sculptures, Gothic suite, Refectory sections). Could be fixed by scaling down images and/or moving them to the right. b uidhe 08:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Buidhe - Thanks very much for taking a look at these. I've switched the two portraits (Hearst and Davies) for two that are from the Library of Congress, which I hope sorts these. I've also tried to iron out the section breaking. The problem is with the three interior shots and the Three Graces. Is the rationale provided by one of the uploading editors insufficient; "Photograph[y] was permitted without restriction in and around the castle. All artwork is old enough so that it is in the public domain"? The article would be seriously diminished if we had no interior shots of the castle. I'm really keen to keep these if possible and would greatly appreciate any suggestions. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 10:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For Another_room_in_Hearst_Castle_1.jpg It would be sufficient to show that the two large paintings are free, other elements could probably be considered de minimis. For the sculpture, are there other sculptures on the property that would be free of copyright considerations? I am not sure about the other interiors, you might want to consult Nikkimaria who knows more than I do about copyright. Just being OK to photograph does NOT mean that all elements are necessarily copyright free and usable for all Wikipedia purposes. b uidhe 18:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks indeed. I shall check for other sculptures, I’m not set on The Three Graces. For the interiors, of which there aren’t many good shots, I’ll ask Nikkimaria for their take. I absolutely get that we don’t want to infringe copyright on an FAC, but an article on a building without interior shots, when the interiors are arguably more significant than the exteriors, would be a poor thing. KJP1 (talk) 19:18, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

US FoP does actually cover public interiors; however, it doesn't extend to artworks inside that are not part of the building itself, whether 2D (eg File:Stag_hunt,_Franco-Flemish_Gothic,_mille-fleurs_tapestry,_woven_c._1500_AD_-_Hearst_Castle_-_DSC06346.JPG) or 3D (File:Greek_rhyton_in_Library_-_Hearst_Castle_-_DSC06807.JPG). If these elements are PD due to age then they should include an explicit PD tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:41, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nikkimaria - Thanks very much indeed for taking a look. I’m pretty sure that the items showing in the interior shots will be of such age that PD will apply (although not sure of The Three Graces as that’s a later copy). I’ll check them out with my sources and then put the appropriate tags on. Thanks again - it would be a real shame to lose the interior images. KJP1 (talk) 18:13, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note[edit]

Sorry but this one is a bit of a non-starter so I'm going to archive. I wish I'd had more time over the past month to recuse and review myself. Given the lack of comprehensive commentary I'm happy to waive the usual two-week wait for a re-nom -- perhaps getting back to the top of the list will generate more interest the second time round. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 13:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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