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George Floyd (American football)[edit]
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- Nominator(s): Therapyisgood (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Proudly nominating this article for FAC. Instead of PR, I'm hoping an England or UK-based editor can take over where TRM left off before the last FAC was archived. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Image review - pass[edit]
The article uses 2 images ([1] and [2]) from old newspapers from 1977 and 1981. Apparently, the images were published without a copyright notices next to them, which could mean that they are in public domain in the US. These two images were already present during the first FA nomination, where Buidhe raised concerns that there may be a general copyright notice for the newspapers as a whole that covers the images. @Buidhe: has that concern been resolved? Phlsph7 (talk) 09:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't recall. (t · c) buidhe 15:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the timely response. I'm not an expert so I'll probably have to ask at the notice board.
- @Therapyisgood: I had a look at the specific newspaper pages on which these images appear and I did not see any copyright notices. From what I understand from the previous image review, you had a look through the newspapers and the other pages did not contain any relevant copyright notices either, is that correct? Phlsph7 (talk) 08:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Phlsph7: Yes, that is correct. If someone wants to go through all the pages and finds something different from what I found, that would be OK, but I went through all of them and found no copyright notices to speak of. Thank you for bringing this up. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like there is a strong case for them being public domain but since I'm not an expert and the issue was not resolved in the last image review, I asked at the noticeboard just to be on the safe side. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- As long as we can say confidently that there was no copyright notice in the newspaper, we should be fine. Typically, it would be either on the front page or in the masthead. - Jmabel | Talk 14:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just a note that the photos seem to be agency photos of sorts - File:George Floyd playing for Hernando High School, 1977.jpg is marked in the source as a "Tribune Photo" while File:George Floyd Latches Onto the Ball.jpg is sourced to "Herald-Leader". As omitting the notice from comparatively few copies in a low circulation newspaper does not necessarily void the copyright claim, some more research may be needed. Felix QW (talk) 19:44, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Felix QW: I get your point. What kind of research do you have in mind so we can reasonably exclude this possibility? Phlsph7 (talk) 07:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am not sure, since I am not an expert on the subtle points of American copyright formalities – hence the cautious phrasing as a "note". I just always avoid uploading agency images under a no-notice rationale in the first place. Felix QW (talk) 14:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Phlsph7: I cut the images altogether. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Felix QW: I get your point. What kind of research do you have in mind so we can reasonably exclude this possibility? Phlsph7 (talk) 07:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like there is a strong case for them being public domain but since I'm not an expert and the issue was not resolved in the last image review, I asked at the noticeboard just to be on the safe side. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Phlsph7: Yes, that is correct. If someone wants to go through all the pages and finds something different from what I found, that would be OK, but I went through all of them and found no copyright notices to speak of. Thank you for bringing this up. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
PCN02WPS[edit]
Comments to follow. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Lead and infobox
- Recommend switching the way the links to the Jets' seasons are displayed: I think including "the team's" in the link to the 1982 season and "Jets'" in the '84 link make it more clear that you're linking to their season rather than the overall NFL season.
- Done. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a reason the 1983 New York Jets season isn't linked like the '82 and '84 season upon mention?
- Now linked. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "EKU" is used without any explanation; of course, I know what you're referring to but it would be helpful since the full name "Eastern Kentucky University" isn't given in the lead and therefore it might be a little harder for unfamiliar readers to make that connection
- Abbreviated early on now. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "into the College Football Hall of Fame, and the hall of fame" → remove comma
- Cut comma. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "and Hernando High School; in 2009, EKU named" → Recommend splitting into two different sentences
- Split. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Early life
- "attended Hernando High School, and played " → remove comma
- Removed. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Hernando finished as Gulf Coast (GC) Conference champions" → is the "GC" abbreviation used in sources? I find it very strange to exclude the last "C" since many well-known athletic conferences include it (ACC, SEC, MWC, AAC, etc.)
- Fixed. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Leopards' punt returner, and played on offense" → remove comma
- Fixed. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "had a seventy-two yard punt" → add hyphen between "two" and "yard"
- Added. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "during the season, and finished the year" → remove comma
- Removed. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Collegiate career
- I was going to recommend using
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for the image in this section but, and this will sound stupid, I can't find the picture in the code. It doesn't show up in any individual section so I have no idea how it's there. Some explanation would be helpful (more so for my curiosity/confusion than anything).
- I cut the images per above. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Against Jackson State in November, had sixteen tackles" → missing word (he had sixteen tackles)
- Added. Therapyisgood (talk) 16:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "win the 1979 NCAA Division I-AA football championship" → recommend another link to the championship game since it's only previously linked in the lead
- Linked. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- "to the Second-team" → does "Second" need caps here?
- De-capsed. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- "composed of the second-best players in the conference" → "the second-best players in the conference" seems a very ambiguous explanation; recommend "the second-best players at every position..."
- I've reworked this a bit, a bit of a combination of the two. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- "fourth-most on the Colonels, and he led the team" → Oxford comma used here but not with "sixteen tackles, one interception and one fumble recovery" - either way is fine, just should be consistent
- Changed. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- "sixteen seconds left in the game as EKU won 24–20" → sounds like EKU won the game at the same time he picked off the pass with 16 seconds left, recommend changing "as" to something else
- Changed. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- "against the Broncos" → "against Boise State" (update note at the end of the sentence too)
- Changed. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Floyd was in the school's record book no fewer than eight times" → is the exact number not known?
- The source uses the same language. I found EKU's 1982 media guide which does in fact list 8 records dead on for Floyd. I've updated the article accordingly. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Professional career
- "of the 1982 NFL draft, with the 107th" → remove comma
- Changed. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- "John Rowe of The Record described Floyd as a "hard hitter" in July" → this sentence sticks out just a bit; was this in context of his mini-camp/training camp/offseason performance with NYJ or just a review of him as a college player?
- I've tried a reword. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Floyd appeared at both safety spots (both free safety and strong safety)" → repetitive use of "both", recommend nixing the second
- Changed. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Bill Verigan of the New York Daily News" → is there a reason "New York" isn't italicized? The publication's WP article seems to give the whole title italics
- At some point back when I wrote this the NYDN wasn't in all italics, the "New York" part wasn't italicized. I don't have a strong preference either way, so changed. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- "late October, and became a starter" → remove comma
- "Paul Needell of the New York Daily News" → ditto as above
- See above. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Personal life
- Lots of "Floyd" in the first few sentences; most of these can be changed to "He"
- Changed a few, left a few "Floyds". Therapyisgood (talk) 15:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "major at EKU, and wanted to teach" → remove comma
- Removed. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "He married his wife in March 1983" → Any chance her name could be found?
- I cut it per WP:BLPNAME as insignificant to his career. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- "As of 2023, Floyd is a defensive backs coach for Conner High School in Kentucky" → the previous sentence says he is employed at Boone County; does this mean he is employed at Conner too?
- Yes. Unfortunately Boone doesn't have a staff directory on their website (they do but it's blank). It's also not archived at the Internet Archive, so no luck there. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
That's all I've got for prose. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)