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Thank you for voting[edit]

File:In-the-dark.jpg

Thank you for voting in my RfA which at 51/20/6 unfortunately did not achieve consensus. In closing the nomination, Essjay remarked that it was one of the better discussed RfAs seen recently and I would like to thank you and all others who chose to vote for making it as such. It was extremely humbling to see the large number of support votes, and the number of oppose votes and comments will help me to become stronger. I hope to run again for adminship soon. Thank you all once more. Wikiwoohoo 20:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brand[edit]

The discription of the parsonage in Ibsen's Brand, translated by Eli Sonja Vasset:

And here it stands without a fear
Because the glacier passes here
Just when the time of leave sprouts comes
Above the heads like boulder storms
The parsonage protected stands, like in a cascade cave.

--Frode Inge Helland 09:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the Norweigan edition in the beginning of part 3. Brand expresses his dislike of his parsonage and Agnes replies:

Her ligger det dess mere trygt.
Så ytterlig har breen bygt,
at når ved løvspretts-tid den går,
den skrider utenover oss,
og prestehuset urørt står,
som inne i en hulfalls-foss

--Frode Inge Helland 14:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ceyockey RfA[edit]

I appreciate your spending the effort to look into my editing in as much detail as you obviously did in order to emerge with words of support in my RfA. I'm glad that you affirmed Radiant's nomination and I'll be measured in my use of the cleaning closet's contents. I am curious though ... I hadn't realized any of the disputes I've been involved in were "rather famous"; which one were you thinking about? User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA[edit]

Williamborg/archive4, thank you for your support in my RfA which passed on 13th December 2006 with a tally of 49/10/5. I am delighted by the result and a little daunted by the scope of additional responsibilities; I shall be cautious in my use of the new tools. I am well aware that becoming an Admin is not just about a successful nomination, but a continuing process of gaining further experience; for this I shall welcome your feedback. Again, many thanks for supporting my RfA, feel free to contact me if you need any assistance; but lacking superhero powers, I can't magically treat you by the power of the internet, despite your kind faith in my clinical prowess :-) David Ruben 03:24, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas[edit]

Darwinek wishes you a Merry Christmas!

Hi! I just want to say Merry Christmas to you! Have a nice holiday time in, as I hope, snowy Norway. :) - Darwinek 10:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Topographic pictures from Norway[edit]

Happy new year, Bill!

You have probably seen many of these pictures before: Nevetheless, you find them on Commons Category:Topographic pictures from Norway. --84.202.110.67 20:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Sorry, forgot to log in. --Frode Inge Helland 20:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Translation[edit]

Hello my fellow WikiProject Lakes colleague! I would like to ask you if you can translate a tiny stub from NO wiki, no:Briksdalsbreen ? It would be very much appreciated. Thank you. - Darwinek 11:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the translation. I have been there in 2000, beautiful place. I plan to start stub about Dalsnibba mountain in future, currently there is only DE wiki article about it. I have been there in 2000, also. It is a very popular tourist spot located near the magnificient Geirangerfjord. Take care. - Darwinek 20:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I like Poland a lot, too but there are many far more exciting places than Łódź :). I will translate the German one in future (after some exams), and I'll let you know then. - Darwinek 21:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again. Dalsnibba created. Feel free to edit. - Darwinek 23:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I have added a "prod" template to the stub Arnfinn Kjelland, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. If you still believe that the author can assert some notability I suggest that you move this article to the Norwegian Wikipedia, he does not have an entry there. Cheers, ArchStanton 16:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again and thanks for your patronising words and welcome message on my talk page (yes, I have read the introduction already). Seems like I have encountered the unwritten rule that a newbie questioning the work of senior editors will face heavy scrutinisation of their own contributions.
Williamborg response: Guilty as charged on the patronizing words— and acknowledge that even a new editor can make valid comments. As to an unwritten rule—I suspect this is just human nature to respond to a relative new editor who challenges ones work.
On my proposal to delete the article on Arnfinn Kjelland: If you disagree with the nomination you can simply remove the tag and explain why in the edit summary.
Williamborg response: Yes, I know. But I do not remove prods on my own work—I'm hardly dispassionate, as you noted, and may not be the best judge. Will let the closing Admin decide merit.
On your comments about my other edits: Writing new articles is of course important, ensuring that the articles in Wikipedia are of a certain quality is of equal importance. I have reviewed quite a few of the articles on Norwegians, and discovered that many articles, especially on academics and writers, are obviously written by themselves, publishers or business associates to improve their ghits. My so-called ‘campaign’ was that I nominated 4-5 of the ones I thought were obvious for deletion, and warned the authors (if not anonymous). Most of them are now deleted, those contested (I admit that I can be wrong!) can stay – no problem.
Williamborg response: Okay, "campaign" was harsh. I do agree that your work is actually extremely good and that your heart was in the improvement of the Wikipedia.
I will take your advice and do my best to increase the number of articles on notable Norwegian people (especially these, and people/bands in the area of what you referred to as ‘pop culture’). There are some other articles that I would like to see deleted too, but that can wait.
Williamborg response: This is exceptionally good news! Some fraction of new editors are drawn to administrative actions. Soon enough they become administrators with the powers to delete/undelete/block/unblock who render final the judgments on others work; they tend to make better admins when they've done serious contributing/editing before moving ot admin functions. So I have long preferred to see new editors contribute for a while before they go to the admin functions.
Williamborg response: And I do like your intent to contribute to Norwegian writers; there are many holes.
Williamborg response: As to pop culture, I do feel there is already too low a standard, allowing inclusion of Fancruft on Wikipedia, but Wikipedia is a relational database & can accommodate lots of this evanescent material. And I could well be wrong on the enduring value of what I see as Fancruft, so will respect your (and many, many others) contributions.


Until then, cheers ArchStanton 19:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


AFD now opened at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arnfinn Kjelland. GRBerry 15:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll comment. Williamborg (Bill) 02:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanx...[edit]

... for greeting me welcome. And for tips, applying one: (Carl S. Bj 14:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC))[reply]


Help in the article Savage Islands[edit]

There is a war of edition in this article. I din´t do changes only revert the edition of Pedro because he was adding fake information and I show that it is true in the discussion page. The answer of Pedro are things like that:

hã? que estás para ai a dizer seu anormal? --Pedro 18:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The translations is "What are you saying, retarded?" He is menacing me with be banned also but he is not administrator. Please help. Noviscum 21:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arnfinn Kjelland[edit]

I have closed the debate with delete, and I hope that my reasoning is sound for you. Teke (talk) 06:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies[edit]

Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of [unassessed articles] tagged with {{WPBiography}}. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 23:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New article Corfu slide[edit]

Hello, I have started a new article that ties in with your work on the Missoula Floods. Just a start as I need to get to the library for some more research, not much I can find on the web. I live in Othello so I will try to get a picture of the slide later this week and add that to the article. I wonder if you might want to add this new page to the boxes you have put at the bottom of several related articles and on your user page, or can I go ahead and do that myself? Also, are there any other articles/pictures you would like to see on the area that I could help with? Thnx --killing sparrows 03:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. I didn't know how to edit the box but I see that by going to the page Template:Ice Age Floods I can add the page there as you have done. I hope to add some other articles on this topic and I will put them in the template as I do that. I travel alot, heading for St Paul Island, Alaska soon but Othello is my home base so if you ever head out this way let me know!==killing sparrows 17:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Corfu slide[edit]

Hi there! I like the stuff you've added to the article, I haven't been able to get a picture yet but hope to soon. Just as a matter of interest, there is rumored to be a large chunk of ice from the Missoula flood buried under the slide. Early settlers in the region excavated a tunnel into it and used it for food storage at one time. It probably was known to the Indian tribes of the area though I haven't been able to find any documentation of that or the pioneer use, it's all been word of mouth. The entrance was knocked in several years ago when it had become a popular place for kids to go and drink beer and party in the summer (me included!)but you can still stand next to the caved in tunnel and feel the very cold air flowing out. Like I say, all word of mouth but I have talked to several old-timers who have heard of it. Is it truly possible the ice could have lasted this long? --killing sparrows 03:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your pictures[edit]

Hi Bill, What an amazing coincidence! A friend and I drove from Othello to Seattle last Thursday (the 12th) and I wanted to get some pictures of the slide as we drove right past it. Unfortunately his car was not able to travel the roads to the top so I didn't take any. Imagine my surprise when i returned and found your pictures on the article! The 'gods' must have wanted those pictures! Great job!

I will try to talk to some 'oldtimers' from the area bout the 'ice cave,' my mother is part of the local historical society and they may have some info also. I could actually drive to the spot, its along the old Crab Creek road at the base of the Saddle Mts. Wish me luck.

--killing sparrows 00:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


you are invited[edit]

There is a discussion going on at Talk:William_Shakespeare#Consensus_on_authorship_section that you might be interested in taking part in. In short, a group of editors are trying to trim down the Shakespeare Authorship summary on the main William Shakespeare page.206.55.252.166 04:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ice cave update[edit]

Hi there, Well, sad to say the ice cave was not any remnant of the floods. It was dug by early settlers who would cut and haul ice from the Columbia river during the winter and then have 'cold storage' during the summer months. I talked to a gentleman who went with his father to do this very thing in the late 1930's. It was used until the 1950's and then with the availability of refrigeration, largely abandoned. The entrance started falling in sometime in the early 1960's and was then further purposely collapsed to prevent anyone getting in there and possibly being trapped. Too bad, it would have been a great find.--killing sparrows (chirp!) 00:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Category:Old roads of Norway[edit]

For some unknown reason you have created this article as a category. Since you created it it would be nice if you split away the actual article. __meco 12:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CVU status[edit]

The Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit project is under consideration to be moved to {{inactive}} and/or {{historical}} status. Another proposal is to delete or redirect the project. You have been identified as a project member and your input as to this matter would be welcomed at WT:CVU#Inactive.3F and at the deletion debate. Thank you! Delivered on behalf of xaosflux 16:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slash-and-burn vs. Slash-and-char[edit]

I noticed your interest in Slash-and-burn on the Talk page for Shifting cultivation. Under Topic 7, Comparison with other ecological phenomena, I added an admittedly awkwardly worded Topic 8:

Alternative practice in the Pre-Columbian Amazon basin

Slash-and-char, as opposed to slash-and-burn, may create self-perpetuating soil fertility that supports sedentary agriculture, but the society so sustained may still be overturned, as above. See article at Terra preta.

There is no stand-alone article on Slash and char. Pawyilee 11:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Vardøhus Fortress[edit]

Hi there. I've just converted the bracketed source information you added to Vardøhus Fortress into proper footnotes. One problem, though: You never stated from which pages of the books you were citing. To just say, for example, "Stagg" isn't quite enough. We also need the relevant page numbers. If you would be so kind as to provide those that would be great. Hope to hear back from you soon on my talk page. Manxruler (talk) 09:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for adding page numbers to your citations. I have changed the format so that the page numbers can be seen. You're right. That book citation format does not support page numbers, that's why I never use it. It's good now, anyway. You forgot one page number though, the one about the destruction Vardø suffered during WWII. If it's all the same to you I'll be happy to dig up a source for that one myself. Thanks again for those page numbers. Manxruler (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the appreciation. No, its no hurry at all. I'll find a source in a week's time. Keep up the good work. Manxruler (talk) 00:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


fjord merger[edit]

FYI. ⇔ ChristTrekker 18:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


page edit[edit]

Hello, I am a university student who had the assignment of creating and keeping up a wikipedia article this semester and I would appreciate it if you could take a look at my article and give me some comments. The article is Waukee United Methodist Church

Thanks, Kbeichle (talk) 16:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Hi[edit]

Welcome back... Punkmorten (talk) 16:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course! I would have added the noun myself if I'd been more competent. Thank you.--Wetman (talk) 23:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Touchet Formation[edit]

Hi Williamborg. Do you think Image:MancosRiverDeposits.jpg would be useful in the Touchet Formation article? Although the formation processes seem different, the layering looks very similar. Please add the image to the Touchet Formation article if you think it is relevant. Thanks. Suntag (talk) 02:11, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Was Image:Waitsburg-Washington.JPG taken on State Route 124 in Waitsburg? If so, I am using it for the article for Washington State Route 124, which is currently at GAN. ~~ ĈĠ Simple? 00:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I was planning to do a bit more, at least expanding the history and geology a bit, but real life got in the way. Someday perhaps.. Pfly (talk) 04:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, you wrote "Skål" to me -- I hadn't heard that since my grandfather, a Swede-Finn, told me about it. And I didn't realize it was spelled that way. I remember it pronounced somewhat like "scoll". Anyway, thanks for the double take in my brain. Pfly (talk) 04:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Takk![edit]

Thanks for the kind words of encouragement. —Zalktis (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other-language wikipedias[edit]

Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style#Other-language_wikipedias appears to provide for translation. It is quoted below...

"Wikipedia is not a reliable source. When you use an article from a different-language Wikipedia as a reference, it belongs in the reference section. Use an external link rather than an interwiki link to avoid an unnecessary self-reference:

"* Citau les fonts from the Catalan-language Wikipedia. Retrieved on December 27, 2004.

"If you are getting some or all of your references second-hand, because you translated all or part of an article from a different-language Wikipedia, you may want to start your reference section (or part of it) with something like this (from Paragraph 175): "*Much of the content of this article comes from the equivalent German-language wikipedia article. Retrieved on September 30, 2004. The following references are cited by that German-language article: followed by a list of that different-language article's references." 192.35.193.55 (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template Substitution[edit]

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Tips[edit]

MOS:UNLINKYEARS

Re: this, you know that pages can be moved? There's a "move" button on top of the page. Punkmorten (talk) 10:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the appreciation. Punkmorten (talk) 19:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Did You Know problem[edit]

Hello! Your submission of Austrått at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Art LaPella (talk) 20:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've marked your Austrått nomination as verified for DYK. Thanks for adding the extra inline citation. Due to the high visibility of DYK hooks, articles are expected to have citations close to the hook fact, even when standard practice would not require a citation at that location. (You can remove it after the hook is no longer on the main page, if you like.) --Orlady (talk) 04:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Using Wikipedia as a reference of Wikipedia.[edit]

Hi there, Williamborg. Thanks for your great work in translating articles from Scandinavian languages to English. It's a very valuable effort you are making in that department. One problem, though; you seem to continuously cite Wikipedia as a source for your edits. For example that was the case with Jan Bull, Terje Stigen and Peter R. Holm until I came across them today. Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability and cease using Wikipedia as a source on Wikipedia. Manxruler (talk) 19:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Bill. I appreciate your nice words. I've looked around and it seems that when you translate articles from one language to another, then one good way of showing that is to tag the new article page with Template:Translation/Ref. Manxruler (talk) 06:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tip: Using templates to cite sources.[edit]

Hi Bill. When you cite your sources it would be really great if you could use Citation templates for those of your sources that are url-based. Like over at Jan Jakob Tønseth Template:Cite web would have been the right one to use. If you could start using these templates that would be really great and would also help counter link rot. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 13:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just did the three refs over at the Tønseth article. Good luck. Manxruler (talk) 18:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Cite web is pretty nice. I also find Template:Cite news useful for all those news-related sources. Manxruler (talk) 07:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also note that we don't make up, or translate, titles for our sources. See my edit at Filefjell Kongevegen Manxruler (talk) 17:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. You seem to be a fast learner, I look forward to see your future contributions. Manxruler (talk) 09:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Austrått[edit]

Updated DYK query On February 23, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Austrått, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 14:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work on that - great! If you know of any articles needing translation please add a {{Expand Norwegian}} tag. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Gunnar Reiss-Andersen[edit]

Updated DYK query On March 1, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gunnar Reiss-Andersen, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 22:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:BRD, I have reverted your addition. Feel free to discuss on the talk page if you disagree with my edit summary reasoning. THF (talk) 19:26, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


DYK for Gerhard Schøning[edit]

Updated DYK query On March 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gerhard Schøning, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks from me and the wiki


DYK for Nidaros Cathedral West Front[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 8, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nidaros Cathedral West Front, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 10:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Vincens Budde[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 10, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vincens Budde, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 07:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Christian Schweigaard Stang[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 11, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Christian Schweigaard Stang, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 01:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


It seems that you have translated this more or less word by word from Norsk biografisk leksikon. I don't think NBL is freely licensed. Even if it is, direct translation should be avoided, as the NBL articles are not necessarily well structured. We at WP should have our own style, not carbon-copy other encyclopedias. Also, the formatting of the NBL reference was a pain to look at. Next time you use an NBL reference, just copy it from another article and change the fields. Punkmorten (talk) 19:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I didn't spot this note until now. Multiple edits to the talk page in close order - the earlier one went unnoticed.
You are correct - parts of the article were translated fairly closely from that Norsk biografisk leksikon, as it was the best available source (and the only one which covered several portions of his career). At the time I gave it limited consideration since I've translated a number of Norwegian Wikipedia articles and have fallen into the translation pattern without thinking too closely about it; I use it to work on my Norwegian.
Your comment is directed at a fundamental issue - copyright violation
Does a fairly literal translation of an article comprise copyright infringement? There a problem may exist (although I would discuss discuss with an attorney to get a professional opinion before I'd express a stronger opinion myself). However, to quote a ComiPress article titled Online Translation - Dealing with Copyright and Plagiarism Issues Part II - A Legal View: "the first problem is whether the act of `translating into English an article of which Person B in Japan is the copyright holder under American national la` violated the translation rights (see copyright law article 27) or not." "As the article in question (that of Person B in Japan) is protected by American copyright law, Person A (who resides in America, one of the concluding parties of the Berne Convention) will run afoul of violation of translation or adaptation..." So your concern is valid, as I am an American citizen one can make a case that I unintentionally violated American copyright law. Hence I will take corrective action:
  • With the exception of articles that are freely licensed (examples include Wikipedia articles and [articles in nbl like http://www.snl.no/Jens_Bjelke Jens Bjelke]) in the future I'll paraphrase more extensively and use the original material selectively.
  • And I'll review recent articles which referenced nbl to assure I reword them appropriately and use other references like dbl instead of nbl (dbl often has essentially the same material and is clearly out of copy protection).
I'll ponder your style comments as well - although as an engineer, I suspect there are subtleties that are lost on me there.
As always, I appreciate your counsel, consider it carefully, and try to adjust. Thanks!
Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 04:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

Hi! Another thing. Having six citations in one sentence, like this: "During King Christian's tour of Norway in 1596, this and other abuses were reported to the king, who dismissed Munk from office, banished him to his estates in Jutland and forced him to pay a heavy fine.[1][3][4][5][6]" is not appropriate (maybe except for very controversial statements). The point of citing sources is to show which sources you really used, not to pile on every source that mentions the subject... Punkmorten (talk) 19:22, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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Ludvig Munk[edit]

Hi there,

I've just tagged Ludvig Munk (which you created on 11 April) as requiring an improvement to the references; the box displayed by {{refimprove}} may be misleading on this article, so let me clarify;

The references are in several different formats; some have the ISBN linked, some don't; some have bits of notes, things like that.

This makes it hard to verify the info.

It would be better to use consistent {{citation}}: Empty citation (help) tags, and to use footnotes where appropriate.

For a bit of help on referencing, see User:Chzz/refs.

I hope this helps, if you need help with it, either leave me a note or talk to us live.

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  06:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Casper Herman Hausmann[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 15, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Casper Herman Hausmann, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 02:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Ludvig Munk[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 17, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ludvig Munk, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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DYK for Jens Tillufssøn Bjelke[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 19, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jens Tillufssøn Bjelke, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 23:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Triple DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 10 May, 2009, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles Alv Knutsson, Hartvig Krummedige, and Knut Alvsson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 01:59, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Height of Palouse Falls[edit]

Thanks for the welcome! How high is Palouse Falls? You seem to have a reliable source estimating it at 198 ft, but the Kayaking world believes it is 186 ft. Where did you get the height estimate of the falls? Thanks, Seek writ awe there (talk) 21:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent question. Response on talk page for Palouse Falls. Skaal - Williamborg (Bill) 02:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You like to translate?[edit]

I found a quite well-cited article in the Norwegian Wikipedia, which we have no equivalent of. http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85lesundraset. An English name suggestion would be 2008 Ålesund landslide. Punkmorten (talk) 16:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You’re correct, I do sometimes translate articles. I’ve done mostly Norwegian articles, last week a Russian article, a while back several German articles, and back several years a series of Spanish articles. They include a rather variegated collection of topics, the common denominator is that the topics happened to capture my interest at the time. When selecting articles:
  • I’m an engineer – my work is about being highly systematic & structured - Wikipedia is recreation so I keep Wikipedia activities unstructured. I wander about until I find a topic that interests me. If it interests me enough & there is no article, I compose a new article or translate an existing article.
  • I also occasionally try to “save” machine-translated articles or other poorly written articles that are AFD’d when I feel they warrant retention. Recent examples include Алексей Владимирович Высоцкий which was AFD’d and Ivar Matlaus which is still AFD’d.
I do have some interest in Ålesund—mostly historical since one branch of my family came from there in 1857—so I’ll check to see if this article captures my fancy after I finish my current interests.
Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 05:27, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated Category:Geology of Eastern Washington (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch. That was an early experiment with the automatic categories tool. I didn't realize I had made such a mess. Thanks for the clean up - Williamborg (Bill) 05:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Talkback[edit]

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Just in case you unwatched my page... decltype (talk) 18:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC) decltype (talk) 18:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bramhope Tunnel[edit]

Gosh that was quick - I'd only just thrown it to the lions. Thanks for nice comments!--Storye book (talk) 19:41, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thx for that - although in the sandbox you find yourself keeping right on polishing, because you start to get scared of leaving anything out . . . just one more inline ref . . . In the end you just have to let go. I'd been hoping to find a ghost story - I know there has been some talk, as I got a hint of it from one of the contractors a few years ago.--Storye book (talk) 19:51, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

greetings............how does one create a link to referance? thanksDrew erensel (talk) 03:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ty williamDrew erensel (talk) 04:15, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]