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What do you think of this essay by me? Kailash29792 (talk) 08:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Will go through this later tonight and shall give my opinion tomorrow. :) —Vensatry (Talk) 11:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Well what do you think? Kailash29792 (talk) 09:25, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Ah, forgot it. Sure for tomorrow! —Vensatry (Talk) 10:40, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure that trade analysts here pretty much resemble the eponymous men of that story. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:42, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Kaththi

Do you think this is a correct decision by Chiranjeevi? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:11, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Why not when he did the remake of Ramanaa? —Vensatry (Talk) 10:38, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm not speaking about the choice of remaking ARM's film, but something which has a theme similar to Srimanthudu (read few core similarities). Baradwaj Rangan calls both Srimanthudu and Kaththi both "socially relevant mass films". I'm only concerned whether their similarities and also Chiranjeevi's 'tweaking' capabilities would affect the remake badly. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 12:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm no BR, but don't you think Ramanaa too can be grouped into that category? —Vensatry (Talk) 15:44, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
It can be. At least Ramanaa's ending was realistic as the court announces captial punishment. But in the Telugu version, Chiranjeevi is sentenced for five years, that too with ordinary conditions. He himself revealed that he didn't want the protagonist to die as his fans would get enraged. With all due respect to Vijay, IMHO he doesn't has the versatility Chiranjeevi did. But, considering the 'tweaking' issues, i am afraid that the remake would become soulless. Moreover, i am also concerned to know who gets to play the mandatory "fragile glass piece". I want to see who outshines Samantha in being the dumbest. Who would be the best choice according to you? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:01, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Totally agree, Ramanaa was more realistic than Kaththi. If Tagore (a not-so-faithful remake) could become a success, why not the remake of Kaththi? You are spot on about Samantha's character. I think she bettered that performance in 10 Endrathukulla. ARM's female leads are really diluted over the years. His films tend to be more hero-driven rather than being director-driven. In Ramanna, Ashima Bhalla's character was very good. The best part about her character was it was not nowhere projected to be the romantic interest of Vijayakanth. A few more films I can think of are Polladhavan (the relationship between Rajini and Lakshmi), Chatriyan (although Bhanupriya is shown as having feelings for Vijayakanth nothing happens in the end), and Poovizhi Vasalile (between Sathyaraj and Karthika). This is something that I never find in Telugu films. :) —Vensatry (Talk) 17:17, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
I too accept that. In Mukunda (2014), i saw a love story between the leads who never speak a word to each other (not dumb) even in the last scene. They only see eye-to-eye and have a non verbal communication. This year, i saw an eccentric female lead role in Kumari 21F (borders on Osho's philosophies) which had a climax not at all familiar to Telugu audience. But i never saw a film in Telugu in the format of the above mentioned list. Say the influence of directors like K. Raghavendra Rao made a huge impact on the storytelling of Telugu cinema, where except a few like Dasari Narayana Rao, RGV, and K. Balachander, almost none attempted a film where the leads die. I really find it strange that Krishna Vamsi, who wanted to kill Mahesh in Murari initially (the protagonist's family is cursed by the rural goddess) on the lines of Anand, never did so. Even directors like Sukumar gave psychologically different protagonists in Arya, Arya 2, and 100% Love. If death itself is a taboo, what more can be explored? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 01:56, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Hmm. Eye-to-eye and non verbal communication, eh? Kinda reminds me of Oru Thalai Ragam. As for Samantha, she can do better than playing dumb characters (like in Naan Ee for instance, where she was better).  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 09:06, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Pavan, I was only speaking about the mainstream Telugu films, btw. When you talk about parallel cinema, Telugu has at least a handful of 'good' films. You need a microscope to find out such films in Tamil. Ssven2, I haven't seen Oru Thalai Ragam, although I know it was a blockbuster. There must be other equally-good films too, no? Viz., Uyarndhavargal. Samantha's character was Naan Ee was 'okayish' but not great. What made me really surprised is that before the release, she told her role in 10 Endrathukulla was her most challenging one till date. :) —Vensatry (Talk) 09:13, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

In Oru Thalai Ragam and its remake (which i assume to be faithful to the original except for the climax), i think the leads talk at least once. This is not the case in Mukunda. I wondered whether that girl was dumb of sorts, until we see her lip syncing to a song and utter a few words with her relatives. No word between them, not at least once, at least in their very last moment together. Neither her character has a name (strangely opposite to Seethamma Vakitlo Sirimalle Chettu where none of the prominent roles, including the heroes, have names except the female leads). That love story was something new for me in that average student politics based film. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:23, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Coming to Samantha, yes she is a decent actress and did some good roles, though i feel she hams very much few times, esp. in NEP. Her dual roles in 10 Endrathukulla has a notable importance. Having said that, neither of those two leave a mark and i really never knew why. Not sure whether i can see her in better roles in Thanga Magan and Brahmotsavam, but i can't rule out too! Meanwhile, a report talks about the possible female lead of Kaththi remake, and the name is somehow not-so-surprising. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:28, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
She was a pretty good actress with good performances like in Kalloori and Ayan, but maybe her big entry into the Telugu industry with Racha probably got her typecasted in glam-doll roles (not that she didn't do the role before). She has pretty decent knowledge of Tamil, for a heroine. BTW, Vensatry, regarding Tamil films, we too have had our fair share of parallel cinema, like my list here.  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 09:34, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Ssven2 Her character in Racha, though a regular hero-centric film, had its own importance and a notable screen presence, which was your basis for defining a "strong female lead" character. It is not often we see the hero becoming a pawn in the hands of the heroine in such stereotypical films. She had a really good role in Endukante... Premanta! and she did a good job in it. But this year, i saw her as an incomplete warrior in Baahubali: The Beginning (she could've done it much peacefully, the close ups were dramatic) and in a very eccentric role in Bengal Tiger, more than the hero. Should i call that intelligence or lunacy is something i am yet to decide. But she did look great in it. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:46, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
@Ssven2: What's your definition of parallel cinema? Do you think Dindigul Sarathy, Nanban, etc., belong to Parallel cinema? —Vensatry (Talk) 12:28, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
If films like Mullum Malarum and 16 Vayathinile don't fall into this category, then there's no way Dindigul Sarathy and Nanban can. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Dindigul Sarathy dealt with inferiority complex and Nanban is a remake of 3 Idiots (almost a xerox copy), which criticised our country's education system. These topics were quite new as compared to typical commercial films. I've stated in that userpage, "Many of these films combine elements of commercial cinema with the complexity of art films unlike traditional commercial cinema." Dindigul Sarathy and Nanban belong to that category. Maybe not a Satyajit Ray or Andrei Tarkovsky type of cinema, but at least different from a usual masala film.  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 13:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
They are indeed 'masala' films, at least partially. Forget about parallel cinema, they cannot even be called as middle-of-the-road. —Vensatry (Talk) 13:27, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
How about KB's Apoorva Raagangal and Cheran's Autograph? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 15:04, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
KB was among the pioneers of the 'Middle cinema' in South India – I'd say he was the Hrishikesh Mukherjee of South India. Apoorva Raagangal clearly belongs to that category, although it had all the essential ingredients of a perfect art film. If we have to pick one film from KB's filmography that stands as being a great arty work, it has to be this gem. Autograph is a 'good' commercial film. Other South Indian Filmmakers that consistently made 'Middle cinema' films throughout their career are K. Viswanath, Bapu, J. Mahendran, Balu Mahendra, Bharathiraaja (not always though), Mani Ratnam, Bharathan, and Padmarajan. Their films are not just great in terms of script alone, but technically very strong! I might be missing a few more. :) —Vensatry (Talk) 17:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
In fact, Puttanna Kanagal was the pioneer down south. Even KB himself had acknowledged him as his Manasika Guru (much like Mani-Mahendran). —Vensatry (Talk) 18:03, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Though not familiar with all, i watched a few middle and parallel cinema from Viswanath, Mahendra and Bapu. Most of the Telugu people, however, remember Bharathiraaja as only a short-tempered celebrity. I really lack knowledge about Kannada cinema. My friends used to say good things about Puttanna Kanagal (esp. for his work in Naagarahaavu). If not for Ssven2, i couldn't have been exposed to Upendra's work as a director. His concepts and screenplays are not just different, they are eccentric to the core (Ssven2 compares him with Stanley Kubrick in terms of creativity, and i am not sure). Having said that, this crazy man too delivered a middle cinema of sorts with Upendra (only because of its concept and boldness). Pavanjandhyala (talk) 01:28, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

In fact, I haven't watched much of Kanagal's films. He was way too experimental. It was his screenplays that made Bharathiraaja join him as an assistant. Coming to BR, his scripts were sort of original, but his filmmaking styles were mostly cliched even during their contemporary times. Also, his range was limited. Mahendran is an absolute genius in both writing and direction (ditto with Padmarajan). Unfortunately, while going steadily some of his own films became the primary reason for his downfall. Bharathan was a genius purely in terms of direction. Have you not watched Thevar Magan? Balu Mahendra was both gifted and well-trained. Mani was neither. But he is a thinking filmmaker and constantly evolved with time. That's the reason why he's still out there. I don't know much about Upendra, but have heard good things about his films. I think he is underrated, probably not known much outside Karnataka. —Vensatry (Talk) 04:57, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Thevar Magan is really a very good film. The change in Kamal's characterisation was gradual and believable. When one of my friends compared Vijay's Thalaivaa with Thevar Magan, i was very much annoyed. In Balu Mahendra's works, Moondram Pirai is the only film i have seen and i must say he is indeed a genius. Ditto for Mahendran whose Mullum Malarum is the only one i have seen. Coming to Mr. Rathnam, i am of the opinion that if not for the cinematography and music, his films are mostly normal. But i too like the fact that he, unlike Bharathiraaja, could update himself and understand what today's generation is. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:29, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Coming to Upendra, i respect him as a director more than an actor. The way he made 'I' the hero and 'Money', 'Love', and 'Responsibility' as the female leads in Upendra (1999) is something i never saw again. I don't know much about his other directorials. I've watched only his A (when Ssven2 recommended me to do so), Upendra, and its sequel Uppi 2. As an actor, he is known in Kannada and Telugu cinema. He made a comeback to Telugu this year with S/O Satyamurthy where he played a Madurai-based crime boss, Devaraj Naidu. Strangely, despite being a supporting role, he got a better entrance and build-up than Allu Arjun, the protagonist and also a special song dedicated to his character. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:36, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Thevar Magan is actually a script-driven film. But the director (Bharathan) had his moments and there are many scenes which showcase his "directorial skills", something that's uncommon in Kamal's (as a writer) films. As for Thalaiavaa, your friend had a point – there is no doubt that the theme was Godfatheresque in nature, like Thevar Magan. It's the variation in treatment that makes the difference. Obviously, A. L. Vijay is not a patch on Kamal/Bharathan. I cannot fully agree with you on Mani. His films are technically strong (in fact, very strong!), but he is a great director and surely figures among the greatest directors that India has ever produced; however, he isn't a great writer. Bharathiraaja had great people under his apprenticeship – Bhagyaraj, Manivannan, etc., These two, in turn, produced a lot of directors. From your explanations, I feel Upendra is a good writer, though he may not be a great director. Kamal is a classical example. Not that he is a poor director, but his screenplays are so complex that it becomes so difficult even for himself to translate those efforts onto the canvas (direction)! —Vensatry (Talk) 10:07, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
That is what i am trying to say regarding Mr. Rathnam. "His films are normal" doesn't mean his direction skills are weak, what he wants to say to the viewers has not always been good. There were good stories to tell like Mouna Raagam, Geethanjali, Thalapathi, Alaipayuthey etc. and there were films where his story was weak enough say O Kadhal Kanmani which i feel is one of his best as a director but not a writer. To be frank enough, it is his narrating abilities that saved S. S. Rajamouli always, not his/his father's stories. One good example is Maryada Ramanna (2010). Dare i say, it had one of the best screenplays and an absolutely weak climax. Eega/Naan Ee is also one such example. And, yes Kamal's concepts and screenplays are very complex, Uttama Villain being an example. But one thing noteworthy is that Kamal narrates his stories in a pleasant, or at least in a calm way. Whereas Upendra keeps the pace very fast and uses the shock and awe technique (somehow similar to Kubrick's style). His thoughts are not like that of Kamal's, they mostly symbolise the social evils while Kamal focuses on the internal evils mostly. I met both of them, and i could see that they are very affable and simple. But their way of speaking itself reveals what level of thoughts they have in their brains. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 11:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Kubrick keeps the pace in quite a leisurely manner (more so in 2001. His panoramic and deep focus shots (the second one is courtesy of Orson Welles) are among the best in any director I've seen). I've yet to see Barry Lyndon and Eyes Wide Shut. Will do so tmrw. Saw Bicycle Thieves and Blade Runner today. The former is a masterpiece! The latter beautifully shot!  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 18:14, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Bicycle Theives is indeed a masterpiece. I've seen it in parts and shall watch it completely soon. BTW, are you really sure Kubrick's pace is laidback? I don't think so. Barring 2001 (which was really slow because of its content also), most of his films were either moderate or fast in terms of pace. I really failed to find a film's narrative and pace being fast whose writer is Kamal Haasan. I do not object it, it is his creativity. But his concepts and screenplays are becoming very complex to the core though most of the ideas were interesting. This is one similarity both Upendra and Kamal have. Upendra's films, however, go very fast and that helps most of the times. But unlike Kamal's, Upendra's storytelling takes a toll on us by the time the film ends as we try to analyse what he wanted to say? A was a love story, so that was understandable. Can the same be said of Upendra and Super? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 01:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@Pavanjandhyala: Upendra explains the rooting out your sense of 'I', 'Me' and 'My'. Super focuses on corruption in the society. As for Haasan, put the blame on mame ("Mame" here being Tamil cinema's budgetary constraints and limits.)  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 05:26, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@Ssven2: I was not talking just about their content. Didn't you feel drained when A and Super end titles roll, at least a bit? Your statement regarding Kamal makes me think that Tamil cinema is deeply influenced by Brand Rajinikanth (i.e. commercial and mainstream typical films). And, i don't think so that constraints avoided Kamal delivering films like Anbe Sivam, Viswaroopam, Uttama Villain and Thoongaavanam. BTW, when did you watch Upendra? Your list (renewed) isn't showing that name. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:35, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@Pavanjandhyala: Saw snippets of it on YouTube. I only include those films that I have seen completely.  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 08:50, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@Ssven2: And you understood the language. Isn't it available only in Kannada and Telugu? Was it dubbed into Tamil also? You may call it an exaggeration, but really the film requires subtitles for one who don't know these two languages due to its complexity and heavy symbolism. Until the pre-climax concludes, one cannot understand that these characters represent 'I', Wealth, Beauty and Responsibility. BTW, what were the snippets? songs or scenes? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:55, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@Pavanjandhyala: Both actually. Kannada is very close to Tamil, Telugu and Sanskrit, my dear huduga (the closest to Tamil is Malayalam).  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 09:30, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

@Pavanjandhyala: If you want to judge Kamal's talents purely as a writer, you should consider Apoorva Sagodharargal, Thevar Magan, Mahanadi and the likes , not Vishwaroopam, Uttama Villain, and Thoongaavanam (Anbe Sivam might be an exception). Hey Ram and Virumaandi are testimonies to Kamal – the director. Only by watching these two films one can say he is among the greatest directors of Indian cinema. —Vensatry (Talk) 10:49, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I've seen all those listed films except Hey Ram and loved all, except Mahanadi. It was too depressing and i feel Kamal went overboard at times as a writer, mainly in the latter half. And to be very honest, his screenplays were turning complex film by film and by the time Viswaroopam and Uttama Villain came, it was evident that his ideas weren't translated on the canvas effectively. I respect him for what he is—a technician who has a knowledge of every possible craft of cinema. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 14:30, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
On his writing (in Mahanadi), I beg to differ. :) Performance-wise it surely ranks among his top-five! When I watched Papanasam, I never got a feeling that he looked very natural. You know why? because of the Mahanadi effect. You're absolutely right about his complexities and struggles post Vishwaroopam. If only he gets to work with a director like Mani Ratnam or Govind Nihalani, the translations would work out. That said, I feel he should let his ego aside, and start working with the younger lot—Bala, Vetrimaran, or Mysskin. —Vensatry (Talk) 15:15, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Even Rajinikanth began working with a relatively small and young director Pa. Ranjith. But i'm unsure whether Kamal Haasan would do that. Mysskin refused to direct any one of them (for the matter he refused to direct star heroes). Vetrimaran is a better choice as Bala and Kamal are bound to fall out because of creative differences. I heard that Kamal narrated a script to Chiranjeevi years back where the latter was impressed with it and agreed to star in it. It was stalled due to unknown reasons. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 02:36, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Kamal did work under a young director (in Papanaasam). :) You're right about Bala! But working with Vetrimaaran has another shortcoming; he takes light years to complete one film. Visaranai is still awaiting theatrical release. 'Kamal narrated a script to Chiranjeevi' is something that I'm hearing for the first time. But it's very much possible since they have been friends for over 36 years. I read somewhere even Mammooty was supposed to make his directorial debut with this film with Rajinikanth in the lead. This seems to have happened during the shoot of Thalapathi and Rajini seemed to have agreed upon! But for unknown reasons Mammooty shelved his directorial plans and went on to do the role himself. —Vensatry (Talk) 07:58, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Kamal narrated a script 25 years back to Chiranjeevi and chose not to act in it, at least in a cameo appearance. Chiranjeevi was impressed with the concept and asked to go ahead. The film was stalled shortly due to unknown reasons and both wished to collaborate some time again (which never happened). Ditto with Upendra in 1995, who met Chiranjeevi ten times for script discussions for a film to be produced by Aswini Dutt which finally failed to take off though Chiranjeevi liked the idea immensely. These two were known much later. Mammooty could have planned it supposedly as he shared a good rapport with Rajinikanth. Rajinikanth wanted Upendra to direct him in the same time (post 1995) but the latter failed to write a better script for him until Super's release. After that too, nothing changed. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:25, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
'Rajini wanted Upendra to direct a film for him' is another news. :) —Vensatry (Talk) 08:35, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Trust me, i too never believed, until i came across this and this. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:24, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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Earlier we've added Vizag popualtion by a news paper stats. Another user is not accepting it and wants to go back to the stats per 2011 of only Vizag. More discussion at Talk:Visakhapatnam#Area_and_population. Thanks.--Vin09 (talk) 13:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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PR request

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Bipasha Basu filmography

Hope you don't mind if I try to take it to FL. P.S, I have no hard feelings for you or for anyone here. Sorry for whatever happened between us. Yashthepunisher (talk) 14:40, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

It was on my 'To-do list'. Nevermind as my time here is limited at the moment. —Vensatry (Talk) 14:48, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
So do I take that as a yes?? Also i'll only be able to work on it in mid-march. Yashthepunisher (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Yep —Vensatry (Talk) 14:51, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
I might work on it later on if you're not nominating it right now. —Vensatry (Talk) 14:52, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Okay. I think you suit better for this, as you have more experience on lists and are its major-contributor. I think i might drop the plan. Yashthepunisher (talk) 14:56, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
If you don't mind, WP is all about collaboration. —Vensatry (Talk) 14:56, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Yeah. Yashthepunisher (talk) 14:58, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Lately, I would like to thank you on supporting the existence/notability of the article on Sid Sriram. I'm sad that the page was deleted despite having strong supporting references. Sir, if there is a way to get it back, I request you to get it back. Arjann (talk) 14:53, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

It's not advisable to recreate the article at the moment. Given his frequent collaborations with ARR, he might pass WP:N in good time. —Vensatry (Talk) 14:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Can admin delete this version —Vensatry (Talk) 08:58, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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Are you a lunatic? Daan0001 (talk) 01:06, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

@Harrias: Now, how do I deal with this gentleman? —Vensatry (Talk) 04:30, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
It's simple. Report him. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:42, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
I know. I'm specifically asking him because of this. —Vensatry (Talk) 05:42, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Also please take a look at this edit summary. —Vensatry (Talk) 05:44, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
you are welcome to if you want it. One is plenty. Also this is the only record with a source. Be happy about that! Daan0001 (talk) 18:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
I was really wondering how you managed to get rollback rights. Hope you'll make constructive edits after the expiry of block. —Vensatry (Talk) 07:47, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

India-West

Because it has a Wikipedia article, because it claims to be the "Best Indian Newspaper in Print & Online" and "the largest and most prestigious among weekly Indian newspapers on the West Coast of U.S.", being active since 1975, (source: http://www.indiawest.com/site/about.html), I believed it qualifies as RS. But in what way does it not? Kailash29792 (talk) 10:39, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I'm hearing such a newspaper for the first time. Thanks for pointing out! —Vensatry (Talk) 12:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Mayabazar

Mayabazar turns a FA! Thanks for your contribution at the FAC. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 02:45, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Congrats! Been a bit busy. —Vensatry (Talk) 14:53, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
I can see that. Your contributions convey something similar. Any not-so-mundane reason for being such a busy man these days? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:23, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 03 February 2016

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
I don't know why you retired, but you deserve this for being one of the few Tamil editors who used Wikipedia in a morally correct manner. Though we had quite a few rough moments, you were only obeying Wikipedia policies, and I always admired your editing styles. And I hope you find solace in your future endeavours. Kailash29792 (talk) 18:33, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Take care of yourself Vensatry. I must admit, our lengthy discussions on films made me change my perceptions on viewing them and i enjoyed those. Wish you the best in your future endeavours. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 01:44, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Wish you all the best for your targets - you have been a real star here contributing trucks of information. Really sad to see you leave, please do come back.Ssriram mt (talk) 04:15, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

N. T. Rama Rao

Came to know just now that you are back. Good. Coming to the point, do you think this shall stand the test of time? I mean, is it a validly legitimate free image, according to you? Please let me know. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 07:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

It's in PD in India, but not in the US. Images/screenshots that were created prior to 1 January 1941 (in India) are totally free of copyrights. —Vensatry (Talk) 07:20, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
So, do you think this shall stay? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 07:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Does that date (1941) change every year? Or is it constant? Kailash29792 (talk) 07:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Commons accepts only images that are free in the US. No, the year doesn't change: If the work was in the public domain in the country of origin as of January 1, 1996, it is in the public domain in the U.S. (Even if it was published after 1923, but only if no copyright had been registered with the U.S. Copyright Office. —Vensatry (Talk) 07:50, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
If that is the case, then i have lost. I really aspired to see that most of the old gen actors have their free images. Telugu cinema began in 1932. So, i think, in no case i can find a really free image of an actor of the past that is free in US as well. Still, i am hopeful that it may stay. Lets see what happens. I'm open to any decision. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:02, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Similar files which were deleted prior to this discussion were restored. However, uploading of new images is discouraged. I've tagged the image accordingly. —Vensatry (Talk) 08:17, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
F*** those Yankees. Who are they to decide what laws apply to our country? Do they think they're the new Colonialists? Or is PD-India now meaningless? Kailash29792 (talk) 08:19, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
It's not a matter of disrespecting the copyrights of India or China. Since the Wikimedia Foundation is headquartered in the US, they have to abide by their laws. —Vensatry (Talk) 08:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

For N. T. Rama Rao, i took inspiration from this file. If i upload something similar in the future with PD-India licensing tag "in Wikipedia", can it be considered a valid and legitimate free file? Just curious to know. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:37, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

What is the 'inspiration'? —Vensatry (Talk) 08:41, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Using a screenshot of a film that was released before the specified year i.e. before 1956 in this case was the inspiration i took from that file. Missamma was released in 12 January 1955, so i thought that it can be uploaded with Public Domain in India tag, similar to the one available for Steiger's file. Is my explanation clear so far? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:22, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Did you read the rationale for the Stieger image? The 60-year thing doesn't apply to images published with in the US. It may not be in PD in some countries outside the US. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I did, just now. Looks like i've messed up many things. But one question i want to ask is, Can a similar upload to that of Steiger and Rama Rao "in Wikipedia" survive? Because, if that happens, then almost a generation of actors can have free, legitimate images. But, i want to make sure whether is it possible here. Wikimedia is ruled out now as you said it accepts files that are free in the US too. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:33, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
You mean Commons? Both are sister projects of Wikimedia. Reg your point, you can upload them using the fair-use rationale. This upload should give you a fair idea. But, don't upload new (fair-use) images of the existing ones. —Vensatry (Talk) 10:04, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I will not. But, will the fresh uploads be considered as free images i.e. can they be used in more than one article without any hassles? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 10:06, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

I cleaned up Rama Rao a few years back, it was in a dreadful state when I worked on it! At once time it had a massive bulleted pointed chronology and his filmography on the page and was plastered wit POV. I remember thinking that he was the one person from India who should be worked on and promoted to FA and the page LOCKED for eternity ;-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Sources are very less, Dr. Blofeld. Even the next generation has bleak chances. The current generation, well, has a very small group of actors with an illustrious career, for example Shah Rukh Khan (a FA now). Rama Rao's films can be brought to GA/FA, but his BLP hardly has a chance. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 05:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

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Kalki Koechlin FAC

Hey! I did not mean to bother you there was no way of knowing if you actually went through Kalki Koechlin's article or just the edit history itself, and there are no obvious omssions in the artcile, (you didn't mention any either just for the sake of substantiating). Still, taking what you said into consideration would you mind joining the Peer Review on the topic if I start one? Else i wait for a second opinion. Numerounovedant (Talk) 10:53, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

I did go through the article shortly after it was promoted to GA. There are obviously issues with the prose and WP:V. That said, I don't find a mention about her plays in the article (table). I don't have a finally say, so it's better to wait! —Vensatry (Talk) 12:19, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Rao

I cleaned up Rama Rao a few years back, it was in a dreadful state when I worked on it! At once time it had a massive bulleted pointed chronology and his filmography on the page and was plastered wit POV. I remember thinking that he was the one person from India who should be worked on and promoted to FA and the page LOCKED for eternity ;-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Sources are very less, Dr. Blofeld. Even the next generation has bleak chances. The current generation, well, has a very small group of actors with an illustrious career, for example Shah Rukh Khan (a FA now). Rama Rao's films can be brought to GA/FA, but his BLP hardly has a chance. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 05:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

He's not a BLP though, he's dead!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

May I request editors to have off-topic discussions on their talk-pages? —Vensatry (Talk) 10:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Why?? What difference does it? Is there limited space here or something? I mean look at my talk page, practically everything goes off topic. That frequently happens on here, and it's a good thing for the site I think, that's what makes the site more friendly, surely, to chat with people and say what they're thinking even if only indirectly related. Commenting on Rama Rao, a major problem on here is perfectly on topic and is really an article which needs urgently improving anyway. If you can't allow any leeway whatsoever chances are you take yourself a little too seriously. Oh, and it comes across as rude to archive non-hostile current discussions so soon.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:20, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
IIRC, the discussion was about the image. When you talk specifically about the article, it does make the discussion off-topic. I had to archive the discussion because of that. Besides, I'm not the one that you're looking for (about NTR's bio). If my previous response came across as 'rude', I can't help. Again, I'm saying this in the nicest possible way! —Vensatry (Talk) 15:04, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Okay guys. Lets keep it simple. I don't want to see any warring or heart-breaks here, though it may be in the most nascent stage. I wind up this saying that Rama Rao's article has limited chances to be a well written one due to the lack of reliable sources and he has acted in more than 200 films. Just documenting his work as an actor itself is a gargantuan task. The rest, is too much. Lack of books is also a big hindrance. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Certainly someone would have written a biography about him. And did he ever write an autobiography? If both exist, they could be used. Kailash29792 (talk) 18:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but i'm surely here for something related to our previous "focused" discussion and nothing "off-topic". One thing was very clear from Rama Rao's file's episode that Commons shall accept only those images of PD-India which are free in the US as well, and that Indian images before 1941 are completely free of copyright. I too made my intention very clear that i want to see that most of the actors/actresses of that generation should have a valid, legitimate free image and chose the screenshots of films released before 1 January 1956. Thus, i uploaded a file of Jamuna (actress) with PD-India license here. Do you think i was right in doing so? If not, please explain me why. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

WP:CQ is your best bet! —Vensatry (Talk) 12:27, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Ha, I can see that. But the discussion went totally off-topic, no? —Vensatry (Talk) 12:51, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Which one? related to Rama Rao's article expansion, or this? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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