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Archives[edit]

Thanx for welcoming me[edit]

You were wrong to revert my 107th Congress edit. Lisa Murkowski was appointed in December, 2002 to occupy the seat vacated by Frank Murkowski due to his 2002 election as Alaska Governor. Hence, in the 107th Congress, convening in 2001, Frank Murkowski should be represented as the Senator from Alaska.

Hi! Thanks for leaving me aa little welcome message!Frogprincess1312 06:20, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Well that's all I had to say :-D Laudaka 14:29, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice welcome - Drago9034 05:04, Jan 29, 2004 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for the welcome! Mark Richards

Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia my goal is to do the best that I can to help improve wikipedia in all of the areas that I can. Daniel.

Thanks for the welcome note. Helped me understand the User talk thing, and was encouraging. I've been editing modestly for a while now. You set a nice tone for friendly welcoming which invites new users to feel at home. Kd4ttc 03:00, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for welcoming me. However I guess I stay on the German Wikipedia project and just add the inter wiki links here. -- MichaelHaeckel 19:18, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. I really don't know anyone around here yet, and it was nice to know that somebody cared! Jeru 11:07, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Um, I'm not sure how to leave messages on this just yet, but you can always delete this, right? Thanks for the welcome message. Sorry about the inappropriate link. 「Jeshii 12:57, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)」

Thanks for your welcome. (I'm sure you welcome my thanks or do you want to say thanks for the thanks. Then I should say thanks for your thanks....ad infinitum.....) :) I still need to understand the copyright thing. I'd like to upload a rewrite or summary of the 'Waking the Tiger book' under a wikipedia article 'How to Heal Traumas' . Sorry to all wikipedians for the copyright infringements.(they were deleted) Best regards, Jondel 04:38, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This just one more thank you for one more kind welcome written by you. Hgfernan 08:45, 13 May 2004

Oh yes, it's taking me a while to find my way around talk pages and stuff, but I was very pleased with the welcome you gave me, too. Thanks, and keep up the good work. Tonusperegrinus 20:28, 19 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, what they said :o] porge 02:45, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! Sir Trollsalot 07:00, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Me too! Palnu 03:32, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

And thanks! David Sneek 06:36, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

A belated (over 2 months!) thanks for your kind welcome. Lacrimosus 07:23, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

For some strange and atypical reason I would have considered it 'bad luck' to un-redden my name by creating a user page before someone addresses me on my talk page. Thanks for the welcome, now I'm really 'part of it'! Femto 17:26, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Okay, read that "Curse you, now I'll never really get away from it. :)" — Easy enough to find here anyway, though can it be that you actually forgot to sign a message that contains an explanation how to sign a message? Femto 12:25, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Primates[edit]

I'm just trying to bring things in line with the 2000 interdisciplinary meeting of primatologists, taxonomists, conservationists, geneticists, etc. in Orlando. There they recognised five families of Neotropical primates, 40 species of galago, five gorilla subspecies, two orang-utan species, and a fourth chimp subspecies. At that time, there were something like 310 primate species and 608 subspecies. This has increased since then with discoveries in Brazil, Madagascar, etc.

It's going to be such a gargantuan project trying to fix all of this. The trees are going to be a pain, and I'm still debating whether or not I should do them all the way down to the subspecific level, as that's going to double or triple the work for me. Also, there's so much disagreement regarding the placement of the higher taxa. Wish me luck, I guess. Pajamacore 17:36, 2004 May 11 (UTC)

Excellent stuff! This is the kind of influx of data I've been hoping for. If you can, post on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Primates with a link to all the new info so that I and others interested can help tackle it. - UtherSRG 17:41, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cetaceans[edit]

Actually that cetacean category either pre-dates or happened about at the same time as the very first ToL discussions (i.e. they had been stable for a week or so before the ToL discussion got serious) I figured that whatever is eventually agreed, it would pretty much fit with what had been done with that category so thought removing them and then adding them back again would be too much work for little gain. Hope that's ok. Pcb21| Pete 22:57, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words in your reply. A few things: I've dropped down my contribution for a week or two whilst I am busy with other things, thus I didn't get involved with the ToL categories debate and concentrated on a few pet projects like that new whale species. However I've read the debate and I think you are doing a great job there. If having the cetacean category around makes your life difficult in trying to get a general agreement and policy off the ground, then don't let me hold you back from deleting it. However I am finding the categories somewhat useful - there are a plenty of articles that fit into the category but are not taxa themselves - and because of this the category is a neat way of creating an automatic List of X-related topics article. I think we can further make the categories useful by subverting the sorting mechanism. I am envisioning using categories like [[Category:Cetaceans|Species:Blue Whale]], [[Category:Cetaceans|Species:Gray Whale]], [[Category:Cetaceans|Pressure group:Whale and Dolphin Conservation Trust]] . Thus the alphabetical ordering effectively gives us a topical ordering without having to resort to myriad sub-categories (my main gripe about categories in general is that people are making categories too small to be really useful) and wait for a software update that does special display for members of subcategories. That all said, I will likely be very happy to go along with any policy on categories that you and Tannin can bring yourself to accept. Pcb21| Pete 18:03, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

And thank you for your kind words. Sometimes I feel like I'm a tyrant, sometimes like a pussycat. I hope that I strke a good balance somewhere between the two. - UtherSRG 04:42, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

tibetan macaque[edit]

i learned all about the semen of the tibetan macaque in the book "The Ape and the Sushi Master" by Franz DeWaal.

I should have explained more. Franz De Waal is a pretty famous primatologist. I think he is at the Yerkes Primate Center, and specializes in chimpanzee research, although his area of expertise is larger. Most of his books are academic, but the The Ape and The Sushi Master is aimed at a lay audience, which is how I ended up reading it. I believe that his information in the book is largely from personal observation, based on time he spent observing these animals in the wild and in zoos.

I realize that the semen story may not be the most important thing about the Tibetan Macaque, but it is the one thing that makes the Tibetan stand out among other macaques, and made the article more interesting. If I knew something interesting about all the different macaque species, I would have added those too. Actually, finding out (at least) one interesting thing about all the different macaque species is on my list of things to do. I don't know how this kind of conflict resolution happens in wikipedia (do i need to cite a page number or something?) but I hope that in the end, something more interesting can be said about each different species of macaque than what my article was replaced with.

Format problem[edit]

Hi Uther - I'm having formatting problems with the status codes on Cupressus (near the bottom of the page) - several of them (but far from all) are showing up as 'Template:StatusVulnerable' etc., instead of 'Status: Vulnerable' as they should. I can't work out what's wrong, they appear to be all correctly typed in the edit box. Can you do anything about them? - Thanks, Michael - MPF 10:45, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It looks like you've been hit by a security restriction. In order to prevent various nefarious vandalism possibilities, you can't use the same template more than N times in the same article (N used to be 5, but may have been increased a bit). If we want the status information for each species, we'll need to add the data directly, not through a template. Sorry I can't offer more than that. Pcb21| Pete 10:54, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Um... I'd have to go with what Pete said. I've never seen it before, but it makes sense. My suggestion would be to put some symbol next to each species, then have a key below linking a symbol to a Status. - UtherSRG 21:20, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Ended up copying & pasting in the text from the template pages . . it works, even if it is very cumbersome on the edit page - MPF 19:42, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

maintance of Wikipedia:Categories for deletion[edit]

Is there a particular reason why empty categories on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion are sticking around so long? Is this policy (fine with me), or would it help to have another admin around to spread the work? This is the first admin thing I've seen that I felt like doing. ;) --ssd 07:12, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

AFAIK, there aren't many admins interested in CfD mainttenance. Help yourself! :) - UtherSRG 08:26, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Point being, I'm not an admin yet... :) --ssd 12:33, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Ok, I'm an admin now. 8-> I've already joined you with category delletion. I'm kinda annoyed with the number of stale discussions there, though. In case you have not noticed, I've started a policy discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categories for deletion. Feel free to modify the rules I've suggested there and/or add to the discusiosn.

I'm real tempted to start moving the stale unresolved discussions one by one to Vfd for a wider airing. --ssd 04:02, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Cephalopod link[edit]

I noticed that you are working on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Cephalopods. I'm no expert, but I recently ran across The Octopus News Magazine Online. Their Physiology and Biology forum is moderated by Dr. Steve O'Shea of New Zealand, one of the world experts on the giant squid, colossal squid, etc. You might want to troll around there looking for info; maybe you could get some of those folks to pitch in on Wikipedia! Gwimpey 01:00, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

temp space moves[edit]

Hi, UtherSRG! Can you, please, move contents of Altai Republic/Temp to the main article namespace (the same way you did with Bashkortostan/Temp), and delete the Temp page after that? Thank you.--Ëzhiki 16:44, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

Done. - UtherSRG 17:40, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thank you.--Ëzhiki 17:56, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

Please also move Buryat Republic/Temp. Thank you.--Ëzhiki 18:23, Jul 22, 2004 (UTC)

Done. - UtherSRG 18:27, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Please move Dagestan/Temp. This article is ready. Thanks.--Ëzhiki 17:07, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

Done. - UtherSRG 17:20, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Please move Ingushetia/Temp. This article is ready. Thanks.--Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 18:33, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)

Done. Do you have a list of articles that are being worked? - UtherSRG 20:04, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, you can find the list on the project's status page.--Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 20:17, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)

Wow. Nice list. Are you the only one significantly working them? I don't know much about Russia, but I can certainly whack things into a given format. - UtherSRG 20:23, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well, other people were contributing here and there once in a while, but generally, yes—I am the only one who is seriously going through the list. If you can help, that would be SOOO much appreciated. I never realized how much work it was before I started. Formatting is one of the more tedious things, the other things are shuffling the data around between sections, checking facts and adding to them. In any case, if you can join (and I am not forcing you! :)), that would be magnificent.--Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 20:30, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)

Please move Kabardino-Balkaria/Temp. It's done. Thanks!--Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 14:56, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

Done. - UtherSRG 16:28, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Stargate Atlantis[edit]

Oh, I'm afraid I only taped the last 30 minutes (but then, in Canuckistan it only ran for 90 minutes - did I miss anything?) for someone who couldn't stay to watch the whole thing. But the other 60 minutes are still fairly fresh in my memory, so after dinner I could take a crack at a flesh-out if you'd like. :) -- Hadal 20:40, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Many things[edit]

I've been meaning to leave a message on your talk page for a short while now.

I want to start by thanking you for two things. First, you supported some of the things I said in the poll Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship, even when I was the only one saying them. I appreciate that, and I think it made a difference. Second, I think you've done some very good work at Stargate Atlantis. The article has really improved because of it.

I do have one request. I noticed that the text is the same in Rising, Part 1 and Rising, Part 2. On Talk:List of Star Trek TNG episodes, a decision was made to combine information on two-part episodes into one article. I think that the same principle should be applied to "Rising". Right now, the article Rising (somewhat unfathomably) redirects to another page about an album with the word in its title. If you could move the text of Rising, Part 1 there and redirect Rising, Part 2, I think it would simplify many things.

Sincerely,

Acegikmo1 20:44, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

*grins*You're welcome! Probably about 30 minutes ago I moved Rising, Part 1 from Rising (Stargate Atlantis)! Then copied the text to create Rising, Part 2. I'll merge 'em back together, but I'd like a better article title. (The Rising link is because the album Rainbow Rising is known by that title as well, since the group is Rainbow. Not so unfathomable.) You wouldn't happen to have it recorded, would ya? I'd love to see the synopsis and the whole article expanded more a la Midnight on the Firing Line. - UtherSRG 20:55, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Ack ack attack! Well, I suppose Rising (Stargate Atlantis) is a fair compromise. If you really don't like the title, "Rising (television show)" might be a good substitute. But "Rising (Stargate Atlantis)" is better than twin pages with the same body.

In fact I did tape "Rising"...but I fear I may have taped over it in an effort to catch "Two Fathers"/"One Son". I'll check when I get home. Either way, I'll attempt to expand the article on the episode over the next few days.

Acegikmo1 21:54, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I was going to leave a message here about the pipes, but apparently you got to me first. Do you have any idea how to fix it or who to go to about making them work?

Acegikmo1 01:46, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've already reported it on MetaWiki and on Sourceforge. Until a developer takes an interest in fixing the mess they made with version 1.3, we're up the creek. - UtherSRG 01:50, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Template:Television episodes[edit]

I played with your Television box - added a splash of colour, hope you do not mind. I think I will use the template for some Frasier episodes. --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 01:12, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Good! *grins* I'm hoping folks will use it widely and broadly, instead of inventing new ones for each Tv series. I like your choice of color. It adds some spice without being bold. - UtherSRG 01:19, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Stargate Atlantis[edit]

Maybe it is a bad idea to write full episode transcript with every details, even subdivided into "acts", on Wikipedia.

I intend to edit it down after I write it all in. I want it to evenully look like Midnight_on_the_Firing_Line. BTW - you should sign talk messages by typing ~~~~ after your comment. - UtherSRG 05:08, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Why reverted?[edit]

I don't know why you reverted my edit. is it not okay to add links to anti-same-sex marriage? i was trying to be neutral and let the opponent's voice to be heard. can u explain to me why u did that? thx! --Yacht (talk) 09:22, Jul 25, 2004 (UTC)

Hello, I'm who changed the letter case of Text_IO in the Ada programming language article. I want to ask you why you reverted it to the previous version, because I think this is the correct letter case (and not Text_Io) as it's found in the Ada Reference Manual and also in the GNAT source code. I know that Ada is not case sensitive, but this doesn't mean that capitalization isn't important. The Ada 95 Quality and Style Guide recommends to 'Use uppercase for abbreviations and acronyms', e.g. Text_IO (for Input/Output). Moreover, GNAT has an option to check attribute casing and reject any identifier that doesn't mach with its definition casing. Thanks suruena 23:56, 2004 Nov 23 (UTC)

blue crab vs. Blue Crab[edit]

I reverted all the changes you made to the capitalization of/in that article. Generally speaking, in English, common names of species are only capitalized if they contain a proper name. Neither "blue" nor "crab" is a proper name. I'd be happy to scan and email you the page from the Chicago Manual of Style regarding this. Webster's, the OED and Barron's Food Lover's Companion all write "blue crab" lowercase. -- tooki 21:02, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I was taking your approach when I first started editing on wikipedia. Apparently, it is in common usage in academic articles to capitalize animal species names, and it is something that appears to be a consensus about on here. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna). One benefit is that it aids clarity when the species name involves common words or adjectives, as in the case of "blue". Take a look at my talk page to see the dialogue that I went through on this earlier. I decided it was just easier to conform rather than wage a de-capitalization rampage, and that there were some decent reasons for doing it this way. Postdlf 21:39, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It certainly is unacceptable to have mixed usage on a page. Others' edits may have left it with mixed usage. I, at one point in the past, had cleaned it up and standardized to lowercase. (Obviously, I am not including sentence capitalization as "mixed usage".) If there really is a de-facto standard here on Wiki, then all the articles should be migrated to one or the other. In the case of crab species, all the pages are lowercase. -- tooki 23:38, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, and categories[edit]

Thanks for the praise left on my talk page, and for being so responsible and responsive in dealing with the...colorful characters that parade through these open content corridors. I have been trying to advocate everywhere I can for the responsible use of categories because of the function I see them performing. Take a look at Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes and see if there's anything you want to contribute there—hopefully we can form a rational and restrained policy on this. Postdlf 18:48, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Cephalopods, etc.[edit]

Hello,

Thanks you for your feedback on my cephalopod contributions. I'd certainly like to become involved in adding further to the articles. I'm not sure where the taxonomy information in the ammonite article came from....

Dlloyd 00:03, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Taxoboxes[edit]

Uther, thanks for fixing the format on Eriogonum - I was putting it in in a hurry and didn't have time to check the new formats (having been away when they first started). I'll get the hang of it in a day or two, when I have time to do something at more leisurely pace. seglea 17:08, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No problem. Just happened to catch it on "New pages". I've started trolling there instead of "Recent changes". - UtherSRG 17:17, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I cannot find the articles for: {{Taxobox_end}} and {{Taxobox end placement}} without them I cannot create the new taxobox on nl: and open the discussion if we will adopt the en: taxoboxes or that we want to modify them. GerardM 20:31, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Template:Taxobox_end and Template:Taxobox_end_placement. - UtherSRG 21:21, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I found my problem; there is nothing showing on the page so I assusmed there was nothing. I was wrong.. :) Thanks!

Binomial name[edit]

If Binomial name is the preferred one then why is it redirected to 'Binomial nomenclature' over 5000 times? It was on the most redirects as fourth highest with 5600 or so. I dunno maybe it needs to have the name moved, but it states in tree of life that Binomial Nomenclature is the scientific designation. Williamb 18:52, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The most recent discussion on this subject on ToL is Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive4#Binomial_name_v._Binomial_nomenclature.7CBinomial_name_v._Binomial_nomenclature. Although no strict usage rule was gotten out of it, "binomial name" seemed to be the strongest favorite (or least distasteful as the case may be) of all the alternatives. - UtherSRG 02:01, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well it seems I can't win this one. though it seems pointless to have so many redirects to the CORRECT scientific term. Even the Tree of Life article says that nomenclature is right. I hate dummying down things. what's the point? If one has to dummy down things that much then the whole article is wasted anyhow.

I'm just telling you how it is. Either of us alone can't change ToL policy. That can only be done by discussion on the ToL talk page. So if you have a concern about something that someone has told you was decided on ToL, then go there and raise the issue and see if you can rally folks to your way of seeing things. This is Wikipedia, man. nothing is set in stone. Only in mud. *grins* - UtherSRG 16:31, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The term Binominal name is wrong when applied to subspecies varieties and forms. They are Trinominal names. The current Taxoboxes do not take this into account. GerardM 22:43, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes they do. We have tri- forms for all of the bi- templates. - UtherSRG 22:52, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Chiroteuthidae[edit]

I'm not sure why you reversed my change to Chiroteuthidae taxobox and list of species:

avoiding a redirect by replacing a genus name by the unique species name in it is imho short-sighted sinced at some point the genus may be extended. What's the point in avoiding such redirects??
having the genera in the list make it clearer. Also the species names are simply binomial without parenthesis (see for eg this site [1]).

-- (user:Azhyd)

The pipe-trick redirect is because the species article would be the article for the genus at this point, which would require a real redirect. Since the article doesn't exist, it's improper to create the redirect, so the pipe-trick is used.
ToLWeb is out of date. CephBase has a more recent classification. The parenthesis show the subgenera.

- UtherSRG 02:21, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

hum ok. It would be more explicit to have the extra levels in the species list. Is it standard to have parenthesis in the species name in such case? btw I put online my taxobox helper page (work still in progress): [2] Azhyd 04:11, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I flip flop around on what I want in the species lists. I'm sure you've seen that by looking through the other cephalopod pages I made. It was easier for me to remove that portion of your edit than to leave it because all I did was go back to my previous version and add in the changes of yours that I did like. Yeah, i'm sneaky tat way. *grins* The parens are the standard way to denote subgenera in the "binomial" format. - UtherSRG 16:34, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ceqli language[edit]

Why undelete Ceqli language? While the vote were 19 to 14, at least five of those voting to keep were anons or making their first edit ever to Wikipedia and by common practice should be ignored as sockpuppets. - SimonP 15:20, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

I didn't. I only delisted it. It had already been undeleted. - UtherSRG 15:37, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Strepsirhini -> Strepsirrhini[edit]

See my Talk page. It can unambiguously be ascertained that 'Strepsirhini' is a junior synonym of 'Strepsirrhini', so therefore only the latter is valid. Any prevalence of the other spelling on the web can only be due to inaccuracy. I restored my changes again, with your permission...

Cheers, Fedor 21:33, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You never responded to this, perhaps due to time pressure, which I regret. I would just like to remark that I think that it is commendable that you are interested in systematics, but would urge you to be more cautious with reverting changes in the future, since you obviously are not an expert in the field. You earlier also removed my remark on priority rules on the Homininae page the 1st of April, which actually was correct as well. Fortunately, you quickly thereafter reformulated so the prioriy rule was not mentioned anymore, but I would advise you to check first next time.

Cheers Fedor 11:00, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Starfish references[edit]

I noticed that you added a reference to a general biology textbook to the bottom of the Starfish page. It seems that this book is not specifically relevant to starfish; should it really be there, rather than the biology page? The zoology lab manual is specifically cited the article, but the biology book is not. k.lee 05:20, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Check the edit history. I didn't add a reference. In fact, the references have been there since before your last edit of the article. - UtherSRG 05:22, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Binomial name synonyms[edit]

I'm not really a Biology type guy, so I may be wrong, but I think synonyms are an important part of taxonomy, and aren't necessarily just "deprecated terms". They may be in use in certain countries or by certain authors or whatever and they're always good to have in an article, at least to serve as additional search keywords. Now, I think they belong in the Taxobox, since noone really ever reads it, and it wouldn't clutter up the main text. Common synonyms can be done in bold. Look at Hawaiian baby woodrose and Rivea corymbosa to see what I mean. It would be nice to have a template to make writing them easier, and I'd also like to have someone confirm that actually including them is a good idea, so I'd like your opininon on that. Oh and is the taxobox template final now? Can we start replacing old ones with it? Thanks. --Aramgutang 02:36, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No. Synonyms are deprecated names. They don't belong in a taxobox. They can go in the article, to show the history of the organism's cassification, and as serach terms as you suggest. But really, I'm not the final authority. We discuss changes to what's in the taxobox at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life. - UtherSRG 03:09, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Eldest[edit]

OK. I was just headed back to restore the linkage to the one article that exists that I accidently removed. Niteowlneils 00:34, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Interstate 495 page move[edit]

Hi, UtherSRG:

I was in the middle of moving another page into Interstate 495. Please do not revert my edits without consulting me further. Thanks.

Bumm13 - Talk page

Sorry about that. I'm trying to get assistance in properly moving Interstate 495 (New York City)'s content into Interstate 495. I tried getting assistance on the IRC channel but didn't get much help. I'll just put Interstate 495 (New York City) on VfD and let the bureaucracy deal with it.

Bumm13

Sorry about that ![edit]

Sorry about our weird editing mixups, I'm still new to Wikiquette. Is there anything I can do to change your mind on TSSF votes for deletion? I still don't consider it to be vanity.

Category:Place[edit]

Why did you delete this category? See Wikipedia:Deletion log archive/July 2004 (2). Mr. Jones 19:09, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Category:Wealthy people[edit]

Can you give a reason for removing this category from a number of articles? It would be helpful if in the future you could provide a reasonable explanaion directly in the edit comment istead of just saying that you removed it. Gene s 07:06, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I agree. It's only polite to leave an explanation. Mr. Jones 19:51, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

AC, et al[edit]

Hi Uther! Don't forget to vote in the ArbComm elections today. +sj + 14:26, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Cats[edit]

That's "cats" in both the "lion" and "short for categories" senses of the word. Because Category:Cetaceans is substantially complete I want to move on to the pinnipeds. (We have articles on about half of the 30 odd species). Then I realized that there are no instructions on the ToL page about what was finally decided on the project page. Because I am a simpleton I couldn't figure out the finally state of the discussion. Could you explain what I am supposed to do?

So far my categorization has gone as thus: All articles relating to cetaceans dumped into Cetacea category - thus there are about 95 articles. This includes all species, all non-redirect higher level taxons and all articles not about a particular taxo group (e.g whale song). I think this is a nice sized group (just about fits on a page) so I don't want to splinter into categories further out on the tree - I am more concerned about going up to the larger taxa.

Similarly, all existing articles about pinnipeds are in Category:Pinnipeds. I started to organise Category:Carnivora but then realized that I was dreading on dodgy group... what have we agreed to do? Pcb21| Pete 15:52, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You're no simpleton. There's either been no interst or conflicting views on what's to be done. I organized the Primates into 2 parallel category trees - one for groupings and one for taxa. I don'tthink I like either one, so I've been htinking about taking your approach and dumping them all into one big one - although I am thinking of just getting rid of the taxa-based categories. *shrugs* If our places were reversed, I might have decided that 95 is too many for one category and split them along the "big cetacea"/"small cetacea" (whales vs dolphins/porpoises), and left articles dealingwith both on the upper cetacean category. Primates are larger and more varied, and include us and the proto-humans... so there are a number of different places to tree-split. Pinnipeds, eh? Like those aquaticly adapted mammals, do ya? Try aquatic adaptation. *grins* Since the pinnipeds are a smaller group than cetaceans, I'd say go boldly and do as you've been doing. - UtherSRG 16:09, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I had been thinking about splitting the category - probably along the lines of "cetacea species"/"cetacea higher taxa"/"cetacea general articles", but the names just sounded a bit wordy, so decided to a) leave it and b) ask you - hence the above! I'll stick with what I've been doing. THanks. Pcb21| Pete 08:41, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Rollbacks[edit]

Why are you rolling back Guanabot's edits? Guan aco 18:48, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. - UtherSRG 18:49, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The category's deletion would obviously be controversial, so you should have waited for a consensus on CfD. Guan aco 18:55, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Not considering the previous dicussion on Category:Gay people. - UtherSRG 19:01, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Part of the reason for the deletion of that category is the fact that it was very incomplete. The list is considered acceptable, and this category is identical to the list. Guan aco 19:07, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

~~Could you use &bot=1 if you are going to make that many reverts please. Thanks.~~ Angela . 18:51, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)

No. I'm not using a bot. I'm doing it by hand from the bot's contribs page. - UtherSRG 18:52, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I know you're not. Read Wikipedia:Revert#bot rollback. If you add &bot=1 to the bot's contributions list (ie - Guanabot's contributions list) then click the rollback links and they will be hidden from recent changes. Angela . 19:00, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)

Ah! That I did not know. Thanks! I wil do that from now on. - UtherSRG 01:37, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I suggested this because I thought at the time that reverting a bot was non-controversial. Since this is now not the case, you should not be hiding it from recent changes. I'd suggest you not revert it at all until there is consensus on this at CfD. 300 reverts in a day is not acceptable. Angela . 02:17, Aug 15, 2004 (UTC)

I was a little surprise to see Guanabot adding this category after the POV category discussion on Wikipedia_talk:Categorization. -- Solipsist 18:58, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Please stop removing category tags without consensus. Reverting this is getting tiresome. Guan aco 23:33, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

So stop reverting me. The category is POV, as has been pointed out when it was Category:Gay people. See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion.

Please stop removing the category tags without consesus. I draw your attention to:

Dmn / Դմն 23:38, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Concensus existed when it was Category:Gay people. The creation of it as Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people was out of order. See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. - UtherSRG 01:37, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I see that I'm not the first to bring this up. Could you please have a look at my question to you on Talk:Federico García Lorca? -- Jmabel 23:50, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)

I object to the category. See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. - UtherSRG 01:37, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Protist categories[edit]

Hi, Uther. Based on a suggestion on talk:Amoebozoa, I've recreated Category:Protista, which I think matches your recommendations. Right now it only includes top-level groups and things that have been considered top-level groups.

Most of the remaining pages are on ciliates - all confirmed taxa, though someday we may want some obsolete groups like holotrichs. I think they should be in a separate category, but I'm not quite sure how it should work, and I thought I'd check with you first. I know the proposed standard is only a proposal, but this isn't worth invalidating it yet.

Also, there are a few pages that aren't about taxa but relate closely to them, and there are a number of taxon-specific images. Have we considered possibly adding categories for either? Images of a group, at any rate, seem to be harder to find than text but can often be more valuable.

Thanks, Josh 05:10, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

User:Hemanshu[edit]

Thanks, but it's funny, I was in the middle of writing him an icy but (I think) appropriate follow-up when I got your message. I'll post what I wrote here to see your reaction. I think the point needs to be really hit home—I just can't believe how thoughtless his series of edits were... He might as well have been a vandal for all the mess he created, and all I cleaned up were the articles I had some concept of...there's still more for others to sort through. Here goes, I'll wait to hear your response before I post anything further to his talk page. Postdlf 12:22, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I just finished a survey of your category edits and found a lot more redundant categories. These include:

I have moved all of the articles into the established categories, and all of your redundant categories have been deleted (hence the red links). I believe that your edits were well-intentioned, but this was quite a mess to clean up, and many of your editing choices simply appear careless—for example, creating Category:Cities in Andrews County, Texas when there is only one city in the county. Also, Category:Physical geography was obviously created by you for vale because it's the first defining term in the article, but simply clicking on physical geography would show you that its a mere redirect to geography, for which there is already a well populated Category:Geography. Please review the existing category structure before you create new ones on a topic, and it is also best to be familiar with the topics you are deciding to classify.

Hold off on posting it to him until you know he's read what you've already got on his talk page. You're dead on right, but he may not need the whack upside the head after your first two posts. - UtherSRG 13:43, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Category:Pinaceae[edit]

Hi Uther - I've done an experimental start on Category:Pinaceae, with the ultimate intention of categorising all the conifers by family (there's no very huge families). Not sure how much I like it though. Any suggestions to improve? - Thanks, MPF 22:03, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sea urchin[edit]

~~I don't understand why you removed a four-paragraph section from Sea urchin.~~

~~I don't understand why you removed a four-paragraph section from Sea urchin without giving any reason on Talk:Sea urchin~~

~~I don't understand why you removed a four-paragraph section from Sea urchin and flagged it as a minor edit.~~

Please explain on Talk:Sea urchin. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:27, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sensing some tenseness on your part, I have leapt in on SRG's behalf to solve this quickly. I think he simply made a honest mistake, see the talk page. Pcb21| Pete 00:16, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Apologies for my tone of voice. I was kind of shocked when I checked out the "minor" edit and saw that a whole section had been excised. I overreacted. No problem. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:59, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Let me say a bit more, just so both of you will know why I over-reacted to a simple mistake. (I'm self-diagnosing a mild case of Wikistress, BTW...) (However, a simple edit summary such as "category re Tree of Life project" or even just "category" would reduced my "tension.")

At one point, I did a fair amount of work on Sea urchin myself, so it's on my watchlist. I know nothing of paleontology. In late July I saw that very good on section on geological history had been added by Dlloyd. It was so good, in fact, that I thought it might be a copyvio. Dlloyd explained the circumstances and provided a suitable statement indicating that he was a) was the author and held the copyright, and b) was releasing it under GFDL. Great stuff.

I was shocked when the uncommented "minor edit" turned out to be the whole section, and was concerned about the possibility that a) someone hadn't carefully read the copyright/attribution/license stuff, or b) the possibility that it could actually have been some kind of vandalism. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 12:25, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You have rolled back a lot of the invertebrate information I spent a lot of time and effort adding. Please explain. Dlloyd 09:05, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Viral categories[edit]

Please take a look at Category:Dewey Decimal Classification and my posting of it on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion and let me know if you think it's as bad an idea as I do. Then, when you really feel like you have a lot of energy, check out the categories on Standard Occupational Classification System—I feel kinda overwhelmed just thinking about dealing with this. Postdlf 10:28, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Bivalves[edit]

Just wanted to say that I'm pleased that someone found my version of that article good enough to revert to it. Thanks. DS 17:57, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Peter O'Toole[edit]

Am I to take it you don't know of Peter O'Toole's drinking habit? The rest of the world seems to know... Actually, I see now the whole category has gone. Sigh, suppose I'll have to look into this. Would have been nice if someone would have told me about all this first... --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod » .....TALKQuietly)]] 20:51, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

Is there an archive of the CfD page? I can't find a link to one. I have no idea what the arguments for deleting the category were. --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod » .....TALKQuietly)]] 21:11, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

Actually, I've been reading through the other things listed for CfD and I think similar discussions have given me a pretty good idea what the reasons would have been. --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod » .....TALKQuietly)]] 22:35, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

Categories[edit]

Hi, can you address the points I'm making down the bottom of Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_deletion#Frustration_-_deletion_without_discussion? I'm also putting a call out on Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment because I don't feel category deletion (or creation! But that's less visible to me) is being handled so great at the moment. --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod » .....TALKQuietly)]] 02:06, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

Hi, did you have permission to upload images such Image:Zanzibar Red Colobus.jpg from [3]? Please could you add a copyright tag if you did. Thanks. Angela . 13:09, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

Acorn: request for admin assistance[edit]

Hi Uther - someone moved acorn to acorn (seed) and then made a disambig page out of acorn, including 3 other items which have acorn as part of their name (but not their full name). As all of the links pointing at acorn referred to oak seeds, not any of the other items, I've moved the disambig content to a new page acorn (disambiguation), but the wiki software only allows an admin person to move acorn (seed) back to acorn - could you do so, please? (also posting this to one or two other admin folk as well, in case you're not around at the moment) Thanks - MPF 09:29, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Jimfbleak has actioned it already - MPF 09:59, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

User:Hemanshu[edit]

By now I have posted two or three times on his talk page and have e-mailed him, yet he continues to create random categories, willy-nilly, in many cases recreating redundant ones that you had deleted the first time around. Please see my recent postings to Wikipedia:Categories for deletion to see the most recent messes. As long as he continues to blatantly ignore talk page messages, I don't know what else we can do to alter his conduct—this is getting beyond simple carelessness. How the hell can he not have seen the "You have new messages" notice? Is there any basis for maybe a temporary ban, in response to him continuing in this line of conduct in disregard of requests to stop? I need your help in figuring out a permanent solution. Thanks! Postdlf 14:58, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Edit attribution[edit]

Hi. Edits from your IP have now been reattributed to your username. Regards — Kate Turner | Talk 10:56, 2004 Sep 4 (UTC)

Could you please delete this?[edit]

Hey again, UtherSRG. I'm under the impression that I can't delete things from Wikipedia since I'm not an Admin or anything, so could you please delete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Banjo-Tooie_N64_Screenshot1.jpg ? I was going to add it to Banjo-Tooie, but I ended up not using it and I hate to waste space on Wikipedia's server. Tell me if any of my impressions/conclusions are faulty here. Thanks. --pie4all88 01:54, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Another question, while I'm at it (if you don't mind). How exactly do you find the number of contributions that you made? Right now I'm limited to guessing based on what I see in the 'my contributions' page. A concrete number would be really nice, though. Thanks--pie4all88 03:46, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Welcome back, UtherSRG! Can you please delete that Banjo-Tooie screenshot that I mentioned above? I asked about the number of contributions at Wikipedia's Help Desk, so you don't need to answer that question. Thanks!

Thanks, and done! - UtherSRG 00:35, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Another quick delete request, please[edit]

Hi Uther, could you delete Image:Tanoak.jpg please? My attempt to re-upload it minus some silly white margins didn't work, so I had to re-upload it with a new name (now at Image:TanoakLeaves.jpg). Thanks - MPF 21:54, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Done. - UtherSRG 15:02, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! - MPF 23:11, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Return from vacation[edit]

Since I've just returned from "vacation", I'm not sure what requests, comments, criticisms, complaints, kudos, and all other communications above need my attention. Hopefully, things have been taken care of and are all resolved. If not, please post another comment to attract my attention. - UtherSRG 15:07, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Galileo Galilei page protection[edit]

Welcome back! Say, could you do me a favor? Look at the history of Galileo Galilei, and note the poll on the talk page. The page might need protecting -- which would be a shame, since it's a featured article candidate. But there's a long, slow revert war going on and I can't protect it, since I'm involved in the discussion. Anyway, I leave it up to you as to what's the best thing to do. – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 04:10, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Done! - UtherSRG 20:17, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Please un-protect Galileo Galilei 4 days is too long over a "slow edit war". I've made an entry on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. -- Netoholic @ 05:41, 2004 Sep 26 (UTC)

New photo license requirements[edit]

Hi Uther - Two pics I uploaded apparently don't meet the new pic license requirements, could you delete these please: Image:Chrysolepis semp2.jpg Image:TanoakLeaves.jpg - thanks, MPF 20:21, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Done - UtherSRG 13:42, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

And an admin request
Could you move Chokecherries to Chokecherry, please? - seems a bit silly to have it as a plural title MPF 22:13, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Um, I'll do the move, but you'll want to fix up the taxobox.... - UtherSRG 13:42, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for both; will do on the box - 82.39.130.135 17:14, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Page blanking[edit]

Yeah I noticed both times now. Thanks for reverting! Any idea what the cause might be? Kim Bruning 16:00, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for catching my mistake. Tom - Talk 18:13, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Please forgive me. And in particular I agree with you and feel embarrassed for moving your first definition. It is definitely spiritual indeed. I will revert my recent post-editing. Tom - Talk 05:38, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wolf article[edit]

UtherSRG, you assume people will just know wolves have backbones and placentas? ;) – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 22:49, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)

Yes. I know. I'm cruel. *grins* - UtherSRG 01:57, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

More Wolf Stuff[edit]

Uther, I know you want what's best for Wiki, but I felt a little attacked there. Maybe (probably) I'm being overly sensitive, but in return for trying to do my part to make Wiki a little better, I got talked down to. It would have been much easier for both of us if you simply told me that we have a policy and tradition of not using sub- and super-, and not been abrupt and, well, a little rude.

Frankly (obviously) I'm not very good with confrontation, and I don't want any ongoing ill-feelings, so I want to cut this off as early as possible. Can we be more respectful to one another in the future? After all, isn't that the very minimum we deserve to one another? ClockworkTroll 23:53, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

One last thing - there is no consistent caps policy on common names (I've done my homework), and so long as the page is consistent the author may do as he wishes. Please stop reverting my caps on dire wolf. ClockworkTroll 00:07, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Despite my name, I'm the furthest thing from a troll :D (I've used the name from back in my MUD-ing days, way back when). I appreciate that you could reconsider me; all I really want is to be a contributing and accepted member of the Wiki community. ClockworkTroll 02:44, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

New ape species ?[edit]

I found on BBC the following article New giant ape found in DR Congo which may interest you. - JoJan

Thanks JoJan! Thats fascinating. Hrm.... The importance of this deserves at least a paragraph in another article. - UtherSRG 15:19, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Harry Potter apostrophes[edit]

I've re-reverted your change to Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban since the apostrophe changes by BKHal2007 were actually correct. Hope you don't mind too much. --Phil | Talk 07:04, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Pygmy Marmoset[edit]

Sorry, I was not aware of this anomality of the primates. Please feel free to move it back. At least I merged the version that existed in the lowercase version of the page. JFW | T@lk 16:33, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'm also an admin, but I was unaware of this trick to preserve the edit history. One keeps on learning. JFW | T@lk 16:46, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Request for blocking[edit]

Can you block unregistered user 64.5.138.239 for repeated vandalism on the page Meadow Foxtail. At the same time can you revert this page to the last good version and perhaps protect this page against new vandalism ? JoJan 18:21, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I've reverted the page and blocked the anon for 1 week. - UtherSRG 19:05, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Page move request[edit]

Hi Uther - could you move the gramatically incorrect Himalayas to the correct Himalaya, please? - Thanks, MPF 17:05, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Category:Genera[edit]

I guess that's a good point - but we'll see what CFD says. I put a {{cfd}} at the top of the category page, since you already listed it at WP:CFD. I was being bold; wasn't sure if it would fly. --Whosyourjudas (talk) 22:03, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sociedad Unitaria Universalista de España[edit]

This hasn't gotten any attention on WP:LO; can it be removed? Are there any other Wikipedians interested in UU issues who might want to work on it? JesseW 23:25, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ophrys[edit]

Could you take a good look at this article that I've written. Since some concepts are rather complex, and since I'm not a native English speaker, some rephrasing may be in order. Thanks. JoJan 14:54, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You did well. I made a few minor changes. I hope they preserve and illuminate the meaning. - UtherSRG 15:22, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Taxonomy[edit]

Thanks for the tip. I looked it up in a punctuation guide, but didn't realize it was different from Wiki policy. LMK if you see any other mistakes. Thanks --DanielCD 03:16, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

New Homo species ?[edit]

Henry Gee (Nature magazine) and prof. Chris Stringer (Natural History Museum, London) have announced to have found a new Homo- species, Homo floresiensis. The remains were found on the island of Flores (Indonesia). This species should have lived till 11,000 BC. But it was close to the Austrolopithecus who had vanished 3 million years ago. There was a report in my newspaper today, but there is nothing yet on the internet. This time, we can beat the rest of the internet and be the first to bring the news. If you cannot find anything about it in your newspaper, I can give you a synopsis, if necessary. JoJan 09:06, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Seems too late now - http://news.google.com/news?q=homo+floresiensis - Among it "Early humans looked like Hobbits" ...oh brother, what a headline! Nothing else to add, just had this page still on my watchlist. Femto 10:48, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yup. See Homo floresiensis. - UtherSRG 11:02, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Towns and Townships in New Jersey[edit]

Hello fellow DoD Contractor! (I work for an L-3 subsidary)

I was looking at some of your edits to some municipality pages in New Jersey, and I have some confusion. Further, as a Jersey boy, born and raised, I have spend some time trying to wrap my mind around how the NJ state laws and constitution define the types and forms of municipal government.

Hear me out on this...

Take Bloomfield, NJ, for example.

Bloomfield is classified as a Township (either in form or type of government), yet you put it into the 'town' category. I guess that depends on whether the category means 'town' in the generic sense or in the "official" or legal sense.

Now, I have been looking through the municipal categories for New Jersey, and a lot of townships are in the town category. So that got me thinking....

Since there is a lot of confusion concerning municipal government and New Jersey, not only here on Wikipedia but also in day-to-day life, maybe us Jersey folk can clean things up a bit? Maybe we can form a project? 500+ municipalities with 12 formas and 5 types of government in varying combinations?

If you wouldn't want to be involved, thats OK. I would just like to know how to start something like that.

P.S. How many Rutts Hutt rippers to you eat a week???

Later!

Roodog2k 19:23, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You're spot on, mate. I admit to running through all of the counties in a rather short time, so I've no doubt there are some mistakes. the category "town" should have all of the govenmental towns, "township" should have all the governmental townships, etc. I'd be willing to work on a project as you've described it, but I'm not able at this time to lead the effort. - UtherSRG 19:28, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

List of (famous) trees[edit]

Hi Uther - someone has moved List of famous trees to List of trees, which makes it look like a list of tree species, not a list of notable individual trees. Could you move it back, please? - Thanks, MPF 20:47, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Done! - UtherSRG 21:11, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! MPF 21:17, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Category deletions[edit]

Would you please be so kind as to give me some clue why you are deleting categories? I'm wondering why that would be necessary. ThanksPedant 01:07, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC) Thanks for the quick response, was not even aware there was a categories for deletion page, thank you.Pedant 01:12, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC)

Welcome template[edit]

When welcoming someone, {{subst:welcome}} should be used instead of {{welcome}}, otherwise the user might accidentally edit the template by the section editing link. Goplat 00:39, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Leaf[edit]

The last few days I have been working in this article. I think it is now optimal. Could you take a close look at it and rephrase where necessary. JoJan 19:14, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Category[edit]

Why did you decategorised all my voice samples? The category was not connected to any other public space categories and was merely an aid to help me improve the old .ogg files to new ones. Also, shouldn't you contact me first before you delete part of my User page? Also, you've changed part of my .ogg file license without notifying me. How should I treat that and should I revert at once or is there any reason behind that? --[[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 10:37, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

There was no {{cfd}} tag added to any of the pages or the talk pages nor I was notified of the cfd process, which is a violation of WP:CFD#How_to_use_this_page rule 4. I'm not saying that the category is needed, but it would definitely help me if the person who listed it on cfd obeyed the rules. Also, that would allow me to list all pages from the category on my user page. Now this is going to be a lot harder. I'm stil not sure should I revert all those deletions or not. [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 11:41, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry about that[edit]

My 12yr old stepson was supposed to have been studying, and apparently decided to edit as well (as I think you may have noticed ;). Thank you for cleaning up after him, since I didn't expect him to be editing, I didn't explain to him some basics, like not writing his name in articles, editing from a NPOV, etc... I don't plan on allowing him to edit any time in the near future, and if I do I will of course instruct him on some of the basics, and keep an eye on what he's doing. Thanks again, and I apologize for any inconvenience. Sam [Spade] 17:55, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've been nominated[edit]

I just wanted to drop you a quick note to say that I've been nominated for adminship. Since you've been unfortunate enough to have dealings with me, I thought you might want to see what was going on there: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ClockworkTroll.

Many thanks, ClockworkTroll 07:48, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my nomination. I wasn't sure what you would vote (if you decided to vote at all), so your vote is especially meaningful to me. Also, you may have read about the concern over my name, and having experienced the effects of such a name first-hand, I hope that you'll visit my Name the Admin Candidate Contest. Thanks again! ClockworkTroll 16:01, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

update taxobox format[edit]

Posted on User:ClockworkTroll

CT - I reverted your recent (revert) edit of Dire Wolf, because the ToL policy has changed. - UtherSRG 14:11, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Thanks for letting me know. ClockworkTroll 14:15, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Primate Classification[edit]

Hello UtherSRG. I'm user Bradypus from the German Wikipedia and I just saw you translated the baboon articles. I also somtimes check the English Wikipedia and found out you use a very different kind of primate classification (for instance giving the Aotus-monkeys family status under the name Nyctipithecidae) than we do. We have a rather "traditional" classification. What is your source? Regards,--80.108.59.151 07:23, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC) Bradypus (I don't know how to do this Interwiki signatures)

Hello UtherSRG. I really thought you speak a little bit German, because those Babelfish-translations are not very exact. (This is a useful dictionary which I often use, maybe it helps). I looked at the 5 baboon specieses and the Cercopithecinae. Please check my addendums, for I'm not a native speaker and word order, spelling and such things can be wrong. --80.108.59.151 20:04, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)(Bradypus)

Unitarian Universalism[edit]

Your recent edit of Unitarian Universalism contains an error. You removed an assertion from the beginning of the article (removed text is in red):

The Unitarian Universalist Service Committee is a related nonsectarian organization, started out of an effort to smuggle Jews and others targeted groups out of Nazi Germany, that works to promote social justice and human rights around the world.

In fact, the then "Unitarian Service Committee" and the Quaker Service Committee were the only major organizations helping targeted groups to flee Germany. The driving force behind this movement was Rev. Charles Joy and his wife Martha. They ran a sort of "underground railroad", using couriers and fake passports. You can read about him at [4]. If you don't have any objections, I'd like to change the sentence back. To avoid an edit war, I await your response. Thanks! -- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 03:04, 2004 Nov 24 (UTC)

Very cool! I hadn't heard this part about the UUSC's history. Thanks! :) - UU UtherSRG 03:44, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

A quick note to say thanks[edit]

I just wanted to drop you a quick note to thank you for your support in my request for adminship. It was certainly a wild ride, and I really appreciate you taking some time out to contribute. ClockworkSoul 16:11, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing[edit]

I've "started" the Free the Rambot Articles Project which aims to get users to release all of their contributions to the U.S. state, county, and city articles under the CC-by-sa 1.0 and 2.0 license (at minimum) or into the public domain if they prefer. A secondary goal is to get those users to release ALL of their edits for ALL articles. I've personally chosen to multi-license all of the rambot and Ram-Man contributions under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike License so that other projects, such as WikiTravel, can use our articles. I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all your contributions (or at minimum those on the geographic articles) so that we can keep most of the articles available under the multi-license. Many users use the {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} template (or even {{MultiLicensePD}} for public domain) on their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I understand, but I thought I'd at least ask, just in case, since the number of your edits is in the top 50 most. If you do want to do it, simply just copy and paste one of the above two templates into your user page and it will allow us to track those users who have done it. For example:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain (which many people do or don't like to do, see Wikipedia:Multi-licensing), you could replace {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} with {{MultiLicensePD}} -- Ram-Man 16:14, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

Why are you insisting on trimming my taxoboxes after all this time? Leave them alone, I've almost finished anthocharis and then you come along and dummy it down. I don't know maybe I should give up wikipedia altogether it's pretty obvious that everything I do is going to be interfered with.Williamb 22:38, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The standard is not to list every single intermediary taxon. WP:TOL (or the taxobox subpage) lays this out clearly. - UtherSRG 22:43, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for helping clean up Wiki Syntax[edit]

Just a quick note to say thank you for all your help with fixing Wiki Syntax (like the redirects you fixed). All the best, -- Nickj 05:24, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Lituites[edit]

Hey, added another extinct cephalopod article -- Lituites. Thought you might like to peek. I'm also adding some taxoboxes in Baculites and Hamites and some others. Also new are Rayonnoceras and Hyponome. --DanielCD 21:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Great! You can go to WP:CEPH and list them on the "recently added" subpage. - UtherSRG 16:20, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Humungous Image Tagging Project[edit]

Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! Come to NYC... +sj + (who has a -UtherSRG filter on his list-reading glasses :)

Species Name Author[edit]

You seem to be much better than me at finding the authors for species names. What's your source(s)? Also, I have a few more specific questions on Talk:Wied's Marmoset and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Primates. Thanks, -KalevTait 01:57, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've answered you on both of those places. In brief (for others reading here) I use IUCN Red List for authority and conservation status. - UtherSRG 03:05, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Current sports events[edit]

Hey, umm, any particular reason you moved the first two weeks of December and the talk page (which explicitly says not to move it) to November 2004 in sport? Jonpin 01:01, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Golden pea[edit]

I had moved that page to Aotus (genus) specifically because of a problem with common names, the term golden pea is used to describe all the genus in that legumes tribe, because thay all have yellow folwers --nixie 01:57, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ah! Ok, well since there are two Aotus genera, that wasn't really the best choice. I've now moved it to Aotus (pea), and pointed Aotus (genus) to Aotus, which is the disambiguation. - UtherSRG 02:29, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks --nixie 02:31, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Common names[edit]

Ave! Do you object if, since the majority of fish articles seem to be under lowercase names, I move the exceptions to conform with the rest? If a consensus is reached that fish taxa must be capitalized, we can move them all together... but in the meantime, the inconsistency is bugging me. (I have no interest in a move war, so I'm asking before I undo any of your moves...) —Tkinias 02:33, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I suppose not. I was hoping that folks would rally behind the idea of moving everything to upper case naming. Now that fishes is covered by a WikiProject, the Project should decide. And as I know from starting WP:PRIM and WP:CEPH, the person who starts a project tends to be the voice and soul of the project for awhile. So be bold and move them articles! (Ave?) - UtherSRG 02:45, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

OK, cool. (Ave == Latin greeting... Maybe too many sytematic names for me... *grin*) —Tkinias 23:38, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Taxoboxes[edit]

No worries, you just didn't say anything about the demo one I posted... ed g2s • talk 03:36, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bonobo[edit]

What's wrong with it? ed g2s • talk 04:29, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC) Hrm. It fixed when I added a hard return before Taxobox_end. Now I'm wondering what was up with that. I'm checking other articles to see. - UtherSRG 04:30, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That would seem to be it, bad implementations sadly. ed g2s • talk 04:39, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Style[edit]

File:Taxobox printscreen1.png

taxobox printscreen

The colouring and the padding is all part of the class="toccolours" which is the inhouse styling. ed g2s • talk 15:18, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Class="toccolours" is part of the monobook.css skin. All the new infoboxes and navigation boxes are being made with class="toccolours" as this is the per skin styling. Users can choose their own skin or edit it manually by editing user:username/monobook.css. We shouldn't be inflicting arbitrary fixed styles upon people by making the border black. ed g2s • talk 15:35, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The name of toc is purely historical. It's better that the table fits in with the rest of the skin than being assigned some arbitrary styling based on the whims of whoever happens to be editing the page. If we went along this lines, Wikipedia would become a stylistic mess. ed g2s • talk 15:48, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Stacey - thanks; is this how you're getting the taxoboxes though now, yellow-green right & lower border, and palest grey left & top border?

And any ideas on how to get rid of the white fringe at the top & sides of the pic? - MPF 17:27, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The whole point of having a fixed style is that it is fixed. If we let every wikiproject dictate what styling their infoboxes they should the wikipedia would be a mess (and in a lot of cases, it still is). The TOL project should decide on things relating to classification and naming conventions, not styling of infoboxes. ed g2s • talk 17:32, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

toccolours uses the same border colour as all the other table borders in the skin. The whole point of having a skin is to have a consistent style throughout the site. If I want, I could write a skin that makes all the borders pink, it's up to ther user, but if you start using "border-color: black;" then it becomes arbitrarily fixed based on some non-convention. ed g2s • talk 17:39, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Your argument is invalid. TOL decides more than just data. You wouldn't allow the animal taxobox to be pink in one stylesheet and green in another would you? The box border divides the box from the article. Having the border color/style change from skin to skin would change the timber of the colors in the box. An improvement would be either a TOLcolours class, or a class for each of the taxobox colors used, or some such system (dunno since I don't modify style sheets) so that there is a reasonable presentation across all of the skins in a manner that conforms to the skin without impinging on the presentation of the data. - UtherSRG 17:48, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Furthermore, if it really were the standard for all tables then it wouldn't need a class. It's the standard for tables of contents and anything people choose to make similar to a TOC. Taxoboxes are not tables of contents. They are a tables of taxonomic data and imagery. I'm sure there are other types of tables using various different styles. And if there aren't, there should be. - UtherSRG 17:55, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Not quite, it's an infobox, not a table (even if it uses the same HTML elements). Perhaps there should be a class="infobox" but no-one has seen a need for it as class="toccolours" is used instead. The wikiproject decides on data etc., the background colour of the headers is data as it tells us something about the speices, therefore is not determined by the stylsheet. If someone chooses pale pink as the border colour for their skin, and this merges with the background colour then that's up to them. ed g2s • talk 18:07, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Note also that the tight-fit image looks quite awful when the image is narrower than the text. ed g2s • talk 18:07, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Formatting issues such as font size, blank space and color are issues for the Wikipedia site-wide style sheet and should not be dealt with in articles except in special cases." from Wikipedia:Style guide.

I would consider an entire WikiProject to be a special case. - UtherSRG 18:34, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

An entire WikiProject is a very general case, quite the opposite of special cases, where custom formatting is absolutely required for the information to display properly. ed g2s • talk 19:07, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

policy[edit]

It is entirely inapproriate for a sysop to (a) protect a page when (s)he is invovled in the dispute (b) revert the 'their' version before doing so (c) well I'm a sysop anyone so I'm only going to unprotect it for improper behaviour. ed g2s • talk 18:57, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It's less appropriate for two admins to continually reverting each other. It makes more sense to revert it to the style (in this case) before any of the edits, which happens to be mine. I'd make the same decision had it been me who had brought the change in. Leave it at the old style until this is hashed out in the public forum. - UtherSRG 19:11, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

When I said inapproriate, I meant completely against policy: "Admins should not protect pages which they have been involved with (involvement includes making substantive edits to the page or expressing opinions about the article on the talk page). Admin powers are not editor privileges - admins should only act as servants to the user community at large. If you are an admin and you want a page in an edit war in which you are somehow involved to be protected, you should contact another admin and ask them to protect the page for you. In addition, admins should avoid favoring one version of the article over another, unless one version is vandalism. In this case, the protecting sysop may choose to protect the non-vandalism version." Don't do it again. ed g2s • talk 20:10, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware of the policy. The policy is written so that an admin can't use their power over a non-admin editor. I knew you were an admin so I wasn't using it as a mechanism to stop you from editting, but as way to get us to end the edit war. As you know, edit wars are also against policy and are grounds for edit banning. I didn't want either of us to get edit banned. - UtherSRG 21:08, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Edit wars are subject to the three revert rule, you can interpret the purpose of the above policy however you want, but you still voilated it. There are no exceptions, so please respect the rule. ed g2s • talk 22:38, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Page moves[edit]

Hi - many thanks for dealing with some of the page moves on WP:RM. One teensy request: if there is a substantial discussion, or the move is likely to be controversial, please would you copy the discussion from WP:RM to the talk page of the final resting place of the article. This should help if the move causes any trouble (and particularly if someone subsequently objects) or the topic of a move comes up again. Thanks. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:32, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Can do! - UtherSRG 21:35, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Yeti[edit]

Hi there - I added the see also links back to this, I hope you don't mind - I think there is a value in having these systematically organized at the end of the article, and it brings it in line with other similar article - please let me know if you disagree, Thanks, The Recycling Troll 23:54, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I disagree, as I've stated on your talk page. - UtherSRG 00:57, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

Dan fink[edit]

Hey Uther! Do you think you could handle this page some newbie put up? I don't have much spare time at the moment or else I'd do it myself...it's finals week and I'm way too busy. Anyways, I wanted to point this out so we could possibly teach this person something (like many young people, he probably thinks that no one would know if he put up any old article). Thanks! --pie4all88 00:49, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Never mind; it looks like the article was hit with speedy deletion. --pie4all88 00:56, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I left a note on the user page anyway. - UtherSRG 00:59, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

User:169.244.70.148[edit]

As mentioned on the talk page of 169.244.70.148 that IP address seems to be "the entire Maine State Library Network, covering the internet connections of most Maine elementary, junior-high, and high schools". We should consider very carefully before we have them permanently blocked. Remember that we also block users with logins editing from that IP address. Thue | talk 20:56, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If they continue to vandalize, what other avenues for preventing vandalism do we have? You unblocked it yesterday, and someone using that IP did some vandalism today. - UtherSRG 21:44, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

There are no other alternatives that I am aware of. Thue | talk 21:48, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

On second thought, there is a section at WP:VIP for IP adresses that should be watched. A part of me wants to leave it banned; I have the impression public libraries and schools have a very low signal/noise ratio for wikipedia edits, but I also don't feel it is my decision to make. Thue | talk 04:23, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Marbled Cat[edit]

I had no business creating this stub (it was a glaring red link at Felidae), but would you check to see it's acceptable? --Wetman 11:22, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think you did quite fine. Looks like you had every business to be making it. *grins* User:JoJan and I made a few changes, but it's a fine article. - UtherSRG 12:56, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)