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Hello Hyacinth! As you can see, I am new and I have no idea what I am doing. Do I answer you here? Thank you for the tutorial information. Sansevieria4 (talk) 21:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Dorothy Lawson[edit]
WP:NMUSIC is quite clear that a musician whose notability derives from being a member of a band (or string quartet, or whatever else) rather than for solo work is not entitled to her own separate article just because she exists; rather, until you can add proper reliable sources to demonstrate that she's notable for something independently of the ensemble's notability, then she only gets a redirect to the group, not a standalone article. (And that applies to Mary Rowell as well; the difference between them and the other two members is that the other articles actually cite real references.)
And incidentally, Wikipedia also has an absolute, inviolable policy against unsourced articles about living people. So until you can add real reliable sources to demonstrate that Lawson and Rowell meet our notability rules in their own rights, then no, the articles aren't entitled to be kept in an unreferenced form — and if you can actually add such references, then it's not necessary for me to revert the redirects in advance anyway, because they can always be replaced at any time with legitimate, referenced articles. If there are real references available, then by all means you can recreate the articles with those references in place — but until those references are actually present, they have to remain as redirects. Bearcat (talk) 18:19, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- Generally, if you need time to build an article up to Wikipedia standards (i.e. hunting down sources, etc.), then the best approach is to start the page in your own userspace (e.g. User:Sansevieria4/Dorothy Lawson) so that you can work on it at your convenience, without worrying about whether it'll get deleted or redirected on you — and when you've got a decent article fully ready for publication, then it can be moved into article space. If you start it in mainspace without references or a proper claim of notability present in the article right off the bat, however, then we can't let it stand just because it might eventually get improved — especially when it's a biography of a living person, because we've had a lot of problems with those types of articles in the past, so our rules around those are really, really strict. So that's what I would recommend: work on the article at the link I created for you above — and then when it's ready for publication, you can copy and paste it into the actual Dorothy Lawson link.
- The one thing you need to know about draft pages in your own userspace is that unlike real articles they shouldn't be categorized; you can add the relevant category links behind comment tags <!-- like this --> so that they're hidden in the meantime, and then remove the comment tags when you move the article into mainspace, or just leave the category links off the page and then add them for the first time when the page gets moved.)
- As for user talk pages, some people prefer that you keep the discussion on your page, others prefer that you keep it on theirs, and others prefer the back and forth. There's no hard and fast rule about that beyond paying attention to the preferences that people actually express at the top of their talk pages.
- Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat (talk) 22:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- There's already a category for Category:Electroacoustic music composers. As for the musical groups one, the issue to be aware of is that it's not normally useful to create a category for just one entry — if you know of additional groups that can be added to it, then I can help you create the category, but if there's just the one then it might not be a useful category for us to have yet. Bearcat (talk) 20:20, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]
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- Re: your comment on my Talk page. I'm not aware of a time limit for improving and re-submitting your article. I take your point about the existing article about the porn star, Nina Roberts. I'm not entirely sure she is notable enough to have an article about her anyway - maybe someone will do something about this in the near future! Sionk (talk) 23:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Ethel (string quartet)[edit]
Hi, I'm concerned about your history of edits to Ethel (string quartet). You've added a ton of external links to reviews, which will be removed sooner or later, per WP:EL. Among other things it turns the article into a promotional vehicle, and raises questions about your neutrality. Perhaps you can undo much of this, preserving legitimate cites and references. If not I'll probably request input from other objective editors. Thank you, 99.156.68.118 (talk) 15:51, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, Thank you for the link to the guide for external links. I have just been following what I have seen on other Wikipedia pages, not really knowing what the rules are. I would absolutely welcome an editor to come on board. This article needs much work and I am learning as I go. I think I am slowly getting better but this site is not easy to figure out for a casual user. For example, how do you expand the article from a stub? I was hoping that adding citations/links would do it.
- Since you've been editing for a year, with a primary interest in this and related articles, I'd suggest it's time to read Wikipedia guidelines re: sources. I've asked for a second opinion here [1], and Bearcat removed the external links to reviews. I can't imagine what article you've found that was similarly laden with external links, which are not the same as citations--in this case they take on a promotional tone. Also Imdb is not considered a reliable source. This is not a bad example to view, though it, too, could use further inline cites to support content [2]. Please only add content that can be reliably sourced, per WP:RELIABLE, and avoid adding external links to the body of an article, per WP:EL. Finally, if you are connected to the subject, please read WP:COI; we're not prohibited from writing about entities with which we're associated, but great discretion is necessary. 99.156.68.118 (talk) 17:48, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I am trying my best to do the right thing here. I am a little concerned about the citation that you just flagged. I assumed the reason citation was needed was to document that the members of the group are also composers. It is common knowledge that they perform music by contemporary composers such as those listed. This can be seen on any of the groups album liner notes and in just about every article written about them. Take a look at the recordings listed at the bottom of the article. Do you want me to add a citation to every composers name? I can do it but it is seems kind of clunky. It is also common knowledge that the learning curve for Wikipedia is kind of steep[1] so maybe you could cut me a little slack and perhaps be less cranky with me. I should also add that I didn't write most of this article and I have been trying to add citations. My apologies if I went about it incorrectly. The whole thing is out if date, missing chunks of information, etc. I have tried to make improvements where I can but because I did not feel I was up to the task of a total re-write, I have just tried to make small improvements where I can.
- Yeah, the addition of tags to the individual names seems a bit much, but it was an understandable response to your addition of a cite that did not cover the content of the previous sentence, only half of it. As for the learning curve, that's understood, but I know from experience that the curve is often slowed by conflict of interest. No intent to be cranky; please do add cites that confirm the article's content. 99.156.68.118 (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Would you rather that I move the citation to just after "original music" in the middle of the sentence? That is the only part of the sentence that I assumed was flagged for citation since the composers are covered in the discography list below and are common knowledge. I think you are maybe looking to nitpick. Again, I did not write the bulk of the article and it has been without citation for a number of years. Look at the history. I have recently been trying to add cites that confirm the article's content. As I mentioned above. The article is listed as a stub and I thought that adding citations would correct that. I just didn't realize that the addition of external links were inappropriate and I saw other people doing it. I saw the links as further citations/data. I don't think that amounts to conflict of interest. There are a dozens of articles that I would love to launch but because of exhausting encounters such as this, I usually just walk away. So, are you just going to leave your citation flags there? It looks kind of silly. I think the sentence after that, which used to have a video link, is now in greater need of citation than the list of composers. Honestly, I have now spent way more time than I ever intended on this. You are discouraging people from contributing to Wikipedia.
- I've removed the cite tags, as well as the stub templates, which don't apply anymore. I'm not discouraging anyone from contributing here--all positive contributions are welcome, but it's not inappropriate to remind all contributors to read basic guidelines before editing; I've been diplomatic re: the deluge of external links you added. Good luck and good editing. 99.156.68.118 (talk) 22:55, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Would you rather that I move the citation to just after "original music" in the middle of the sentence? That is the only part of the sentence that I assumed was flagged for citation since the composers are covered in the discography list below and are common knowledge. I think you are maybe looking to nitpick. Again, I did not write the bulk of the article and it has been without citation for a number of years. Look at the history. I have recently been trying to add cites that confirm the article's content. As I mentioned above. The article is listed as a stub and I thought that adding citations would correct that. I just didn't realize that the addition of external links were inappropriate and I saw other people doing it. I saw the links as further citations/data. I don't think that amounts to conflict of interest. There are a dozens of articles that I would love to launch but because of exhausting encounters such as this, I usually just walk away. So, are you just going to leave your citation flags there? It looks kind of silly. I think the sentence after that, which used to have a video link, is now in greater need of citation than the list of composers. Honestly, I have now spent way more time than I ever intended on this. You are discouraging people from contributing to Wikipedia.
- Yeah, the addition of tags to the individual names seems a bit much, but it was an understandable response to your addition of a cite that did not cover the content of the previous sentence, only half of it. As for the learning curve, that's understood, but I know from experience that the curve is often slowed by conflict of interest. No intent to be cranky; please do add cites that confirm the article's content. 99.156.68.118 (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I am trying my best to do the right thing here. I am a little concerned about the citation that you just flagged. I assumed the reason citation was needed was to document that the members of the group are also composers. It is common knowledge that they perform music by contemporary composers such as those listed. This can be seen on any of the groups album liner notes and in just about every article written about them. Take a look at the recordings listed at the bottom of the article. Do you want me to add a citation to every composers name? I can do it but it is seems kind of clunky. It is also common knowledge that the learning curve for Wikipedia is kind of steep[1] so maybe you could cut me a little slack and perhaps be less cranky with me. I should also add that I didn't write most of this article and I have been trying to add citations. My apologies if I went about it incorrectly. The whole thing is out if date, missing chunks of information, etc. I have tried to make improvements where I can but because I did not feel I was up to the task of a total re-write, I have just tried to make small improvements where I can.
- Since you've been editing for a year, with a primary interest in this and related articles, I'd suggest it's time to read Wikipedia guidelines re: sources. I've asked for a second opinion here [1], and Bearcat removed the external links to reviews. I can't imagine what article you've found that was similarly laden with external links, which are not the same as citations--in this case they take on a promotional tone. Also Imdb is not considered a reliable source. This is not a bad example to view, though it, too, could use further inline cites to support content [2]. Please only add content that can be reliably sourced, per WP:RELIABLE, and avoid adding external links to the body of an article, per WP:EL. Finally, if you are connected to the subject, please read WP:COI; we're not prohibited from writing about entities with which we're associated, but great discretion is necessary. 99.156.68.118 (talk) 17:48, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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